Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Sixstring on 28 September 2010, 13:21:53
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Anybody know the goods and bads of these cars?
Haven't seen many of them on the roads, and know nowt about them. A friend of mine is considering buying one soon and has asked me for some input.
Haven't got any to give them!
cheers.
mike.
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I beleive the parts bills are absolutely huge.
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Probably why they are not often seen on the roads, then. Have they been discontinued by VW now?
I would think a Passat estate was a better bet, then?
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I am sure that a member here has one but can't remember who it is
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Probably why they are not often seen on the roads, then. Have they been discontinued by VW now?
I would think a Passat estate was a better bet, then?
If they can make do with a smaller car yes as it will be considerably easier on the pocket
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I have a new V6 Phaeton 4 motion so repairs not an issue at present but will buy extended warranty in due course. The 2004/5 models and before will be massively exepnsive on suspension problems as whole system was redesigned in that year.
They have a huge spec including 2 batteries and huge infotainment - hard drive, mp3, sd card etc with integrated phone which works best with Nokia phones as Nokia designed the system. It is quick, very smooth, touch screen suspension options, does 36 mpg but I only use it on lomg journeys - never round town. I have done about 4000 miles now and no issues - touch wood. VW garages are generally useless on helping with information.
Repair costs will be heavy compared to Omega but apear to be less than A8.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1652232
The above thread has a lot of how to's - a lot of data is on the older models and for experience with newer models you need to go into main section for general posts.
If your mate has specific issues then suggest he joins the Phaeton forum and he will get input - a lot of US posts - growing in UK and Sweden - understand China is big market for these now.
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http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/
I just checked on whats bad part and some repairs alone can buy multiple omegas :o
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O_M_G!!!
will tell them forget it completely, then. Bloody Hell!! was/is this VW's white elephant?? :'(
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O_M_G!!!
will tell them forget it completely, then. Bloody Hell!! was/is this VW's white elephant?? :'(
Yes!
Mega expensive with only a VW badge on it, not even an Audi badge!
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probably worth it for novelty value if it was a W12
life's too short to worry about what could go wrong.
here speaketh the man with the Holden, where the nearest dealer is 12,500 miles away.
talking about expensive, I've just bought all the stuff for the front suspension on the Bentley - 16 rubber bushes, the cheapest of which was £74
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My son had one for a while,it was great,fast,went where you pointed it,But it drunk like a fish.
I borrowed once to tow my van,man it was awesome!So So fast,a great tow car.
When he come to sell it on e bay,no one wanted to know,a yank service man,bought it without even driving it,say it's a volks in'it.
I loved it bar for the driving position,uncomfortable for ME.
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O_M_G!!!
will tell them forget it completely, then. Bloody Hell!! was/is this VW's white elephant?? :'(
Yes!
Mega expensive with only a VW badge on it, not even an Audi badge!
That's a good point surely? :)
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I always reconed the v10 diesel Tuareg motor was the one to go for...?
And what's with the shocks on these, why replace all 4 when one fails? Axle pair yes, but all 4? Why?
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As regards the shocks this was a story arising in the US with pre 2004 cars. There was much mis information but it appears that due to a supplier change there are no more air struts for the old system and so in the event of failure you have to have the new struts and the new monitoring systm that goes with it. I think VW did the right thing for those that had a problem but no doubt one or 2 may have got the wrong side of a dealer and din't research the solution options well enough.
It is stated not to be a common fault in any case.
This was posted in 2007:
"OK, OK, hold on here before the wrong story gets out of control...
Here are the facts:
1) There are no 'known problems' with Phaeton suspension components. The failure rate across all model years has been equal or less than industry average, based upon reports made here in the forum.
2) There was a part number change made between the end of MY 2004 and beginning of MY 2005 construction.
3) For reasons unknown, the original version (MY 2004) parts are not available in North America at this time. This means if one shock fails, you have to replace the other three, because the parts cannot be mixed.
4) Volkswagen of America has been dealing with this on a 'case by case' basis, but so far, for the three cases of shock failure that have been reported from the MY 2004 fleet (that's less than 0.1% of production), they have paid for the parts and labour required to replace the other three even if the vehicle is out of warranty."
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Yeah, thought so....or something along those lines anyway.
And something of a relief tbh, the phaeton light still burns.
Externally understated, not Audi, Bmw, or Merc hmmm
Still vag though. :-/
I do like toys though, as I'm sure I may have mentioned ;D
:y
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Had a test drive once.....what a massive car!! a bit like an old jag in size, but sooooooo smooth.
Managed about 46 miles before the little fuel light came on, and it was 1/4 full when I left...................
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(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05455.jpg)
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05454.jpg)
To satisfy just part of chrisgixer's interest in gadgets - this is the touch screen suspension fitted to the current Phaeton . I was in an A8 last week and interior was no where near as nice as Phaeton admittedly not the brand new A8.
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(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05450.jpg)
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05437.jpg)
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05459.jpg)
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05439.jpg)
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Very impressive indeed PS - that looks to be a lovely car. 8-) :y :y
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I've never really got my head round the reason for the Phaeton. Was it a demonstration by VAG to show what they could do, or was it an attempt to stretch their range up into the premium sector, in which case why when they already have Audi's A8 doing battle? On both levels the model is very good indeed, although I would contest the point that it is astonishing because the main reason I believe why people are so amazed by it is down to them not expecting the makers of dull efforts like the Polo to come up with such a decent luxo-barge.
I certainly wouldn't mind having one but it would have to be a few years old as the depreciation appears to be pretty eye-watering, which doesn't appeal to my Welsh side! Joking aside, it's great news for us tightwad drivers but must be absolutely maddening for anyone buying them new, enjoying what is a really nice car and then being insulted by a shiny suit on a forecourt come chopping-in time.
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I tend to do my own thing and keep cars a long time. The Omega is now 9 years old.
I have had years of old man's car, taxi etc on the Omega and yet when people have been in it they have been mighty impressed. VX have been great and as posted a couple of years ago - they fitted a brand new engine to it after a cam belt problem that was never pinned down as either mechanic error or tension bolt failure. So I just look at the average cost per year on depreciation - keep it in good repair and all things considered is a reasonable outcome.
Some guys go to Dresden to get involved in assembly of their Phaetons when buying new and pay £50k. I got this new with £5k of extras due I think to a mistake by manager of VW dealer who has since left the company. I paid about the same as I would for an Insignia but he had miscalculated and I had already committed to a price. When I went to pick it up they were offering to let me out of the contract!!
If I keep this 10 years then a loss of £20k is probably max unless of course ownership of big cars has become even more punitive. Road Tax is £425 a year to illustrate the point - but I have insured it with full ncb etc for £300 per annum with admiral on multicar.
The reason for the Phaeton was a misjudged attempt by a past VW CEO to compete at high end so they threw all the bits into it on same platform as Bentley Continental.
But when I was being offered 1 year old A8s for nearly £40k and had the chance of this I took what I think is the best financial solution over a long period.
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I saw some pics of the assembly line (if you can all it that) at Dresden a few years back. The facility is jaw-dropping in terms of the environment in which the models are made and the tower in which finished cars are stored for collection is a brilliant idea. The pic made them look like dinky toys in a collector's showcase. When I compare that place to the times I've been round the likes of Ellesmere Port .... blimey....
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(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05455.jpg)
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad191/pscocoa/phaeton/DSC05454.jpg)
To satisfy just part of chrisgixer's interest in gadgets - this is the touch screen suspension fitted to the current Phaeton . I was in an A8 last week and interior was no where near as nice as Phaeton admittedly not the brand new A8.
ooooh thats nice....no no stop it, you'll cost me a fortune, i may do something rash and go out and buy one. :o :y
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I have a new V6 Phaeton 4 motion so repairs not an issue at present but will buy extended warranty in due course. The 2004/5 models and before will be massively exepnsive on suspension problems as whole system was redesigned in that year.
They have a huge spec including 2 batteries and huge infotainment - hard drive, mp3, sd card etc with integrated phone which works best with Nokia phones as Nokia designed the system. It is quick, very smooth, touch screen suspension options, does 36 mpg but I only use it on lomg journeys - never round town. I have done about 4000 miles now and no issues - touch wood. VW garages are generally useless on helping with information.
Repair costs will be heavy compared to Omega but apear to be less than A8.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?1652232
The above thread has a lot of how to's - a lot of data is on the older models and for experience with newer models you need to go into main section for general posts.
If your mate has specific issues then suggest he joins the Phaeton forum and he will get input - a lot of US posts - growing in UK and Sweden - understand China is big market for these now.
You lucky ******* these are my favourite cars in the past few years, a Bentley @ VW money 8-)