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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: SP_3.2 on 20 September 2010, 09:20:56
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Ok odd one this , Now I know that the auto box is adaptive with shift points on the Omega , But does this is also run true when you shift the box manually i.e. 1,2,3 or does this say the same with the speed of chance up/down.
Thanks
Steve.
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
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not sure if it adapts or just follows the software reguardless, but manualy it does what you tell it, provided the next gear is with in rpm range, so no, imo. :-/
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I was thinking about the autobox the other night and wondering if anyone has seen any control boxes that turn it into a semi-auto (i.e. flappy-paddle controlled autobox)?
There used to be one available for the 300ZX - it achieved it, as far as I know, by messing with the auto box ECU control signals, and I imagine the same would be possible with the Omega unless the engine ECU & gearbox ECU communicate over CANbus (which just complicates everything)..
(I was thinking about this about the same time I was trawling eBay wondering if any alternative auto shifters could be made to fit)
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.
Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!
Heres a brief mention of it in TIS
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/AutoTis.jpg)
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.
Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!
Heres a brief mention of it in TIS
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/AutoTis.jpg)
mine is dumb then ;D :y
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.
Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS
:y Thanks for that. Time to go to school ;) ;).
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.
Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS
:y Thanks for that. Time to go to school ;) ;).
I've been using miggy for 6 years and never witnessed that it shifted in different rpms.. end of..
and must add its as dumb as a wood.. unless I use sportbutton or 1,2,3
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.
Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS
:y Thanks for that. Time to go to school ;) ;).
I've been using miggy for 6 years and never witnessed that it shifted in different rpms.. end of..
and must add its as dumb as a wood.. unless I use sportbutton or 1,2,3
maybe the software update would help, if not done already...
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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..
it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..
edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.
Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS
:y Thanks for that. Time to go to school ;) ;).
I've been using miggy for 6 years and never witnessed that it shifted in different rpms.. end of..
and must add its as dumb as a wood.. unless I use sportbutton or 1,2,3
maybe the software update would help, if not done already...
no software updates.. but whoever written that original software ... :-X
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hi guys, please forgive my stupidity but are you saying that the revs the auto changes gear at can be changed/adapted to whatever you want???
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
Mr DTM, they may adopt, but obviously I dont see as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
It's very noticeable after towing for a while, as well, IME.
Kevin
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
Mr DTM, they may adopt, but obviously I dont see as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..
I realise tech2 may not be so easily accessible Cem, but if at all possible, I would recommend the auto gear box update, iirc latest is version 9, improves the changes and shift points, also climate update while your there, sorry to keep on. :)
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Is there any way of telling what versions of the gearbox and climate software are installed, without tech 2 or similar?
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
Mr DTM, they may adopt, but obviously I dont see as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..
I realise tech2 may not be so easily accessible Cem, but if at all possible, I would recommend the auto gear box update, iirc latest is version 9, improves the changes and shift points, also climate update while your there, sorry to keep on. :)
well, I asked (long time ago) the biggest opel service about software upgrade for autobox, they say "first time we hear about it" >:(
may be its good idea to ask gearbox specialists :-/
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
Mr DTM, they may adopt, but obviously I dont see as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..
I realise tech2 may not be so easily accessible Cem, but if at all possible, I would recommend the auto gear box update, iirc latest is version 9, improves the changes and shift points, also climate update while your there, sorry to keep on. :)
well, I asked (long time ago) the biggest opel service about software upgrade for autobox, they say "first time we hear about it" >:(
may be its good idea to ask gearbox specialists :-/
Nah Cem .. you just need a holiday in UK .. that coincides with the Newent or Lakes meets ... then you'll be sorted and we can all have a beer or three as well ( probably cheaper than going to a dealer as well ! )
:y :y :y :y
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
Mr DTM, they may adopt, but obviously I dont see as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..
I realise tech2 may not be so easily accessible Cem, but if at all possible, I would recommend the auto gear box update, iirc latest is version 9, improves the changes and shift points, also climate update while your there, sorry to keep on. :)
well, I asked (long time ago) the biggest opel service about software upgrade for autobox, they say "first time we hear about it" >:(
may be its good idea to ask gearbox specialists :-/
Nah Cem .. you just need a holiday in UK .. that coincides with the Newent or Lakes meets ... then you'll be sorted and we can all have a beer or three as well ( probably cheaper than going to a dealer as well ! )
:y :y :y :y
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
I wish to do so :) :y
but first I need to ask the prime minister to increase my microscobic salary >:(
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Remember only later autobox ECUs (post 99 rings a bell?) are upgradeable. But clearly Cem's dealer don't know how to use their Tech 2. ;)
Kevin
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Remember only later autobox ECUs (post 99 rings a bell?) are upgradeable. But clearly Cem's dealer don't know how to use their Tech 2. ;)
Kevin
nah.. that cancels any possibilities.. :-/
seriously the dealer uses tech 2 for error codes.. nothing more.. :(
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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.
And CEM, they DO adapt.
Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.
If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.
So if you give it almost full throttle (right up to the kick down switch, but not enough to operate it), I assume that your Omega would change later than say an Omega driven by Miss Daisy?
What’s the normal RPM which they change gear in this scenario?
I think if I’m giving it as much throttle as I can without pressing the kick down, it seems to change around the 6k mark iirc (Will check next time). Foot flat to the floor, it changes around 6.6k.
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I think if I’m giving it as much throttle as I can without pressing the kick down, it seems to change around the 6k mark iirc (Will check next time). Foot flat to the floor, it changes around 6.6k.
If I've been driving "miss daisy" mine changes up at about 3-3.5k with throttle just above the kickdown. Does depend on rate of change of throttle position, too. A gentle squeeze to full throttle and it'll only change down on a hill, or if it's at sub-2k rpm or so. Open the throttle with more urgency and it'll slip into the next lower gear straight away.
As I say, after towing for a while this all goes to pot for a few tens of miles after unhitching. It will change down much earlier in anticipation.
Kevin
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Interesting Kevin!
I tried this morning, car was in 2nd, as much throttle as I could without activating kickdown switch...
Was still pulling at around 5250rpm, had to lift off as I was running out of road!
Can’t understand why its changing so high, as 95% of the driving ive been doing lately has been sub 30mph through town. :-?
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Interesting Kevin!
I tried this morning, car was in 2nd, as much throttle as I could without activating kickdown switch...
Was still pulling at around 5250rpm, had to lift off as I was running out of road!
Can’t understand why its changing so high, as 95% of the driving ive been doing lately has been sub 30mph through town. :-?
Will have to try it on mine. Thinking about it in the lower gears it probably does take it to 5k or so. :-/
Kevin
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If it helps, mine will change at around 3-3.5k with the pedal resting on the kickdown switch.
I definitely dont drive like I have Miss Daisy in the back.
This is a 99 (T) My 98 (R) was very VERY different. I actually preferred it to be honest. It did what you wanted it to do, not what it 'thought' you wanted it to do.
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If it helps, mine will change at around 3-3.5k with the pedal resting on the kickdown switch.
I definitely dont drive like I have Miss Daisy in the back.
This is a 99 (T) My 98 (R) was very VERY different. I actually preferred it to be honest. It did what you wanted it to do, not what it 'thought' you wanted it to do.
Maybe down to different software versions? Mines a 3.0 on an R plate (98).
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If it helps, mine will change at around 3-3.5k with the pedal resting on the kickdown switch.
Mine (the 51 plate) is like that too (or seemed to be this morning)..
Must find a time when I can procure Kevin's TECH2 services for a gearbox update and other bits & bobs.
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If it helps, mine will change at around 3-3.5k with the pedal resting on the kickdown switch.
I definitely dont drive like I have Miss Daisy in the back.
This is a 99 (T) My 98 (R) was very VERY different. I actually preferred it to be honest. It did what you wanted it to do, not what it 'thought' you wanted it to do.
I wish I could say the same.. nope.. yesterday I visited a gearbox specialist.. tested the car on the road and said nothing wrong with it.. but its stupid as usual.. ;D and dont know about updates.. :-/