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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: madmv6 on 24 August 2010, 17:59:52
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hi im in the process of putting the engine and gearbox from an omega 2.5 v6 into a saxo vts. the project is going good so far, but im in the process of sorting out the wiring.
im am trying to wire up the dash but im struggle with the speedo, i was wondering does anyone know where the omega speed sensor is located
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I think its part of the ABS but someone with a better knowledge of the system will no doubt be able to put you right
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NSR ABS sensor IIRC :y
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some piccys will be nice :y
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2 much weight 4 a small car and not a great deal of power. a good vts will smoke it. :'(
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if I remember correctly, its on the left rear ..
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hi im in the process of putting the engine and gearbox from an omega 2.5 v6 into a saxo vts. the project is going good so far, but im in the process of sorting out the wiring.
im am trying to wire up the dash but im struggle with the speedo, i was wondering does anyone know where the omega speed sensor is located
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Gearbox!
Does this mean it is going to be correct wheel drive?
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hi im in the process of putting the engine and gearbox from an omega 2.5 v6 into a saxo vts. the project is going good so far, but im in the process of sorting out the wiring.
im am trying to wire up the dash but im struggle with the speedo, i was wondering does anyone know where the omega speed sensor is located
(http://)
Gearbox!
Does this mean it is going to be correct wheel drive?
Snap! I was just about post this. Due to the saxo being so light I hope you are running a LSD 8-) I wonder how much extra can be tweaked out by using the cams from the 3L, exhaust work and direct cold air feed.
Get some pics up as this sounds interesting :y
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
Agreed, I have R888s (track day tyres) on the mr2 and that really is a go cart :D
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rear axle /sub frame/track set up piccys.
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
:o No, that would be FWD as in Mini, show me a same size car in rwd that will beat it, in standard spec, is there one?? ::) ::) ::)
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not yet!!
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not yet!!
Can there ever be a RWD option to better a 1959 FWD design?..... :) :) :)
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
:o No, that would be FWD as in Mini, show me a same size car in rwd that will beat it, in standard spec, is there one?? ::) ::) ::)
Smart Roadster in Brabus flavour :y :y :y
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
:o No, that would be FWD as in Mini, show me a same size car in rwd that will beat it, in standard spec, is there one?? ::) ::) ::)
Smart Roadster in Brabus flavour :y :y :y
keep trying, cos I really can not think of one.. :)
4 proper seats? I think not, not a standard spec comparison.... ::) ::)
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
:o No, that would be FWD as in Mini, show me a same size car in rwd that will beat it, in standard spec, is there one?? ::) ::) ::)
Smart Roadster in Brabus flavour :y :y :y
keep trying, cos I really can not think of one.. :)
4 proper seats? I think not, not a standard spec comparison.... ::) ::)
you only stipulated which wheels were to be driven .... no mention at all of number of seats! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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I dont think there has ever been a purpose built /designed FWD competition car, in racing/ rallying or any other class of motorsport that I can remember - there must be a reason for that. ;)
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(http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b460/tapper888/zmini_monte_carlo_3_big.jpg)
perhaps not purpose built but done a fair old job.
small, rwd, 4 seats.(bmw 1 series??)
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not yet!!
Can there ever be a RWD option to better a 1959 FWD design?..... :) :) :)
A 2.2 litre Talbot hatch fitted with forest suspension
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small, rwd, 4 seats.(bmw 1 series??)
Ah, yes. Make way for Noddy. :D
(http://sniffpetrol.com/wp-content/uploads/spadbmw1coupe.jpg)
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not yet!!
Can there ever be a RWD option to better a 1959 FWD design?..... :) :) :)
surely that's the wrong way round ? can any FWD ever better a 1959 RWD setup ? I doubt not
on Omega B, the speed signal is generated by the ABS system, ther isn't a gearbox-mounted speed sensor at all.
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slow
ugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slowugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
Ugly, well thats down to personal taste but I think the original mini looks fantastic and far better than the 2cv
Speed. The mini is faster then the 2CV. How many motor sport events did the 2CV win ;D
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slowugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
Ugly, well thats down to personal taste but I think the original mini looks fantastic and far better than the 2cv
Speed. The mini is faster then the 2CV. How many motor sport events did the 2CV win ;D
I'll let you off on the Motorsport thing, although there's still a lot of 2cv racing today.
it's not that I particularly like the 2cv, it's just that it's my example of the perfect motor car - designed to transport four in comfort at minimal expense, just what the car was originally invented for.
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I hope you're uprating the braking system too :o :o
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slowugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
Ugly, well thats down to personal taste but I think the original mini looks fantastic and far better than the 2cv
Speed. The mini is faster then the 2CV. How many motor sport events did the 2CV win ;D
I'll let you off on the Motorsport thing, although there's still a lot of 2cv racing today.
it's not that I particularly like the 2cv, it's just that it's my example of the perfect motor car - designed to transport four in comfort at minimal expense, just what the car was originally invented for.
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Sadly you are mistaken, that was it's progression, originally the 2cv was designed to carry a basket of eggs and the farmer across a plowed field without breaking the eggs...and it did it.... :y :y
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slow
ugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
History says different, great little cars...... :y :y :y
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slow
ugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
History says different, great little cars...... :y :y :y
Agree with woody Bad car. succeeds because of herd behavior
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How many motor sport events did the 2CV win ;D
hahahaha
so any pics of this saxo/omega in progress?
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How many motor sport events did the 2CV win ;D
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so any pics of this saxo/omega in progress?
Some years ago, and I can not remember which race track, there was some 2cv racing, I remember it as great entertainment. Typically of french cars of the day the did tend to lean somewhat in the corners... :D :D :D
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shame the Austin 1100 wasn't included in the mix - that's the mini they got right......!
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Small RWD cars are brilliant fun, like go carts :y :y
:o No, that would be FWD as in Mini, show me a same size car in rwd that will beat it, in standard spec, is there one?? ::) ::) ::)
Smart Roadster in Brabus flavour :y :y :y
lotus talbot sunbeam, vauxhall chevette! fwd is only used cos its cheap to manufacture, and more passenger room because of no transmition tunnel, and they are "safer" to drive for people who can't drive properly because they understear! ;D
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actually, thinking about it, the Mini must be just about the worst FWD ever designed......
too small
too costly
slow
ugly
made a loss on every one sold
poor economy
very poor comfort
unreliable
beaten by even the humble 2CV on every front
I totaly agree and after 40 years they still hand brazed the rear panels on.
Classis example of why we have no car ineustry, great car in its day that not changed 40 years later
Great little saxo project though
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I am interested in your project, I have often thought how funny it would be to stick a 3.0 in a mini.
Upload us some pics. :y
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shame the Austin 1100 wasn't included in the mix - that's the mini they got right......!
This was my first car. Its top speed varied between 80 and 100. The speedo used to bounce all over the place ;D ;D
A great car to have fun in. Unfortunately I had to send it to the scrapman in the sky :'(
I was braking hard one day and the whole front end(wings, bonnet etc) lifted up :( :( :(
It was completely rotten. I have great memories of that little car 8-)
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I am interested in your project, I have often thought how funny it would be to stick a 3.0 in a mini.
Upload us some pics. :y
Have you come across Doris? ;D
http://www.spagweb.com/v8mini/doris/index.htm
Kevin
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I am interested in your project, I have often thought how funny it would be to stick a 3.0 in a mini.
Upload us some pics. :y
Many years ago I had a plan to put a V6/V8 into the back of a Mini Van, with little on the outside to show the difference, Oh how we dream...... ::) ::)
The other idea we had was to 'Savage' an Anglia and stick all the 'I love Blackpool' etc type stickers in the back window, so that it looked stock.... ;D ;D
'Savaged' a couple of Cortina's though.... :y :y :y
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V70, rip the rear seats out, v12 mounted in back driving rear wheels, or a 3 litre trabant is what i want to do when i get time!
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2 much weight 4 a small car and not a great deal of power. a good vts will smoke it. Cry
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You would be better off with a 3.0 as its not to hard with a custom install to get it upto 230-240 bhp.
But the V6 is not a particularly heavy engine. And the rear wheel drive setup would probbly give a more balanced. Car.
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thanks for the info, in response to all youre questions im using a 2.5 v6 on 3.0 cams, uprated fuel pump and custom exhaust manifolds,im planning on running a 50 bhp progressive nos kit, i have conected it to a rs2000 rear axle, that will have an lsd soon, i have tried loading pics but it wont work.(http://)
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thanks for the info, in response to all youre questions im using a 2.5 v6 on 3.0 cams, uprated fuel pump and custom exhaust manifolds,im planning on running a 50 bhp progressive nos kit, i have conected it to a rs2000 rear axle, that will have an lsd soon, i have tried loading pics but it wont work.(http://)
You haev to host the pics at a hosting site like photobucket and then post the links.
If going 3.0 cams then make sure you use the 3.0 inlet manifold and base.
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why do u need to use the 3.0 manifold i thought they were the same as the 2.5
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why do u need to use the 3.0 manifold i thought they were the same as the 2.5
3.0 inlet manifold is larger
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why do u need to use the 3.0 manifold i thought they were the same as the 2.5
3.0 inlet manifold is larger
I thought it was just the divider?
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i have manage to sort out some pics on photobucket,
http://s804.photobucket.com/home/madmv6
let me no what you think
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Nice! and to make it easy...
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/madmv6/saxo%20v6/100_4814.jpg)
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/madmv6/saxo%20v6/100_4809.jpg)
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/madmv6/saxo%20v6/100_4807.jpg)
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy328/madmv6/saxo%20v6/100_4806.jpg)
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thanxs for doing that mate,
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no probs, saves everyone having to go looking.
Looks one hell of a squeeze!
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Did the gearbox fit the tunnel ok?
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WICKED!!!
Don't forget to leave the standard badges on it, and put something tacky like "I love my Saxo" sticker in the rear window, before leaving all-comers in hot hatchbacks driven by spotty teenagers and 20 somethings for dead.
I love street sleepers!!
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That looks destined to embarrass a few folk at the lights. ;D
Kevin
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2 much weight 4 a small car and not a great deal of power. a good vts will smoke it. :'(
correct, a good vts would also smoke a 3.0, upto about 130 anyway!!
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no i needed to cut out the old tunnel and fabricate a new one to fit the gearbox, the plans are to keep the car looking standard, and a when its running i dont there will be much that could keep up with it esepially not "a good vts"
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great piccys, nice work :y
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2 much weight 4 a small car and not a great deal of power. a good vts will smoke it. :'(
correct, a good vts would also smoke a 3.0, upto about 130 anyway!!
In my experience, it wont. :-/
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2 much weight 4 a small car and not a great deal of power. a good vts will smoke it. :'(
correct, a good vts would also smoke a 3.0, upto about 130 anyway!!
I doubt it very much, quoted top speed of a VTS is 127mph so I would say it would be running out of steam at 115mph
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no i needed to cut out the old tunnel and fabricate a new one to fit the gearbox, the plans are to keep the car looking standard, and a when its running i dont there will be much that could keep up with it esepially not "a good vts"
Are you using a cut down version of the Omega rear subframe plus diff or an alternative smaller donor?
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And a VTS is around 118bhp over a narrow power band.
V6 2.5 with 3.0 cams etc will be 200bhp over a wider power band
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no i needed to cut out the old tunnel and fabricate a new one to fit the gearbox, the plans are to keep the car looking standard, and a when its running i dont there will be much that could keep up with it esepially not "a good vts"
Are you using a cut down version of the Omega rear subframe plus diff or an alternative smaller donor?
The OP said this a pageish back:
thanks for the info, in response to all youre questions im using a 2.5 v6 on 3.0 cams, uprated fuel pump and custom exhaust manifolds,im planning on running a 50 bhp progressive nos kit, i have conected it to a rs2000 rear axle, that will have an lsd soon, i have tried loading pics but it wont work.(http://)
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And a VTS is around 118bhp over a narrow power band.
V6 2.5 with 3.0 cams etc will be 200bhp over a wider power band
Also, the Saxo only has just over 100lbs/ft Torque.
My Brother in Law has a VTS, serviced well etc, a nice little machine, but unless the road involves a huge amount of bends, he stands no chance against my standard 3.0. :y
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sorted the speedo issues?
is it "standard" saxo front end suspension?
what type of speedo is in the saxo?
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yes especially a good tuned up 106gti or vts will give that over weight saxo a run 4 its money, not being off or funny but i guess you aint driven 1. if you lived near i would get my mate to race you in his gti. just 2 prove a point. hope to c it on the road soon :y
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yes especially a good tuned up 106gti or vts will give that over weight saxo a run 4 its money, not being off or funny but i guess you aint driven 1. if you lived near i would get my mate to race you in his gti. just 2 prove a point. hope to c it on the road soon :y
You are funny ;D
Experience of both 106GTi's and Saxo VTS' neither of which are quick 'super mini's', neither of which will touch a 3.0 Omega in a straight line, let alone a 3.0 Saxo.
Spud, when you wake up, let us know. ;D
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my mates gti is 160bhp as its had alot done 2it. so i would put money on it if you was to race in a straight line he would win!! :y
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my mates gti is 160bhp as its had alot done 2it. so i would put money on it if you was to race in a straight line he would win!! :y
Off the mark, 160BHP in a car which weighs a ton, yeah, he probably would win. When he hits 130 (if the little thing doesn't fall apart by the time it gets there) I'll pass it whilst changing into 4th, in absolute comfort. ;D
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lokk it wiil beat you hands down! aint as if yours will handle as ther is way 2 much weight at the front!!!! bring it 2 town and we will put £££££££££ on it pmsl
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Here goes, the 3.0 is not THAT heavy.
On acceleration the Omega Saxo would win off the line simply due to weight transfer.
On twisty roads I expect the weight is more central, as the box will be between the seats,
I have found that short light RWD cars are a lot quicker on very twisty roads.
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Get some pics up! :)
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All this pondering...."mines faster than your....etc" comes down to one thing, really. I don't doubt something thats light with a revvy engine will beat something probably twice its weight with a large engine twice its capacity, BUT....
what would you rather do hard acceleration and cruise at speed in? a buzzy screaming little thing revving its nuts off, or total comfort, unhurried speed, and every toy thats perhaps 1 second slower to 60, but 30 miles an hour faster, much smoother, and maybe cheaper to insure??
Saxo VTS versus good sorted MV6 saloon???
My moneys on the miggy!
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just sticking me oar in here for a laugh.............
take a look at what a 1.6 saxo vts engine can do in another car :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT4G-YNGLo0
bet you didn't think it would go that fast eh :-?
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take a look at what a 1.6 saxo vts engine can do in another car
Supercharged Saxo[ch65279] VTS engine.
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Looks like a good project buddy :y
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how gutted must the evo owner must be!!!! :'( :'( just goes 2 show it aint all about big engines. :y :y
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how gutted must the evo owner must be!!!! :'( :'( just goes 2 show it aint all about big engines. :y :y
There is no replacement for displacement :P
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theres a citroen ax gt on ebay today right now for 350 sovs,theres also a new and unused rotrex supercharger almost like the one fitted to the saxo engine in the Ax in the youtube vid for £1500 sovs. Id say for about 3 grand you could upset a whole heap of supercars and jap stuff with a 200 hp old Ax :D
the Ax weighs in at 700kgs which makes it very light,and tbh if you used perspex glass,chucked the interior and stuff it could even go less than that.
Anyway its food for thought,i do think a 3.2 omeega would be quicker possibly top end but accelerating away from a bank :D
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200 BHP and approximately 200ft lbs of Torque on the rear wheels in a car weighing about 1 tonne...
The manure should slide very nicely off that shovel and leave many embarassed faces looking at your tail end as you pull away...