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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: feeutfo on 11 October 2010, 00:22:59
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...that was green. Definitely green! Must have been speed set it off, 65 in a 50 :-[
I knew they could set traffic light cameras for speed as well, but never encountered one, until now. Arse!
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Was that a single flash or double :o
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And were there 'speed markings' on the road - I didn't think they could use them as speed traps without them (but they do show your speed as you cross a red light without them, AFAIK it's not used to prosecute you for speeding thus the double-check lines aren't needed)
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Was that a single flash or double :o
Looked like a double double, two very quick flashes then two very quick flashes, as opposed to the usual flash...flash. More of a strobe, anyway, it defo went off. :(
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And were there 'speed markings' on the road - I didn't think they could use them as speed traps without them (but they do show your speed as you cross a red light without them, AFAIK it's not used to prosecute you for speeding thus the double-check lines aren't needed)
Just looked on google maps, there are lines through the junction, you will probably know the camera, take the 322 to the m3, last set of lights befor the m3 junction, by bagshot, junction with new road and the 322.
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EEEESHT! (sucks air through teeth)
think you MIGHT just get a NIP in the post bro...................have been through there a few times myself and seen it flash a t people going the other way, would'nt flash for no reason, so..................
Sorry mate.
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EEEESHT! (sucks air through teeth)
think you MIGHT just get a NIP in the post bro...................have been through there a few times myself and seen it flash a t people going the other way, would'nt flash for no reason, so..................
Sorry mate.
Yes, I am expecting a letter. :-[
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Ah yes, I know the junction .. I was going to chastise you for 65 in a 50, but given that stretch of road ;)
I looked on StreetView, though, and I couldn't see the usual speed markings..
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Lets hope your right...
Been through there faster on one wheel on the bike and not a peep. (previos statement is obviosly a complete lie your honour ) ::)
was a while ago though. :-[
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1j7bOVEew0&ob=av2e
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Lets hope your right...
Been through there faster on one wheel on the bike and not a peep. (previos statement is obviosly a complete lie your honour ) ::)
was a while ago though. :-[
I hope you didn't go this far Chris.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZizDt454R5s[/media]
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i know that camera was originally traffic signal now has been changed in the last year to speed and signal camera but my old MD went through it at over 80 and it flashed but didn't hear anything from it IRC
its gonna be a long 14 days
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Suzuki R1 ????????? :-/ :-/ ::)
Chris - could be 3 points and £60 - not a huge deal unless of course you already have a collection of points.
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/July/jul0810-speed-camera-makes-a-mint/_/R-EPI-125296
didnt think they were the same..
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Suzuki R1 ????????? :-/ :-/ ::)
Chris - could be 3 points and £60 - not a huge deal unless of course you already have a collection of points.
License is clean, a mess, but clean, in fact an officer verified it for me a couple of months ago, he thought I had run a red light, I hadn't, but his approach changed after a license check, "that's fine sir, a substantially clean license, have a pleasant evening" we where in slough, we where talking about road wars for a while ;D
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Lets hope your right...
Been through there faster on one wheel on the bike and not a peep. (previos statement is obviosly a complete lie your honour ) ::)
was a while ago though. :-[
I hope you didn't go this far Chris.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZizDt454R5s[/media]
Nah, I can't wheely round corners and the m3 jcn is only 800 yards up the road. ;)
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http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/July/jul0810-speed-camera-makes-a-mint/_/R-EPI-125296
didnt think they were the same..
Yep, that's the type...
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what kind of camera was it? Those new really small ones which are mounted quite high are popular in London now as they are all in one jobbies:
ANPR readers
Speed Camera
Red Light Camera
Ironic really, you speed up to get through on an amber light, but can be done for speeding >:(
Anyone else around you that could have set it off?
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Opps just read above, thats just a redlight one. If you are done, ask for the photo!
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what kind of camera was it? Those new really small ones which are mounted quite high are popular in London now as they are all in one jobbies:
ANPR readers
Speed Camera
Red Light Camera
Ironic really, you speed up to get through on an amber light, but can be done for speeding >:(
Anyone else around you that could have set it off?
I dont remember that manouvre from the highway code ::)
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what kind of camera was it? Those new really small ones which are mounted quite high are popular in London now as they are all in one jobbies:
ANPR readers
Speed Camera
Red Light Camera
Ironic really, you speed up to get through on an amber light, but can be done for speeding >:(
Anyone else around you that could have set it off?
Yep, and if you tread on your anchors to stop for the light and are a few mm across the white line because you're worried about having the following LTI TX4 embedded in your rear end they'll get that on CCTV and do you for that. ;D
Kevin
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what kind of camera was it? Those new really small ones which are mounted quite high are popular in London now as they are all in one jobbies:
ANPR readers
Speed Camera
Red Light Camera
Ironic really, you speed up to get through on an amber light, but can be done for speeding >:(
Anyone else around you that could have set it off?
I dont remember that manouvre from the highway code ::)
On the A4 its always tough call, speed limit is 50, lights change, its quicker to give a boot full and get through, rather than slam on the brakes.
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Tunnie, you may want to brush up...
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You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36]
Deffo no mention of speeding up, or breaking the speedlimit to get through :y
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Tunnie, you may want to brush up...
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You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36]
Deffo no mention of speeding up, or breaking the speedlimit to get through :y
Try that on the A4 at rush hour and you'll get what Kev mentions above, seen it many a time!
Its fine for 30mph limits, but on fast dual carriageways person behind you needs to be alert too!
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You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36]
About a quarter of a mile normally. ;D
Kevin
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Tunnie, you may want to brush up...
175
You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36]
Deffo no mention of speeding up, or breaking the speedlimit to get through :y
The ONLY possible defence, I think.........
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Would not the best way to prevent this happening be to drive within the posted speed limit and 'read' the road ahead as you progressed?
I'm only saying of course, not judging.
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Would not the best way to prevent this happening be to drive within the posted speed limit and 'read' the road ahead as you progressed?
I'm only saying of course, not judging.
That doesn't help when the bloke behind you fails to do so and slams into you at the red light (or amber, when he's assuming you'll gun it through..), though :D
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Would not the best way to prevent this happening be to drive within the posted speed limit and 'read' the road ahead as you progressed?
I'm only saying of course, not judging.
That doesn't help when the bloke behind you fails to do so and slams into you at the red light (or amber, when he's assuming you'll gun it through..), though :D
In the event of a prosecution for disobeying a traffic signal or exceeding the posted speed limit I don't think that's going to be a viable defence on every occasion all the same A.
I'm happy enough to be hit up the rear.
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Would not the best way to prevent this happening be to drive within the posted speed limit and 'read' the road ahead as you progressed?
I'm only saying of course, not judging.
That doesn't help when the bloke behind you fails to do so and slams into you at the red light (or amber, when he's assuming you'll gun it through..), though :D
In the event of a prosecution for disobeying a traffic signal or exceeding the posted speed limit I don't think that's going to be a viable defence on every occasion all the same A.
I'm happy enough to be hit up the rear.
I have a feeling you might regret that sentence! ;D ;D
You're right, of course - it wouldn't be any defence in court, at all.. and generally speaking I try to drive to accommodate the people in front of me, behind me, and beside me - I've had too many close calls in my (relatively short, I suppose!) time behind the wheel to assume anyone else on the road has half a clue about how to drive ;D
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You're right, of course - it wouldn't be any defence in court, at all.. and generally speaking I try to drive to accommodate the people in front of me, behind me, and beside me - I've had too many close calls in my (relatively short, I suppose!) time behind the wheel to assume anyone else on the road has half a clue about how to drive ;D
Yep, especially if "pressing on" in a slightly less "miss daisy" fashion. It's not what you do so much as the r.sole behind / in front / waiting at the next junction is about to do that's worrying.
Accordingly, If approaching lights with someone right on your tail it's probably best not to put yourself in a position where heavy braking is required.
Easy to say until you find you've done just that, of course. ::)
Kevin
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Nope, nobody about. Lights had been green for ages, got to a point where I couldn't stop on time if they had changed and put me foot down to make sure....ching ching...'dangle berries'! :(
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Nope, nobody about. Lights had been green for ages, got to a point where I couldn't stop on time if they had changed and put me foot down to make sure....ching ching...'dangle berries'! :(
I was once flashed by the same camera yrs ago and never heard a thing from it so lets hope you have the same good luck too
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Nope, nobody about. Lights had been green for ages, got to a point where I couldn't stop on time if they had changed and put me foot down to make sure....ching ching...'dangle berries'! :(
I had same a while back, i was actually on the bike, when they changed on a 60 limit dual carriageway near Oxford, twist and go felt better option, it was red just after my front wheel crossed the white line, i never heard anything. I think they are only set to enabled a couple of seconds after the lights change
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Yeah, I have been flashed several times on the bike and heard nothing in two weeks. One was so renowned for flashing everyone we used to set it off on purpose. 5 bikes 10 flashes. ;D
But these lights where defo green, never saw an amber much less red, and I was watching them like a hawk. So it was definitely speed that tripped it....and given it's a more up to date system I don't think there is much chance it had "run out of film"...wonder if I can bribe the postman to loose the letter? Will that work? :-/. :D
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It's only an SP30, shouldn't make much (if any) difference to your insurance premium. Yeah there's a £60 fine, not that bad really is it?
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Sp 50.
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.... I think they are only set to enabled a couple of seconds after the lights change
Isn't that what the amber is for? ::) :y
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.... I think they are only set to enabled a couple of seconds after the lights change
Isn't that what the amber is for? ::) :y
I mean when its changed to Red.... i've stopped before to see people go through a good few seconds after its gone Red, and not seen the camera go off :-/
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Sp 50.
You sure?
Reason I ask is that I got an SP30 two years ago for doing 72 in an 50. I didn't realise it was a 50 because it was it was an unfamiliar area to me and a road diversion had led me to that dual carriageway (at night too), the previous dual carriageway I had been on was NSL. I got pulled over by (armed!) police at a nearby slip road. In one sense I was peeved that I got pulled when the roads were clear at night and wasn't aware about the 70>50 change, apparently due to shorter slip roads? But I was also fairly lucky as had I been going 3mph faster it would have been a court case!
In any case, best of luck and hopefully no bad news.
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Something not right there, 70 in a 30 would be a ban, so you should have had sp50 I would have thought...?
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The limit was 50 on this particular dual carriageway, having been diverted from a 70mph dual carriageway due to roadworks.
I never speed in 30/40 zones, especially as they're built up areas.
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I got flashed a few years ago doing 94mph in a 70 dual carriageway,got away with an sp60 for that as it was a first(and only) offence.I had a £60 fine and 3 points which are finished now
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It'd be an SP30, Chris, if you do get done:
SP30 Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road 3-6
SP40 Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit 3-6
SP50 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway 3-6
From: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/EndorsementsAndDisqualifications/DG_10022425
ISTR a lot of people were incorrectly given SP50s a few years back when they should have been given SP30s - there was an appeals procedure put in place when it was realised.. 'course now I can't find a link to back that up ;D
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Ah, ok. Was under the impression the number related to the speed limit concerned....
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I think that was the problem with the people incorrectly giving out SP50s, too ;D ;D
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It'd be an SP30, Chris, if you do get done:
SP30 Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road 3-6
SP40 Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit 3-6
SP50 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway 3-6
From: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/EndorsementsAndDisqualifications/DG_10022425
ISTR a lot of people were incorrectly given SP50s a few years back when they should have been given SP30s - there was an appeals procedure put in place when it was realised.. 'course now I can't find a link to back that up ;D
I checked that link and can't find sp60 which is the code that dvla printed on my license,is this one that they no longer use as it was 6 years ago
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Ah yes - SP60 was the one they were incorrectly using - it's now been withdrawn and you can apply to the courts to have it corrected to the relevant (SP30/50) code.
SP60 was "Undefined speeding offence" and usually carried a heavy insurance cost penalty when an SP30 (or SP50) would not have done.
More about this here - the documentation on the DVLA site appears to have 'vanished':
http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t22493.html
More here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=11684
[edit] Oh as it was 6 years ago in your case, you should apply to have it removed from your license (it's no longer valid for totting up purposes and should have expired now, I believe)
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Ah yes - SP60 was the one they were incorrectly using - it's now been withdrawn and you can apply to the courts to have it corrected to the relevant (SP30/50) code.
SP60 was "Undefined speeding offence" and usually carried a heavy insurance cost penalty when an SP30 (or SP50) would not have done.
More about this here - the documentation on the DVLA site appears to have 'vanished':
http://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t22493.html
More here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/speed/default.asp?storyId=11684
[edit] Oh as it was 6 years ago in your case, you should apply to have it removed from your license (it's no longer valid for totting up purposes and should have expired now, I believe)
thanks for the info,it didn't affect my insurance at the time,they just said they allow one speed offence(didn't even ask for the specific code) :y
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whatever happens expect a spanking.
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Went through said junction last night, as it happens. Clearly signposted "Traffic signal and speed cameras". :(
Doesn't mean they aren't just using Talivans there occasionally instead though.
Kevin
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Went through said junction last night, as it happens. Clearly signposted "Traffic signal and speed cameras". :(
Doesn't mean they aren't just using Talivans there occasionally instead though.
Kevin
so yes, you are down for a few points.
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Well, it was two weeks ago tomorrow.... ::)
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There's always the saturday post ... :P ;)
Or maybe you got lucky ;)
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takes up to 28 working days bud... :-/
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I've nailed the letter box shut :D
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takes up to 28 working days bud... :-/
Got a source for that? PePiPoo is pretty informative and quotes 14 days:
http://www.pepipoo.com/NIP.htm
And ;D Chris .. but what about all those important letters? Like .. bills and junk mail (that's all I get, anyway!)
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its sent special delivery with a sledgie included for the postie to break your door down... ;D
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Or if Chris's front door is anything like mine.. the postie can just slip it under the bottom ;D
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The NIP must be ISSUED within 14 days ... not recieved ... subtle difference ... and they don't have to prove you recieved it either ...
What is the 14 day rule?
The 14 day rule relates only to the period of time in which the Police/Process Unit must serve the original Notice. The Police do not have to prove that the Notice reached its intended recipient within 14 days, merely that in the normal course of events, it should have arrived. In many cases, the registered keeper will be a lease company not the actual driver with the result that even if the driver is unaware of the incident, service of the Notice is good if it was sent to arrive at the registered keeper's last known address within 14 days of the offence.
The Notice of Intended Prosecution was issued out of time, what do I do now?
If you are the registered keeper of the vehicle and the ISSUE date on the Notice of Intended Prosecution is more than 14 days after the offence, then you can reject it. This only applies if it is dated more than 14 days after the alleged offence. It does not apply if it is dated within 14 days but received more than 14 days after the offence. If the NIP has been issued too late, then you should return it to the Process Office stating that you reject it because it is time barred. Bear in mind that if you are not the registered keeper, the NIP may have originally been issued within time and sent to the keeper.
source : http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/procedure/notice_of_intended_prosecution.htm
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takes up to 28 working days bud... :-/
Got a source for that? PePiPoo is pretty informative and quotes 14 days:
http://www.pepipoo.com/NIP.htm
And ;D Chris .. but what about all those important letters? Like .. bills and junk mail (that's all I get, anyway!)
your no fun are you mister... ;D
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No.. but it's OK, Entwood provided the source ;D
So Chris, it looks like you'll have to keep the letterbox nailed shut a bit longer - no copy of Big Jugs Monthly for you this month! ;D
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Afaict, the day of offence is not included, so Monday....
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Afaict, the day of offence is not included, so Monday....
...... to issue it ... then it might take several weeks to reach you ... Christmas Post and all that .....
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Afaict, the day of offence is not included, so Monday....
...... to issue it ... then it might take several weeks to reach you ... Christmas Post and all that .....
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Yeah, issue date, post don't come into it... :(
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takes up to 28 working days bud... :-/
14 days for service of Notice of Intended Prosecution.... ;)
i.e. 14 days, as per postmark.....
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So I think you need to wait 3 weeks from day of offence before celebrating....
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So I think you need to wait 3 weeks from day of offence before celebrating....
That should be me out of the woods then. I went through a gatso at around 55mph on an A road ........ with the caravan on tow on the 1st of the month ::) ::)
Is a Gatso clever enough to 'see' if you're towing?
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i think you will find they have a 6 month window...got that from a solicitor but i was also told the way the camera partnerships are set up they can't chase everyone they catch :y
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i think you will find they have a 6 month window...got that from a solicitor but i was also told the way the camera partnerships are set up they can't chase everyone they catch :y
Nope, they have 14 days to send the NIP (over rules apply if dvla info inaccurate, but then you are in a different pile of shite)
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I too, as I'm sure Hotel21 will remember, have done the fingernail biting waiting, both times mobile cameras, both times well above what I should have been doing :-[
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I too, as I'm sure Hotel21 will remember, have done the fingernail biting waiting, both times mobile cameras, both times well above what I should have been doing :-[
Thats a rarity for you ::)
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So I think you need to wait 3 weeks from day of offence before celebrating....
That should be me out of the woods then. I went through a gatso at around 55mph on an A road ........ with the caravan on tow on the 1st of the month ::) ::)
Is a Gatso clever enough to 'see' if you're towing?
I don't know about towing, but some are smart enough to know if it's a car or an artic (a friend of mine got flashed doing above the limit for an artic & below the limit for a car)
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So I think you need to wait 3 weeks from day of offence before celebrating....
That should be me out of the woods then. I went through a gatso at around 55mph on an A road ........ with the caravan on tow on the 1st of the month ::) ::)
Is a Gatso clever enough to 'see' if you're towing?
I don't know about towing, but some are smart enough to know if it's a car or an artic (a friend of mine got flashed doing above the limit for an artic & below the limit for a car)
But an artic is always an artic as per its reg plate & on an A road always has a limit of 40. Depending on whether I have a trailer on or not depends whether I've a limit of 50 or 60 :-/ :-/ . If I had a trailer on, and went through a Gatso at 58, would it know? :-/
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i think you will find they have a 6 month window...got that from a solicitor but i was also told the way the camera partnerships are set up they can't chase everyone they catch :y
14 days for service of NIP.
6 months for commencement of subsequent proceedings.... :y
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So I think you need to wait 3 weeks from day of offence before celebrating....
That should be me out of the woods then. I went through a gatso at around 55mph on an A road ........ with the caravan on tow on the 1st of the month ::) ::)
Is a Gatso clever enough to 'see' if you're towing?
I don't know about towing, but some are smart enough to know if it's a car or an artic (a friend of mine got flashed doing above the limit for an artic & below the limit for a car)
Gatso's just see something doing XXX leptons above its preset limit. Its upto the subsequent Mk1 eyball of the camera folks in the comfy office to decide on the 'good guy, good guy, wink' scenario, dependant on what they are actually fishing for this week.
If its cars, flash limit will be as per rated speed for the road.
If its waggons or vans on tow, then preset op limit is lowered and the subsequent film viewers discard cars on their own and proceed as required with the waggons/vans/towed palaces. If that makes some kinda sense, after a long day and a night on the sherbets..... ;D
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3 weeks now, not a peep :-X
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[size=24]PEEP![/size]
Only joking :D
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;D Don't give up the day job, Kevin!
Speaking of speed cameras.. how many of the buggers are there on the M6 now!? And for that matter, how many CCTV (or whatever they are) cameras covering the hard shoulder/congestion lane? There seems to be one every 50' and I'm not even exaggerating..
The world has gone mad I tell you. Mad!
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Oh alright, one peep then :P. ::)
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Peep Peep ;D
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Peeps then...
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whatever happens expect a spanking.
Promises..... ::)
....always just promises! ;D
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mYssEXILjc[/media]
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mYssEXILjc[/media]
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Floody Bantastic Lee! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y