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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: The Red Baron on 26 October 2010, 22:32:04
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ok, i have been given a vehicle from a friend who is in prison, i have the v5, mot & keys. the vehicle has been taken & stored by a mate of the THEN owners permision. however, having been to organise collection of said vehicle this chap wants £100. off me before he lets it go. now, i as far as im concerned dont owe a bean for it. is this a case for the police?.
thanks. jon. :-?
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ok, i have been given a vehicle from a friend who is in prison, i have the v5, mot & keys. the vehicle has been taken & stored by a mate of the THEN owners permision. however, having been to organise collection of said vehicle this chap wants £100. off me before he lets it go. now, i as far as im concerned dont owe a bean for it. is this a case for the police?.
thanks. jon. :-?
I suppose it depends on what arrangements were made between your mate and the bloke who has been storing it. He might say the £100 is his fee for storage ..... :-/ :-/ :-/
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ok, i have been given a vehicle from a friend who is in prison, i have the v5, mot & keys. the vehicle has been taken & stored by a mate of the THEN owners permision. however, having been to organise collection of said vehicle this chap wants £100. off me before he lets it go. now, i as far as im concerned dont owe a bean for it. is this a case for the police?.
thanks. jon. :-?
I suppose it depends on what arrangements were made between your mate and the bloke who has been storing it. He might say the £100 is his fee for storage ..... :-/ :-/ :-/
this is what i believe, but should he not trace it from my mate in prison, as this was not an arangement made by myself.
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ok, i have been given a vehicle from a friend who is in prison, i have the v5, mot & keys. the vehicle has been taken & stored by a mate of the THEN owners permision. however, having been to organise collection of said vehicle this chap wants £100. off me before he lets it go. now, i as far as im concerned dont owe a bean for it. is this a case for the police?.
thanks. jon. :-?
I suppose it depends on what arrangements were made between your mate and the bloke who has been storing it. He might say the £100 is his fee for storage ..... :-/ :-/ :-/
this is what i believe, but should he not trace it from my mate in prison, as this was not an arangement made by myself.
True, but if you put yourself in his shoes, who's he most easily going to get his £100 from? You or a bloke in prison? ;) ;)
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ok, i have been given a vehicle from a friend who is in prison, i have the v5, mot & keys. the vehicle has been taken & stored by a mate of the THEN owners permision. however, having been to organise collection of said vehicle this chap wants £100. off me before he lets it go. now, i as far as im concerned dont owe a bean for it. is this a case for the police?.
thanks. jon. :-?
I suppose it depends on what arrangements were made between your mate and the bloke who has been storing it. He might say the £100 is his fee for storage ..... :-/ :-/ :-/
this is what i believe, but should he not trace it from my mate in prison, as this was not an arangement made by myself.
True, but if you put yourself in his shoes, who's he most easily going to get his £100 from? You or a bloke in prison? ;) ;)
i agree andy, but legally its not my responsability surely.
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Yep. Sadly i think the police might just sneer and tell you politely to go away. Again, I suppose small claims courts etc. Basically, you've got to contact 'the queen's guest' and find out what arrangement he had.
To put if another way, if you just pay up and look happy, does this mean you've 'bought' a car for 100 quid? If so thats gotta be a bargain! :)
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bought a car /similar circumstance. once on the road , forever being pulled ...
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I would pay up. The longer he keeps it in storage the more he is likely to charge.
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bought a car /similar circumstance. once on the road , forever being pulled ...
You can get the mark removed. Contact your local police and explain that the vehicle has a mark but you have recently purchased it. They should take the mark off then :y
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Contact your local police and explain that the vehicle has a mark but ......
Would they agree with you that there is such a thing? ::)
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I would pay up. The longer he keeps it in storage the more he is likely to charge.
Yes, I would agree with KP here even though the overall arrangement is messy - vehicle owned by someone known to the police, vehicle being held by an acquaintance of previous owner and so on.
You would also have to be confident that the vehicle was indeed owned by your friend (to preclude registration difficulties or someone else laying claim to it) and that by parting with the 'fee' the present keeper discharged all interest in it.
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Would they agree with you that there is such a thing? ::)
Having been in the audience of one of the local Police force's ANPR managers earlier this week I can report that there are several such things. It's incredible what they can achieve with a bit of data mining. :o
He did say that, if you end up with a car that's got "form" or has been cloned, etc. they will issue you with a letter that you can produce if stopped.
Kevin
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ok, i have been given a vehicle from a friend who is in prison, i have the v5, mot & keys. the vehicle has been taken & stored by a mate of the THEN owners permision. however, having been to organise collection of said vehicle this chap wants £100. off me before he lets it go. now, i as far as im concerned dont owe a bean for it. is this a case for the police?.
thanks. jon. :-?
I suppose it depends on what arrangements were made between your mate and the bloke who has been storing it. He might say the £100 is his fee for storage ..... :-/ :-/ :-/
this is what i believe, but should he not trace it from my mate in prison, as this was not an arangement made by myself.
The area of law here appears to be bailment.
"The custodian must have physical control with the intent to maintain possession of an item to create a bailment. All involved parties decide on the terms and expectations. The law was created to protect both the bailor and the bailee. So, when items are left in a storage facility beyond the paid period, for example, the law protects the bailee, who can dispose of the items according to the bailment contract. However, if the storage facility owner fails to protect the items, the bailment protects the bailor who can sue for liability. If the facility owner did not have keys, however, a court could rule that the the owner did not have either "physical control" or "intent to posses".
Usually, bailment is an agreement through paid service such as paid storage. That way, the custodian has incentive to protect the goods. Constructive bailment is when laws surrounding abandoned property require the bailee to continue to care for the items. An example might be when a hotel guest checks out, but forgets a suitcase in the hotel room. Gratuitous bailment means there is no payment for the service such as free attended cloak or locker rooms or even borrowing a library book.
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If you try and get the police involved, they will say "it's a civil matter".
Basically the storer is holding your car as security against getting paid for the storage.
Even a small claims court would probably find in the storers favour.
Best bet would be to pay the £100, get a receipt, then try to get it back off your convict friend.
If the storer is a "chancer", try haggling.
Is the car worth £100?
You will get more informed (I mean greater quantity, not neccessarily better information!) answers from the consumer action group forum.
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If you try and get the police involved, they will say "it's a civil matter".
Basically the storer is holding your car as security against getting paid for the storage.
Even a small claims court would probably find in the storers favour.
Best bet would be to pay the £100, get a receipt, then try to get it back off your convict friend.
If the storer is a "chancer", try haggling.
Is the car worth £100?
You will get more informed (I mean greater quantity, not neccessarily better information!) answers from the consumer action group forum.
Agreed. Indicate that you are paying "under protest", take the car and then see if there is any avenue open to you. In particular, you need to find out on what terms the storage of the car was arranged. I'm guessing that anything more than a small claims court action will cost you many times your outlay though.
Depends on your attitude towards the car, to be honest. If it's worth thousands and you want it, may as well stomach the £100. :-/
If it's a shed and not worth shelling out the £100, leave it with the current custodian. You have the keys and the V5 so it's not going anywhere. When it becomes a pain in the @ss to him he'll be begging you to take it away. ;D
Kevin
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This is where we find out that its a '70s Rolls-Royce, or something and definitely worth 100quid!
Cant really imagine what state a car would have to be in to NOT be worth the money. (my local scrappy's offering 125 for any car, for example)
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not if it costs 50 quid to deliver it to the scrappy...
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
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who's the legal owner and/or registered keeper of the vehicle?
who is responsible for the vehicle? ie, who is sorning it?
although you're in posession of documents, if this car is gonna bring any aggro, i'd say have nothing to do with it, and return the documents to the owner upon their release
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
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who's the legal owner and/or registered keeper of the vehicle?
*he has passed ownership to me via letter.
*i have the v5 with his signature ready to put in my name.
who is responsible for the vehicle? ie, who is sorning it?
*tax ran out end august, dont know its status as yet. must check online.
although you're in posession of documents, if this car is gonna bring any aggro, i'd say have nothing to do with it, and return the documents to the owner upon their release
* which may or maybe not up to ten years. :o
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
its been hidden thats the point, & the guy in the middle wont tell me where, just wants his 100 quid >:(
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
its been hidden thats the point, & the guy in the middle wont tell me where, just wants his 100 quid >:(
Ah! :-? pole, touch & barge now springs to mind. :y
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
its been hidden thats the point, & the guy in the middle wont tell me where, just wants his 100 quid >:(
Ah! :-? pole, touch & barge now springs to mind. :y
ummm. i will persue this. its just not right.
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not if it costs 50 quid to deliver it to the scrappy...
But it doesn't cost 50 quid to deliver to the scrappy. They'll collect it. Then give you 125 quid. Hence why I said ''my local scrappy's offering 125 for any car''
Because they are. :D :D
DON'T like the sound of the fact that he won't even tell you where the motor is, Red Baron. I'm with Mr. Barge Pole on this!!! Unless things get a bit more legit you can't go giving people money for the promise of something. Unless you're in Amsterdam at the time. Then it's fine.
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
its been hidden thats the point, & the guy in the middle wont tell me where, just wants his 100 quid >:(
Well I will take a punt, there is a £100 sitting here in exchange for the car and what is in it....... :y :y
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So long as you DEFINITELY will get the car after money has changed hands. Dont want to see you get ripped off, Red Baron.
You could always come after him with one of these, though...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/RedFokkerTriplane.jpg)
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who's the legal owner and/or registered keeper of the vehicle?
*he has passed ownership to me via letter.
*i have the v5 with his signature ready to put in my name.
who is responsible for the vehicle? ie, who is sorning it?
*tax ran out end august, dont know its status as yet. must check online.
although you're in posession of documents, if this car is gonna bring any aggro, i'd say have nothing to do with it, and return the documents to the owner upon their release
* which may or maybe not up to ten years. :o
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Begs the question what tools are in it (safebreaking? :D)and/or who do they really belong to? ::) ;)
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
its been hidden thats the point, & the guy in the middle wont tell me where, just wants his 100 quid >:(
Well I will take a punt, there is a £100 sitting here in exchange for the car and what is in it....... :y :y
Just been & had a looksee Mike, you might want to put your money back in the piggybank ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab197/philrich1064/3239852548_738b769e0b_m.jpg)
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who's the legal owner and/or registered keeper of the vehicle?
*he has passed ownership to me via letter.
*i have the v5 with his signature ready to put in my name.
who is responsible for the vehicle? ie, who is sorning it?
*tax ran out end august, dont know its status as yet. must check online.
although you're in posession of documents, if this car is gonna bring any aggro, i'd say have nothing to do with it, and return the documents to the owner upon their release
* which may or maybe not up to ten years. :o
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Begs the question what tools are in it (safebreaking? :D)and/or who do they really belong to? ::) ;)
.. and how many uncooperative witnesses in black sacks, etc...
Sounds dodgy to me.
Kevin
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who's the legal owner and/or registered keeper of the vehicle?
*he has passed ownership to me via letter.
*i have the v5 with his signature ready to put in my name.
who is responsible for the vehicle? ie, who is sorning it?
*tax ran out end august, dont know its status as yet. must check online.
although you're in posession of documents, if this car is gonna bring any aggro, i'd say have nothing to do with it, and return the documents to the owner upon their release
* which may or maybe not up to ten years. :o
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Begs the question what tools are in it (safebreaking? :D)and/or who do they really belong to? ::) ;)
no nothing to do with that, ive known this chap over 30 years. i wouldnt like to say why he,s away tbh.
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So long as you DEFINITELY will get the car after money has changed hands. Dont want to see you get ripped off, Red Baron.
You could always come after him with one of these, though...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/RedFokkerTriplane.jpg)
That's one awesome photo!!
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So long as you DEFINITELY will get the car after money has changed hands. Dont want to see you get ripped off, Red Baron.
You could always come after him with one of these, though...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/RedFokkerTriplane.jpg)
That's one awesome photo!!
it is isnt it, that reminds me, didnt you want some pics of my wheels?. :y
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i shall be onto the local plod in the morning for advice.
& yes its worth more than £100 to me.
its a 99 110 landrover defender full of tools. :)
D&B that's where I left it....... ::) ::) ::) must go and collect it, can you remind me where it is please...... :y
its been hidden thats the point, & the guy in the middle wont tell me where, just wants his 100 quid >:(
Well I will take a punt, there is a £100 sitting here in exchange for the car and what is in it....... :y :y
Just been & had a looksee Mike, you might want to put your money back in the piggybank ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab197/philrich1064/3239852548_738b769e0b_m.jpg)
Think you might be right Phil, perhaps I will give it a miss this time.....Thanks anyway... :y
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So long as you DEFINITELY will get the car after money has changed hands. Dont want to see you get ripped off, Red Baron.
You could always come after him with one of these, though...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/RedFokkerTriplane.jpg)
That's one awesome photo!!
it is isnt it, that reminds me, didnt you want some pics of my wheels?. :y
Whatever you want to give me, Herr Red Baron. :y
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if you get a chance no probs looks like you've got your hands full!!!