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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: pjd7325 on 09 October 2010, 16:59:09
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We all love them (otherwise we wouldn't members of the forum) Do you think they will ever be classics like the lotus carlton etc?
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Given long enough any car becomes a classic.
As for having the status of the Lotus Carlton, no. The Carlton is a completely different story.
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No, too many made
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Yes, as Pete says, all cars have the potential of becoming classics :y :y
I am old enough to remember when Austin 7's, Baby Austins, were being given away and something only fit for the scrapeheap, with me as a 5 year old thinking they were so cute and wanting one when I grew up ::) ::) ::)
Now you are very lucky to own one of those, as with all the other 'popular' cars of the time, each becoming a 'classic' in its own right 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
Indeed Pete :y :y
Ford Escort Mk1, Morris Minors, Austin Mini, Ford Cortina's, etc, all made in great quantity, but now treasured as classics by those with 'mint' examples 8-) 8-) 8-)
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
Indeed Pete :y :y
Ford Escort Mk1, Morris Minors, Austin Mini, Ford Cortina's, etc, all made in great quantity, but now treasured as classics by those with 'mint' examples 8-) 8-) 8-)
A classic case of G.W.B.B :y :y
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
Indeed Pete :y :y
Ford Escort Mk1, Morris Minors, Austin Mini, Ford Cortina's, etc, all made in great quantity, but now treasured as classics by those with 'mint' examples 8-) 8-) 8-)
A classic case of G.W.B.B :y :y
???? Pete :-/ :-/ :-/
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
When you've lived a while longer, you'll be able to comment on the past.
There's been many bland & forgettable cars that have become classics. Lizzie's just mentioned only a few
Lizzie G.W.B.B= gob working before brain. Not you :)
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There were 1.3 million Morris Minors produced in the 23 years of it production in various guises. There are less than 11,000 left in the UK and just over 32,000 worldwide. In the 40 years since the last one was produced they have become classics with time and dwindling numbers. This could be the case for any marque if enough of a following (such as us lot here) has built behind it.
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It may take a few years but why not?
they are different,
I mean morris marinas are often called classic ;D
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
When you've lived a while longer, you'll be able to comment on the past.
There's been many bland & forgettable cars that have become classics. Lizzie's just mentioned only a few
Lizzie G.W.B.B= gob working before brain. Not you :)
;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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It may take a few years but why not?
they are different,
I mean morris marinas are often called classic ;D
Yep, and the Allegro!! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
When you've lived a while longer, you'll be able to comment on the past.
There's been many bland & forgettable cars that have become classics. Lizzie's just mentioned only a few
Lizzie G.W.B.B= gob working before brain. Not you :)
Very nice of you to add that extra bit at the end, very relevant.
A forum is about opinions, so why bring insults into it? The Omega won't become a classic, not for decades
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
When you've lived a while longer, you'll be able to comment on the past.
There's been many bland & forgettable cars that have become classics. Lizzie's just mentioned only a few
Lizzie G.W.B.B= gob working before brain. Not you :)
Very nice of you to add that extra bit at the end, very relevant.
A forum is about opinions, so why bring insults into it? The Omega won't be become a classic
It's not an insult ;)
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I was always under the impression the term "classic" was in regards to the age of the vehicle and the fact that its still on the road or desirable, not that there are x amount of millions of them made.
for example there are 3 omegas on the road up where i am at the moment, making them rare but not classic, yet.
will see how many are on the roads in 20 yrs time. then we wil see if they are worthy of the "classic" status.
:)
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In 20 years time yes, Senators will be in about 10
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
Never does or has.
As a rule of thumb its a car that is 25+ years old.
An antique car is 45+ years.
So no, totaly wrong, numbers have bugger all to do with it :y
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It may take a few years but why not?
they are different,
I mean morris marinas are often called classic ;D
Yep, and the Allegro!! :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;)
I liked them - along with the Maxi and the Princess. :-* :-* :y
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I don't think there's much chance of the Omega becoming anything more than a minor or niche classic
- no competition history
- relatively few sold
- no perceived 'halo' model (Lotus Carlton or equivalent)
- was not a class leader or definer (we might feel it should have been but that's another story
So no doubt some and hopefully many will survive but they will only be sought after by a few, maybe for sentimental reasons.
Pity but there it is...
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There were 1.3 million Morris Minors produced in the 23 years of it production in various guises. There are less than 11,000 left in the UK and ......
...... and 16 of them were driving in convoy (excepting the prat in a 4x4 that split them up :-?) along Blackpool front on Monday evening. Travellers, drop heads & 'ordinay' saloons, both split screen & later cars :y :y :y A good turn out! ;)
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
Never does or has.
As a rule of thumb its a car that is 25+ years old.
An antique car is 45+ years.
So no, totaly wrong, numbers have bugger all to do with it :y
Disagree, numbers have everything to do with it.
They only reason they become classics at 25 years, is because they are rare. Been destroyed over the years from rust, accidents and replacement models.
If every single Jag E Type was still on the road that were built, would they be considered classics?
Put it this way... Great Western's HST Fleet is 25 years old, are they considered Classic? No, they are common as muck on that line. steam train from the same era though, which no longer runs main line commuter services, is considered 'classic'
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I know of another MM restorer and retailer in Bath that I used to pass regularly 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
Never does or has.
As a rule of thumb its a car that is 25+ years old.
An antique car is 45+ years.
So no, totaly wrong, numbers have bugger all to do with it :y
Disagree, numbers have everything to do with it.
They only reason they become classics at 25 years, is because they are rare. Been destroyed over the years from rust, accidents and replacement models.
If every single Jag E Type was still on the road that were built, would they be considered classics?
Put it this way... Great Western's HST Fleet is 25 years old, are they considered Classic? No, they are common as muck on that line. steam train from the same era though, which no longer runs main line commuter services, is considered 'classic'
Sorry Tunnie, but HST's are some way after the end of BR steam, but rest assured will become classics in museums one day as the "common as muck" Black Fives are now!!
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Sorry Tunnie, but HST's are some way after the end of BR steam, but rest assured will become classics in museums one day as the "common as muck" Black Fives are now!!
Exactly my point, they are 25 years old now, but not considered classic because they are in full service, and loads of them are about ;)
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
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Sorry Tunnie, but HST's are some way after the end of BR steam, but rest assured will become classics in museums one day as the "common as muck" Black Fives are now!!
Exactly my point, they are 25 years old now, but not considered classic because they are in full service, and loads of them are about ;)
OK Tunnie, but then how and why has your "quantity" statement got anything to do with that?
You are now agreeing that time is the crucial factor in "classic" status, not numbers built :D :D ;) ;)
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
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Sorry Tunnie, but HST's are some way after the end of BR steam, but rest assured will become classics in museums one day as the "common as muck" Black Fives are now!!
Exactly my point, they are 25 years old now, but not considered classic because they are in full service, and loads of them are about ;)
OK Tunnie, but then how and why has your "quantity" statement got anything to do with that?
You are now agreeing that time is the crucial factor in "classic" status :D :D ;) ;)
Ah but does it? Lotus Carlton is a classic, thats not 25 years old.
Jaguar XJ220 again, not 25 years old, but a classic.
Quantity is the crucial factor, and thanks to Omega build, there will be too many about in decades to come to stop it become a classic. Rover SD1's and such, are classics, cause they fell apart days out of the factory, and the are rare!
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I personally don't think that the Omega will become a 'classic' in the yes of most people.
By the time its old enough, I doubt it will have many fans - it didn't have too many followers when it was in production ;D. It can fall into insignificance, along with the other 'has-beens' execs of the era, such as the Rover 800 and the Ford Scorpio (the latter has a better chance of making classic, as it still has a following of ex owners with rose tinted specs).
I don't think numbers come into it - the 2CV was a classic in many peoples eyes, even when still in production. Same with the proper Mini.
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No, too many made
So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?
When does quantity not come into a classic equation?
Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?
Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.
Never does or has.
As a rule of thumb its a car that is 25+ years old.
An antique car is 45+ years.
So no, totaly wrong, numbers have bugger all to do with it :y
Disagree, numbers have everything to do with it.
They only reason they become classics at 25 years, is because they are rare. Been destroyed over the years from rust, accidents and replacement models.
If every single Jag E Type was still on the road that were built, would they be considered classics?
Put it this way... Great Western's HST Fleet is 25 years old, are they considered Classic? No, they are common as muck on that line. steam train from the same era though, which no longer runs main line commuter services, is considered 'classic'
Tunnie, do your F-ing research for once.....classic status has NOTHING to do with numbers.
Your opinion plays no part in it, in this case, consider it something you have now learned
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All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.
Classics have to be low in numbers!
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
Them and Moranos are last of the V cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
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All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.
Classics have to be low in numbers!
People are breaking Omegas to put the engines in to shopping trollies
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Classics have to be low in numbers!
Not necessarily. It has to be something special/unique.
My ZX10, for example, is considered by most in the biking world to be a classic - it was something special in its day, and many enthusiasts had one, or dreamed of having one. There are still loads about.
The proper Mini. Nobody would argue that its a classic. Millions of them still about. But it is a unique icon.
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
Them and Moranos are last of the V cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29
VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
Them and Moranos are last of the V cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29
VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number
Why do you say the VXR8 will be a classic? I don't think it will be :-/
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
Them and Moranos are last of the V cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29
VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number
Why do you say the VXR8 will be a classic? I don't think it will be :-/
Something special about it, unlike the Omega its a M5 for Vauxhall Money,
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
Them and Moranos are last of the V cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29
VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number
Why do you say the VXR8 will be a classic? I don't think it will be :-/
Something special about it, unlike the Omega its a M5 for Vauxhall Money,
I don't think there is anything truely special about it - it hasn't got anything truely unique - its just another basic V8 saloon.
I would love one, as would a lot of people, but that doesn't make it a classic. Its simply not anything special in its era.
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All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.
Classics have to be low in numbers!
I suspect that there will be much fewer of the modern cars about.
The complexity and large number of controllers, displays etc on them means that they are going to be mega hard to keep running long term, modern body materials will be the least of the worries (although steel is still the chassis material of choice so that will continue to be a place for concern)
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Sorry but I must point out some facts on that statement.
I don't know where you have got that information from, but it is widely recognised in steam circles that Stanier's Black Five's were a highly praised engine. Among numerous statements made over the years by ex-LMS / BRM footplate crew, two of which I met, the likes of Eric Tracy, there is specifically ex-Midland Driver J.R.Carter, who states in his book Working Steam (1976) that Black 5's were "the firm favourite of locomen". In addition Brain Haresnape, in his book Stanier Locomotives (1970) states they were "one of the most successful and popular classes of locomotive ever constructed", which echoes not only the feelings of the old steam sheds allocated that class, but the feelings of the modern preservation movement who have close on 20 either rebuilt or awaiting restoration of the 842 originally constructed. Believe me they were always loved and still are, being a true classic of British railway engineering. :D :D ;) ;)
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.
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I got 1962 ford consul 375, 1965 5litre p6 rover and am in a classic club
as for too many made bland etc.
EVERY show I been to gets LOADS an LOADS of MGB's
I think in 10 yrs or so they will.
After all how many cars from 80's do you see?
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
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I got 1962 ford consul 375, 1965 5litre p6 rover and am in a classic club
as for too many made bland etc. .....
:-? :-? ;)
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Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!
I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.
There is always the exception to the rule with anything Mark :D :D :y :y
Not everyone in steam days liked working on steam engines at all after all! ::) ::) ::) ;)
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
Quite agree! Cracking machines in opinion but some people hated them too.
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yes ANDY B
I did say 5 litre V8 Basically bored an stroked rover!!!
BUT still prefer the comfort,quiet an smooth drive of my miggy
would get rid of the other cars an wife etc THAN get rid of my miggy!!!!! :y :y
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.
There is always the exception to the rule with anything Mark :D :D :y :y
Not everyone in steam days liked working on steam engines at all after all! ::) ::) ::) ;)
Yes, was surprised myself, he loved steam and left 5 years after diesel traction arrived as he found it boring.
He drove a lot of the greats to including Mallard and Sir Nige and was based out of Colwick in Nottingham (so also drove the Great Central a few times to)
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
Quite agree! Cracking machines in opinion but some people hated them too.
Well if your ever over Nottingham way feel free to come and have a look round the one I look after
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yes ANDY B
I did say 5 litre V8 Basically bored an stroked rover!!!
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I'm guessing it wasn't a V8 in the first place. I know the Buick V8 was first put in a P5 in 1968 but don't know much about the P6.
Years ago a mate's dad gave him his old 2.2 TC P6, for the day it went very well :y
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
Quite agree! Cracking machines in opinion but some people hated them too.
Well if your ever over Nottingham way feel free to come and have a look round the one I look after
Cheers for that :)
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
Quite agree! Cracking machines in opinion but some people hated them too.
Well if your ever over Nottingham way feel free to come and have a look round the one I look after
Cheers for that :)
Heres a quick preview of it...
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU-ICo4IcsE[/media]
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yes ANDY B
I cut the engine bay about to fit the v8 it was a 2 litre 4pot
Rover did the same with the experimental v8 buick in 1965(c) reg cars(3 were made).
Was thinking similar route with my miggy But will keep it as it is. :y
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I got 1962 ford consul 375, 1965 5litre p6 rover and am in a classic club
as for too many made bland etc.
EVERY show I been to gets LOADS an LOADS of MGB's
I think in 10 yrs or so they will.
After all how many cars from 80's do you see?
Did you swap the engine or was it already done when you purchased?
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I did it! Dont panic car was a wreck when I got it.
Took me 6 months to do whole car.
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I got 1962 ford consul 375, 1965 5litre p6 rover and am in a classic club
as for too many made bland etc.
EVERY show I been to gets LOADS an LOADS of MGB's
I think in 10 yrs or so they will.
After all how many cars from 80's do you see?
Thats a hell of job to get that sort of cc from that era.
New liners, specialist crank, new rods, new pistons.
Uber challenging, top job :y
I should ask, high risk to. Those early blocks are not very strong and way before the thickened webs and cross bolts
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I did it! Dont panic car was a wreck when I got it.
Took me 6 months to do whole car.
I asked, because the P6 didn't have the V8 until 1968.
I've owned a 1966 P6 2000SC, a 1976 P6 2200TC & a 1974 V8 Auto :y Countless SD1's too :)
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no m8 used 3.9 block chevy pistons an pontiac rods
also put girdle on bottom end-like the miggy got
ITS fun in a straight line but a real boat on corners still its only fun-right! ;D
now its got weathered(leave it outside) it looks original
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The remainders will be classics due to
1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles
2) Last of V cars
3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are
If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'
Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8
Them and Moranos are last of the V cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29
VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number
Post V car though
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All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.
Classics have to be low in numbers!
I suspect that there will be much fewer of the modern cars about.
The complexity and large number of controllers, displays etc on them means that they are going to be mega hard to keep running long term, modern body materials will be the least of the worries (although steel is still the chassis material of choice so that will continue to be a place for concern)
Hence my thoughts
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no m8 used 3.9 block chevy pistons an pontiac rods
also put girdle on bottom end-like the miggy got
ITS fun in a straight line but a real boat on corners still its only fun-right! ;D
now its got weathered(leave it outside) it looks original
Very sensible, I have seen a few of the pre SD1 blocks with cracked webs :y
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Sorry but I must point out some facts on that statement.
I don't know where you have got that information from, but it is widely recognised in steam circles that Stanier's Black Five's were a highly praised engine. Among numerous statements made over the years by ex-LMS / BRM footplate crew, two of which I met, the likes of Eric Tracy, there is specifically ex-Midland Driver J.R.Carter, who states in his book Working Steam (1976) that Black 5's were "the firm favourite of locomen". In addition Brain Haresnape, in his book Stanier Locomotives (1970) states they were "one of the most successful and popular classes of locomotive ever constructed", which echoes not only the feelings of the old steam sheds allocated that class, but the feelings of the modern preservation movement who have close on 20 either rebuilt or awaiting restoration of the 842 originally constructed. Believe me they were always loved and still are, being a true classic of British railway engineering. :D :D ;) ;)
There were two better rated locomotives of that size.
1) BR Type 5, like a Black 5 but better.
2) GWR Hall to my mind the best class 5 steam loco
Read the Peter Smith books
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Footplate-Over-Mendips-Peter-Smith/dp/086093022X
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mendips-Engineman-Peter-W-Smith/dp/0902888587/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1286657361&sr=1-2
But then they really loved the 9Fs, they drove the BR and LMS class 5s regularly, but have seen the sheer ability of the Halls.
But then the Black 5 is basically an LMSed Hall
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The Sulzer lump is not exactly great the 16CSVT is a better lump in that power range
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It will most likely be the poverty spec models that reach 'classic' status first, simply due to lower numbers produced and resulting rarity/originality factor.
Just look on here. Everyone and their granny wants either an Elite with all the toys or an MV6! ;D
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Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!
I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.
What region did he drive for?
Was he a lover of all products Swindon?
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.
There is always the exception to the rule with anything Mark :D :D :y :y
Not everyone in steam days liked working on steam engines at all after all! ::) ::) ::) ;)
Yes, was surprised myself, he loved steam and left 5 years after diesel traction arrived as he found it boring.
He drove a lot of the greats to including Mallard and Sir Nige and was based out of Colwick in Nottingham (so also drove the Great Central a few times to)
No wonder he hated Black 5s he was an LNER man at heart
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first engine I built was an early 3.5 to 3.9 BLEW rod out of side and that was racing an E-type up the M40!! Now I can out drag a ferrari In fact did that on the way back from Gaydon's spring classic!! Don't think he liked that,my mrs was laughin her socks off!!! ;D
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Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.
A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction ;D :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The Sulzer lump is not exactly great the 16CSVT is a better lump in that power range
Who are you trying to kid.....50's were never known for there good engines lol.
The biggest issue with the EE and later derivatives was a naff cam timing setup and to low a compression....hence mega smoke at cold start and very variable power outputs.
The Sulzer had issues early on due to the Barrow boys not being used to the construction, following re-works and crank balancing they proved very reliable prime movers. :y
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Hmm
me and the mrs was talking the other day on the way to gibralter(filled tank for 44quid :y)about whether or not to get another mig,
And i said i have no idea how long i can keep the old bus running, she replied well its almost a classic now anyway!!!
and suppose she is right after all how many other 94td,s
are still running around with virtually no rust? :y
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.
There is always the exception to the rule with anything Mark :D :D :y :y
Not everyone in steam days liked working on steam engines at all after all! ::) ::) ::) ;)
Yes, was surprised myself, he loved steam and left 5 years after diesel traction arrived as he found it boring.
He drove a lot of the greats to including Mallard and Sir Nige and was based out of Colwick in Nottingham (so also drove the Great Central a few times to)
No wonder he hated Black 5s he was an LNER man at heart
Quite the contary, he said that during the last 10 years of steam they were knackered and falling apart, many you could see the fire through the lower sections of the fire box. Mainly due to poor maintenance, the others were better cared for :y
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....on the way to gibralter(filled tank for 44quid :y) .....
thanks Graeme! :-? :-? :-? It costs more than that to fill the Astra shed here >:(
;) ;) :y :y :y :y
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....on the way to gibralter(filled tank for 44quid :y) .....
thanks Graeme! :-? :-? :-? It costs more than that to fill the Astra shed here >:(
;) ;) :y :y :y :y
lol yeh gib is ok as its tax free but sheeeiiitttt trying to get in :'(from the time we arrived at the roundabout to getting in took just over an hour and its les than half a mile!!!!
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I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.
Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.
The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc
Sorry but I must point out some facts on that statement.
I don't know where you have got that information from, but it is widely recognised in steam circles that Stanier's Black Five's were a highly praised engine. Among numerous statements made over the years by ex-LMS / BRM footplate crew, two of which I met, the likes of Eric Tracy, there is specifically ex-Midland Driver J.R.Carter, who states in his book Working Steam (1976) that Black 5's were "the firm favourite of locomen". In addition Brain Haresnape, in his book Stanier Locomotives (1970) states they were "one of the most successful and popular classes of locomotive ever constructed", which echoes not only the feelings of the old steam sheds allocated that class, but the feelings of the modern preservation movement who have close on 20 either rebuilt or awaiting restoration of the 842 originally constructed. Believe me they were always loved and still are, being a true classic of British railway engineering. :D :D ;) ;)
There were two better rated locomotives of that size.
1) BR Type 5, like a Black 5 but better.
2) GWR Hall to my mind the best class 5 steam loco
Read the Peter Smith books
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Footplate-Over-Mendips-Peter-Smith/dp/086093022X
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mendips-Engineman-Peter-W-Smith/dp/0902888587/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1286657361&sr=1-2
But then they really loved the 9Fs, they drove the BR and LMS class 5s regularly, but have seen the sheer ability of the Halls.
But then the Black 5 is basically an LMSed Hall
They were the Standard 5's and were strongly based on the Stanier design but with 'modern' features like raised running plates for ease of maintenence, Timkin roller bearings, and had the Southern type clack valves in place of the original Stanier versions, but the boiler itself very much based on the very successful Stanier design, as developed by Ivatt. The Standard Black Five's were of course superior to the Stanier versions as 20 years had elasped between the two designs, with improvements to valves, pistons, and motion!! ::) ::)
The Standard 5 was developed by Ivatt, who, along with Riddles, worked under Stanier at the LMS, so brought LMS ideas to the table of the new Standard designs. Indeed they were in the main successful, but with a few less successful classes, such as the Class 6P 'Clans' and Class 8P, Duke of Gloucester, later found in preservation to have had the ash pans wrongly constructed thus restricting the drafting!!
As for the LMS Black Five's being basically GWR Halls, that is hardly surprising given that Stanier had worked for the GWR under G.J. Churchward, being greatly influenced by GWR practice, which he took onto the LMS. This included the 'Standardisation' of parts policy that Churchward had eargerly developed, which continued to the end of BR steam! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
As for the 9F's they were liked, but they were unfortunately designed and built late in the twilight of BR steam. As you know no doubt they were introduced in 1954, but with the last one, 92220 Evening Star, constructed at Swindon in 1960, indeed the very last steam engine built for BR. :'( :'(
Love the links Martin! Thanks :y :y :y
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yes ANDY B
I cut the engine bay about to fit the v8 it was a 2 litre 4pot
Rover did the same with the experimental v8 buick in 1965(c) reg cars(3 were made).
Was thinking similar route with my miggy But will keep it as it is. :y
why fit a bigger less powerful engine?
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No ANDY B the engine WAS a 2 litre 4pot I put in 5 litre v8 :y
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but sheeeiiitttt trying to get in :' .....
I've only been via Grey Funnel Line! :y :y :y
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I love how you guys go from arguing vehemently what constitutes a classic car...
to arguing vehemently the relative merits of various steam trains...
;D ;D
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I love how you guys go from arguing vehemently what constitutes a classic car...
to arguing vehemently the relative merits of various steam trains...
;D ;D
Yes indeed, as it is the OOF!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
It's what we do here 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
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GOT IT !!!! ;D Perfect classic! Steam powered Omega-OBVIOUS
Rare,limited production run ;D :D
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I love how you guys go from arguing vehemently what constitutes a classic car...
to arguing vehemently the relative merits of various steam trains...
;D ;D
Yes indeed, as it is the OOF!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
It's what we do here 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
It reminds me of a certain Python scene.. ;D
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GOT IT !!!! ;D Perfect classic! Steam powered Omega-OBVIOUS
Rare,limited production run ;D :D
When can we build it?? :D :D :D :D :D
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I love how you guys go from arguing vehemently what constitutes a classic car...
to arguing vehemently the relative merits of various steam trains...
;D ;D
Yes indeed, as it is the OOF!! ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
It's what we do here 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :y
It reminds me of a certain Python scene.. ;D
................and now for something different
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM[/media]
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Probably the most diverse thread I have EVER read on ANY forum.
Bookmarked to never read again! ;D
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Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!
I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.
What region did he drive for?
Was he a lover of all products Swindon?
GWR/Western region. He was at stafford road so yes loved all things from Swindon....like me ;D
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Its all good harmless fun at the end of the day. There has always been banter regards steam engines etc ;D
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Its all good harmless fun at the end of the day. There has always been banter regards steam engines etc ;D
Dead right!! :y :y :y :y :y
If anyone mixes in steam preservation groups and societies as I do they soon find out how diverse the people and their opinions are on GWR vs. LMS vs. SR vs. LNER, Bulleid Merchant Navies vs. Gresley A4's vs. Stanier's Coronation Class, the merits or not of British, LMS, Garrets, etc, etc, etc!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :y :y
It is such fun to be involved in and read about!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!
I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.
What region did he drive for?
Was he a lover of all products Swindon?
GWR/Western region. He was at stafford road so yes loved all things from Swindon....like me ;D
Railway companyism comes into this a lot ;D ;D
What railway are you involved with?
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Its all good harmless fun at the end of the day. There has always been banter regards steam engines etc ;D
Dead right!! :y :y :y :y :y
If anyone mixes in steam preservation groups and societies as I do they soon find out how diverse the people and their opinions are on GWR vs. LMS vs. SR vs. LNER, Bulleid Merchant Navies vs. Gresley A4's vs. Stanier's Coronation Class, the merits or not of British, LMS, Garrets, etc, etc, etc!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :y :y
It is such fun to be involved in and read about!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
And it carries on into the Diesel era, and example woutd be Mark and me with Type 4s.
Mark is a fan of 47s and I am a fan of 50s, quite a few are fans of Westerns.
Now I have had some spectacular runs behind a 50, I think I managed to get a ride behind one of th euprated experiments - 1 fifty was temporary rauunig at 3200bhp or 3150bhp (30 odd years ago)
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So, to save people reading 7 pages, in summary...
1) Most think Omega will not become a classic
2) Tunnie thinks the VXR8 will become a classic
3) Lizzie Zoom thinks some old steamer is a classic
4) Marks DTM Calibra thinks a Type 47 Loco is a classic
5) TheBoy agrees with 1) but disagrees with 2),3),4)
;D
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I thank you. :y ;D........I also agree on points 1 - 4. ;)
I think some people are confusing "classic" with "A classic which is (or will be )sought after/desirable/valuable etc. A car becomes a classic when it reaches a certain age - simples.
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what do you mean will it
it already is ;)
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Its all good harmless fun at the end of the day. There has always been banter regards steam engines etc ;D
Dead right!! :y :y :y :y :y
If anyone mixes in steam preservation groups and societies as I do they soon find out how diverse the people and their opinions are on GWR vs. LMS vs. SR vs. LNER, Bulleid Merchant Navies vs. Gresley A4's vs. Stanier's Coronation Class, the merits or not of British, LMS, Garrets, etc, etc, etc!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :y :y
It is such fun to be involved in and read about!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
And it carries on into the Diesel era, and example woutd be Mark and me with Type 4s.
Mark is a fan of 47s and I am a fan of 50s, quite a few are fans of Westerns.
Now I have had some spectacular runs behind a 50, I think I managed to get a ride behind one of th euprated experiments - 1 fifty was temporary rauunig at 3200bhp or 3150bhp (30 odd years ago)
Believe it or not Martin I am a fan of all three!! :y :y :y :y
I have ridden behind a Western (and Warship), 47, but never behind a 50. The latter I used to admire when they came through Bristol Temple Meads in the 80s. Most impressive sound! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
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There are some good shots on Youtube of a 50 and Deltic double heading
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So, to save people reading 7 pages, in summary...
1) Most think Omega will not become a classic
2) Tunnie thinks the VXR8 will become a classic
3) Lizzie Zoom thinks some old steamer is a classic
4) Marks DTM Calibra thinks a Type 47 Loco is a classic
5) TheBoy agrees with 1) but disagrees with 2),3),4)
;D
;D ;D ;D Nice summary there TB ;)
There are some good shots on Youtube of a 50 and Deltic double heading
Well that just sounds like something pornographic..
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have a working steam railway/ museum 2 miles to the east of me and another 6 miles to the west. I visited each of them once about 20 years ago out of curiosity, never been back since. ::) :-X
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There are some good shots on Youtube of a 50 and Deltic double heading
Now you are talking classics Martin, with even hardened Steam fanatics like me lovvvvvving them!! :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-) 8-)
These are the classics of today (and turn your sound FULL up!!!):
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzgmuI4tGhs&feature=related[/media]
:y :y :y :y :y :y :y
The Omega has a long way to go before it can be the car equivilant of this classic railway icon! :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!
I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.
What region did he drive for?
Was he a lover of all products Swindon?
GWR/Western region. He was at stafford road so yes loved all things from Swindon....like me ;D
Railway companyism comes into this a lot ;D ;D
What railway are you involved with?
Yes just a bit ;D I don't mind the black 5's I prefer the unique stephensons valve geared one though.
Involved with the SVR and have been for the past 18 years or so.
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Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!
I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.
What region did he drive for?
Was he a lover of all products Swindon?
GWR/Western region. He was at stafford road so yes loved all things from Swindon....like me ;D
Railway companyism comes into this a lot ;D ;D
What railway are you involved with?
Yes just a bit ;D I don't mind the black 5's I prefer the unique stephensons valve geared one though.
Involved with the SVR and have been for the past 18 years or so.
Yes, No. 4767, built at Crewe with outside Stephenso link motion, along with Timken roller bearings and double blastpipe and chimney :y :y He also developed the Caprotti geared Black Fives under BR ownership, M4748- 44757 (Crewe), 44738-44747(Crewe), and 44686-44687 (Horwich).
One of a number of experimental Black Five engines by H.G. Ivatt whilst still at the LMS. He of course went on into BR days to produce the Standard 5, which was a great development of Stanier's original product.
NB For those who wish to know, the Walschaert, Stephenson, and the unique Bulleid Chain valve drive system, all involve interconnected reciprocating valve gears, driving valve spindles, for admission, expansion, exhaust and compression, acting together.
With Caprotti valve gearing it is all done by cams (very modern and car like) and rotating shafts, to put it simply.
Strangely the Caprotti valve gear never became widespread in British railway engineering. ;) ;)
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I was a member of GWR for years 1981 on but credit crunch meant it was one of the first things to go.
I have loads of video of the GWR
For you some SVR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yju-s2ZpH-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawvApMIg-o
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I was a member of GWR for years 1981 on but credit crunch meant it was one of the first things to go.
I have loads of video of the GWR
For you some SVR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yju-s2ZpH-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawvApMIg-o
Really great videos there Martin!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Outside of the MHR, I have always held the SVR in the highest esteem. In fact it was the steam railway that in 1976 reminded me, and my ex, of what live steam was like!! We wanted more, and thus joined the Mid Hants Railway! :-* :-* :-* 8-)
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So, to save people reading 7 pages, in summary...
1) Most think Omega will not become a classic
2) Tunnie thinks the VXR8 will become a classic
3) Lizzie Zoom thinks some old steamer is a classic
4) Marks DTM Calibra thinks a Type 47 Loco is a classic
5) TheBoy agrees with 1) but disagrees with 2),3),4)
;D
looks like we need a train spotters section.....
::)
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With a few hooks to hang the anoraks on. ;) ::) :D ;D
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With a few hooks to hang the anoraks on. ;) ::) :D ;D
with the owners still wearing them ;D
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Better make sure it's near a railway line.. with some windows.. and binoculars.. and notepads to write the numbers down in...
;)
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I was a member of GWR for years 1981 on but credit crunch meant it was one of the first things to go.
I have loads of video of the GWR
For you some SVR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yju-s2ZpH-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVtyEQKDrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawvApMIg-o
Thanks for the all the info there...I'll watch those when I get chance.
All the preserved railways are good in there own way. It would be unfair for to say the svr is as I work there. Nice to own a great car to visit them in comfort and style ;D
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Better make sure it's near a railway line.. with some windows.. and binoculars.. and notepads to write the numbers down in...
;)
In the ticket office perhaps...? if thet even have such a thing these days? lock the door and leave em there! ;D
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Personally I have always fancied a lovely, cosy, snug, signalbox 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
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Personally I have always fancied a lovely, cosy, snug, signalbox 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
Now that just ain't right. :o :-?
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And of course, the Omega will be a classic.......... once they are 25 years old.
Will it be a popular classic.....unlikely.
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Personally I have always fancied a lovely, cosy, snug, signalbox 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
Now that just ain't right. :o :-?
I think there was a TV show about that kind of thing recently.. a bit like this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2074301/Woman-with-objects-fetish-marries-Eiffel-Tower.html
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Personally I have always fancied a lovely, cosy, snug, signalbox 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
Now that just ain't right. :o :-?
I think there was a TV show about that kind of thing recently.. a bit like this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2074301/Woman-with-objects-fetish-marries-Eiffel-Tower.html
Well, whats wrong with loving a signalbox, a tower, or an Omega? :o :o :o
I would of course hope to have a lovely warm, romantic man with me in the signalbox...........!! :D :D :D :D ;)
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And of course, the Omega will be a classic.......... once they are 25 years old.
Will it be a popular classic.....unlikely.
What's it known for? Taxis and plod cars.... Not a hope, but I suppose it depends on our interpretation of the word classic?
For me, a classic is something people talk about for years to come, who never had one but still aspire to own one one day. The omega fit that bill? No chance. IMO.
Only reason they being snapped up at auctions is because top of the range models might earn a few quid, nothing more, sadly.... :(
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What's it known for? Taxis and plod cars.... Not a hope, but I suppose it depends on our interpretation of the word classic?
But the Allegro is a classic to some.. and what's it known for? Besides having a square steering wheel (mine, sadly, was not one of the desirable square wheeled models..) - or the Morris Minor, what's it known for? Although I suppose you could say that one was one of the cars that brought affordable motoring to the masses (along with the Mini)
It's all a bit like asking what the definition of a "Supercar" is - everyone has a different definition ;)
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And of course, the Omega will be a classic.......... once they are 25 years old.
Will it be a popular classic.....unlikely.
What's it known for? Taxis and plod cars.... Not a hope, but I suppose it depends on our interpretation of the word classic?
For me, a classic is something people talk about for years to come, who never had one but still aspire to own one one day. The omega fit that bill? No chance. IMO.
Only reason they being snapped up at auctions is because top of the range models might earn a few quid, nothing more, sadly.... :(
Thats where it gets interesting.
Your describing a popular classic.
It will be a classic because a classic is defined as a car of 25+ years of age. Just the same as a Maxi or a Princess is a classic :y
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They ain't classics in my book, they should have put a tin can factory smack on the end of the leyland production line IMO. :P
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Btw, all you train spotters need to be watching antiques road show from Swindon steam museum.
Sigh. ;D
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Btw, all you train spotters need to be watching antiques road show from Swindon steam museum.
Sigh. ;D
Thanks Chris! :y :y :y
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Personally I have always fancied a lovely, cosy, snug, box 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
Me too :P :P :-* :-* ;D
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Btw, all you train spotters need to be watching antiques road show from Swindon steam museum.
Sigh. ;D
Thanks Chris! :y :y :y
Tell you what LZ, you need to visit that place, designer shopping outlet right next door, Zoom heaven surely? ;)
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Btw, all you train spotters need to be watching antiques road show from Swindon steam museum.
Sigh. ;D
Thanks Chris! :y :y :y
Tell you what LZ, you need to visit that place, designer shopping outlet right next door, Zoom heaven surely? ;)
hehehehehehe! Chris I have many times!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Indeed you are so right; Zoom Heaven of the greatest magnitude! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :D :D :D
Last night Chris, thanks to your warning, I "copped" 9F 92220 Evening Star, Castle Class 4073 Caerphilly Castle, and broad gauge replica North Star 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;) ;)
Thanks again :-* :-* :-*
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I have become bored with another thread, so for fun this IS a BRAND NEW classic, the exception to the rule:
A1 60163 Typhoon
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/60163Typhoon.jpg)
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