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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: pedroMV6 on 31 July 2010, 07:09:31
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Looks like the MV6 will have to go at some point soon. :'(
To replace it, I need a decent estate, probably turbodiesel and thought along the lines of Vectra C 1.9 150bhp - but what other alternatives under 5 years old?
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300C crysler maybe or bmw 3 or 5 touring
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much as i hate to say it, has to be a bmw 530d or a merc e270cdi? both fine cars and frugal,
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much as i hate to say it, has to be a bmw 530d or a merc e270cdi? both fine cars and frugal,
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That's the key word G!
Plus I'm finding that I'm having to start spending on the car for a bit here, some work there...........
To be brutally honest, what it costs me to run the Omega, I could get a 3 year old Vectra on a 3 year PCP and fuel it! Bearing in mind it's mainly only to get to and from work, the odd gig full of drumkit, I think the PCP is a great idea!
BMW mentioned on The Darkside, but the Merc might be interesting.
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If fuel costs are the only problem, then LPG fixes that.
E39 is a good car, but don't think they are fault free, diesel injector system is very complex with filters and pumps all over the place, and multi link suspension can be a mare to diagnose. Chipping autos can still fry the box. An over engineered car with ott problems as a result, but all fixable, if you have time.
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A F/L Signum must be in there somewhere? :-/
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A F/L Signum must be in there somewhere? :-/
Not auto, apparently. Asin Warner boxes poor,as fitted to in laws Volvo c70 as it happens, failed.
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A F/L Signum must be in there somewhere? :-/
Not auto, apparently. Asin Warner boxes poor,as fitted to in laws Volvo c70 as it happens, failed.
Front wheel drive auto seems to be no no generally? :-/
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A F/L Signum must be in there somewhere? :-/
Not auto, apparently. Asin Warner boxes poor,as fitted to in laws Volvo c70 as it happens, failed.
Front wheel drive auto seems to be no no generally? :-/
Plus its based on Vectra C, which is a bad start
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LPG in this Omega is not on for me - effectively, it won't add much value to the car, even though it's an expensive addition.
I do see the overall value in that though.
Also, I bought an estate for it's load carrying capacity - a hoofin' great LPG tank reduces it to useless for me.
I don't care whether RWD, FWD 4WD as it's a daily driver - I have my Carlton for fun!
How many people really appreciate RWD on here for most of their daily driving? Not many, I bet.
Also, it doesn't matter what make or model of car, it's gonna have problems somewhere along the line - fact!
So really, the requirements are - good economy, good load space, more reliability than a high-mileage Omega V6, under £5K and under 5 years old. :y
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LPG in this Omega is not on for me - effectively, it won't add much value to the car, even though it's an expensive addition.
I do see the overall value in that though.
Also, I bought an estate for it's load carrying capacity - a hoofin' great LPG tank reduces it to useless for me.
I don't care whether RWD, FWD 4WD as it's a daily driver - I have my Carlton for fun!
How many people really appreciate RWD on here for most of their daily driving? Not many, I bet.
Also, it doesn't matter what make or model of car, it's gonna have problems somewhere along the line - fact!
So really, the requirements are - good economy, good load space, more reliability than a high-mileage Omega V6, under £5K and under 5 years old. :y
Thing is you already have the right car, it's going to be hard to replace for less money' or even for a fair bit more money. That's why we are all here surely?
LPG tank goes in the spare wheel well btw.
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LPG in this Omega is not on for me - effectively, it won't add much value to the car, even though it's an expensive addition.
I do see the overall value in that though.
Also, I bought an estate for it's load carrying capacity - a hoofin' great LPG tank reduces it to useless for me.
I don't care whether RWD, FWD 4WD as it's a daily driver - I have my Carlton for fun!
How many people really appreciate RWD on here for most of their daily driving? Not many, I bet.
Also, it doesn't matter what make or model of car, it's gonna have problems somewhere along the line - fact!
So really, the requirements are - good economy, good load space, more reliability than a high-mileage Omega V6, under £5K and under 5 years old. :y
Can get Donut tank, be it at reduced range (approx 200 miles) takes spare wheel well, but practically is kept.
I like RWD every day, not just for corning, but monumentality thanks to no drive around the front wheels, its easier to park that a fiesta, also smooth ride as FWD are much stiffer at the front.
I'd consider a 2.8V6 Saab Aero, but BMW 530d is still almost top of the list
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A F/L Signum must be in there somewhere? :-/
Not auto, apparently. Asin Warner boxes poor,as fitted to in laws Volvo c70 as it happens, failed.
Yes that was discussed a while back (can't find the link at the moment) but I seem to remember Marks DTM saying that the problem had been largely addressed on the F/L by keeping an eye on a filter or radiator :-/ :-/
It's here in reply 7;
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1279145819/4#4
Although if Ped's spend tops out at 5K he might find it difficult to find a F/L anyway.
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No pint in spending a shedload on an LPG kit.Car's too old with too many miles IMHO.
Signum no good, too small!
Mate has one, with the fridge between the rear seats - very, very nice car (rear seats slide forwards and rearwards, lots of storage, etc) but wouldn't get me drumkit in, and it is a rather large (9 piece plus hardware) kit.
I'm looking at an F/L Vectra C estate in the next few days. :y
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A friend of mine has one of those CDi 150bhp Estate Vectra thingy's, tbh its quiet a nice drive, less load space but seems to be deeper, talking of load space if your not that bothered then I wouldn't rule out a diesel Audi or VW Estate.
Buget permitting Id also look at Saab or even a Merc.
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SAAB 93 estate :y
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SAAB 93 estate :y
Overpriced and over my budget dude!
Is there a diesel variant?
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There are about ooh, roughly 1 million saabs on auto trader for under 5k, although possibly not under 5years old.
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There are about ooh, roughly 1 million saabs on auto trader for under 5k, although possibly not under 5years old.
Not within 200 miles of me, and certainly not under 5K - over 21K maybe, and then only 5 cars.
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/saab/9-3x/postcode/yo265lh/radius/200/sort/priceasc/fuel-type/diesel
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SAAB 93 estate :y
Overpriced and over my budget dude!
Is there a diesel variant?
Of course.... what manufacture would not make a diesel estate? :-?
Its the same 1.9 engine as in Vectra, same chassis too....
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SAAB 93 estate :y
Overpriced and over my budget dude!
Is there a diesel variant?
Bit with a 60% different setup and passive rear wheel steering, so it handles very nice :y
Of course.... what manufacture would not make a diesel estate? :-?
Its the same 1.9 engine as in Vectra, same chassis too....
But a 60% different suspension setup, and passive rear wheel steering :y Handle very nicely, and the sports leather seats are fantastic. I've got some pictures of my old one inside if you want a look :y
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Pete
If your a rock drummer shouldn't be smoking around in an old beat up 190 twin wheel transit
i bet "Zeplin" or "The Who" never had an estate car, transit van all the way ;D
But if your are looking at a Vectra keep an ear out for the DMF rattle, it a days work plus parts
Cheers
Andy
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Cheers Andy - I'll keep the DMF in mind mate.
I bet rock drummers from years ago now get driven anyway! I'm all done with draughty old Transits - if the band wants one, the band can buy one! :y
Reasons for Vec C 1.9 [150] CDTi estate:
Similar size to Omega inside.
Sips fuel (average 50+mpg on Urban Cycle I beleive) where Omega glugs it like there's no tomorrow and to Hell with the consequences.
Group 11 insurance - Omega is Group 16E.
Good sounds - important to me being in a car for 2+ hours a day.
Ergo, it does what I need it to do and costs as much to buy and put fuel in for the first year as it does to run and maintain the Omega.......assuming a lower mileage car needs less looking after.
Plus, Audi, Merc, BMW, Saab, Volvo yada yada are costlier to insure compared to the Vectra.
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ran a vectra c cdti 150 for 6 months/32k, mixed journeys of short town runs and longer motorway blasts. had a few issues:
1. overall mpg was less than 37 :-/
2. needed inlet manifold and egr valve replacing at 15k, as sooted up.
3. rear callipers seized on both sides, cooking rear bearings. pish design cheap to make... :-X
4. handbrake was intermittant. (see above).
5. never idled properly, whether hot or cold.
6. was booked in for another egr valve and inlet manifold as sooted up again when i put out of its misery permenantly >:(
the only vectra cs that have proven themselves have been 1.8 petrols, 65k in 15 months, only ever needed oil/filters, tyres, brake pads and drop links. :) only downside is 30mpg. :-/ though that is still 7mpg better than my mig :)
p.s. 2.2 petrols have fuel pump issues. they hate cheap fuel, and as most people fill up when they go shopping, you will at some point be looking at a new fuel pump. these have more in common with modern diesel fuel pumps than say a mig one. :(
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Got to say, I would recommend the Vectra 1.9 CDTi 16v (150BHP).
I have had 3 Vectra's now, the last one being the above. Very reliable for me. Comfortable, eats motorways and gets 700 miles plus on the motorway @ 55MPG. I get mid 42-4 MPG for daily driving and I do have a bit of an ahem... heavy foot. Check the EGR valve has been cleaned in it's life and expect it to let you down at somepoint. They are also prone to snapped front springs due to the wieght of the engine. I have had both of these, but put the car on Eibach springs (cheaper than stock too). However, over over 3 years with the 150, that is all I had.
Engine is very quick and smooth standard but if you like a bit of speed a Re-map (which I have ;) with the EGR looped out)will set you back £480 ish but makes the car a monster.
The estates are HUGE.
Can't see how you could easily beat them for value TBH. Although I would avoid the 1.8 vvTi like the plague, I told Arnold Clark if they didn't take it back I would set fire to it on their forecourt (sorry taxi al). I love mine and will not be parting with it any time soon.
Anyway, there's my tuppence worth.
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Got to say, I would recommend the Vectra 1.9 CDTi 16v (150BHP).
I have had 3 Vectra's now, the last one being the above. Very reliable for me. Comfortable, eats motorways and gets 700 miles plus on the motorway @ 55MPG. I get mid 42-4 MPG for daily driving and I do have a bit of an ahem... heavy foot. Check the EGR valve has been cleaned in it's life and expect it to let you down at somepoint. They are also prone to snapped front springs due to the wieght of the engine. I have had both of these, but put the car on Eibach springs (cheaper than stock too). However, over over 3 years with the 150, that is all I had.
Engine is very quick and smooth standard but if you like a bit of speed a Re-map (which I have ;) with the EGR looped out)will set you back £480 ish but makes the car a monster.
The estates are HUGE.
Can't see how you could easily beat them for value TBH. Although I would avoid the 1.8 vvTi like the plague, I told Arnold Clark if they didn't take it back I would set fire to it on their forecourt (sorry taxi al). I love mine and will not be parting with it any time soon.
Anyway, there's my tuppence worth.
Sounds OK to me - all cars have issues somewhere along the line - not heard about the springs on a 1.9 though, just my mate's 3.0.
Supposed to be looking at one in Bradistan Bradford this week, but the seller (on ebay) doesn't pick the damn phone up or answer emails yet. ::)
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we pays our money,... ::)
toyota avensis worth a look too perhaps. new one has been out a while, so older ones much better value. :)
happy hunting, then keep the mig. :y unless you use it as a taxi and your licensing officer is related to ours :-/
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Right - made me mid up.
staying with Vauxhall (although the engine is by FART) and fancy a Vectra C estate 1.9 120, bu tseen this on the bay of E
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170429317005&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_1977wt_958
Opinions on what other (I can guess the obvious ones!) damage a flood could have done would b cool, thanks! :y
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have a look at a skoda octavia estate
big boot
2 ltr diesel kicks out 140 bhp and a good drive
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have a look at a skoda octavia estate
big boot
2 ltr diesel kicks out 140 bhp and a good drive
Erm, no ta!
Interior plastics are shite!
Boring interior and nowhere near big enough for me drumkit dude!
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.... and nowhere near big enough for me drumkit dude!
That's the Chrysler 300c out too then ;) ;) ;) ;D
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.... and nowhere near big enough for me drumkit dude!
That's the Chrysler 300c out too then ;) ;) ;) ;D
Good looking car, but I couldn't live with one!
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I've also been looking for an Estate replacement, (not required yet), and the BMW 5 series and Saab 93 are too small in the cabin, (I'm 6'4") plus boot size is tight, the only ones that I've seen big enough are the Mondeo and E class estates.
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Old shape accord? Just a thought.
Like the new shape one a lot, but the gap between suspension turrets in the rear really let's it down. :(
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All thing considered, I'm 99% sure I'll be after a 1.9 CDTi Vectra C estate, just depends on when - the 120 is only insurance group 10, the 150 is insurance group 11, but the 150 is a lot more powerful. Both my Omegas are group 16E.
Obviously, this will mean the MV6 will be up for sale (and yes, it does pain me to say, but economics are forcing this!), but that's another thread yet to be started in the appropriate section.
I'll still have the Omega truck so you can't get rid of me that easily! ;D
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How big's your drumkit?! I used to gig with my brother who used to get his kit (single kick, 3xtoms, snare and a few cymbals + all the hardware & stool) into a fiesta! Guessing you must be playing harder rock and have two kick drums to cram in?
I had a hire car once when I was due to get to a gig - the guy didn't understand why the first thing I wanted to know was 'how big is the boot?' - I've got to get a double bass into it!' ;)
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I've also been looking for an Estate replacement, (not required yet), and the BMW 5 series and Saab 93 are too small in the cabin, (I'm 6'4") plus boot size is tight, the only ones that I've seen big enough are the Mondeo and E class estates.
Small :o
Steer clear of that Vectra on eBay way overpriced. I'll have an ask around a few mates they may have something kicking around :y
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How big's your drumkit?! I used to gig with my brother who used to get his kit (single kick, 3xtoms, snare and a few cymbals + all the hardware & stool) into a fiesta! Guessing you must be playing harder rock and have two kick drums to cram in?
I had a hire car once when I was due to get to a gig - the guy didn't understand why the first thing I wanted to know was 'how big is the boot?' - I've got to get a double bass into it!' ;)
2x22 kick, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, toms, 2xsnare, double rack, 7 cymbals, hi-hats, 4 pedals, hi-hat stand, throne, sticks and all the boxes and flight cases.
Del - that ebay one has a smack in the front, seller's reply put me right off anyway.
Looked at one today at Evans Halshaw - 07 plate, slight damage at the front bumper, wheels a bit scuffed, few scratches needing attention, interior not too shabby, dunno if 120 or 150 PS, dunno the miles but when he said £7495 I started walking.
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just a thought but why not get a mpv of some sort plenty to choose from and plenty cheap.
Renault arent the best either loads of problems on the latest ones, Chy Voager ok desent oil burns too then there is the galaxy/sharan/alhambra with vw engines,
or vauxhall zafera though i find them a bit small.
Personlly i have a vauxhall sintra 2.2dti 99 model for when we all go out together 8 seats 48-50 mpg on a run 40 round town
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just a thought but why not get a mpv of some sort plenty to choose from and plenty cheap.
Renault arent the best either loads of problems on the latest ones, Chy Voager ok desent oil burns too then there is the galaxy/sharan/alhambra with vw engines,
or vauxhall zafera though i find them a bit small.
Personlly i have a vauxhall sintra 2.2dti 99 model for when we all go out together 8 seats 48-50 mpg on a run 40 round town
I've never fancied the mpv's, they always seem too high off the ground.