Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Martin_1962 on 04 July 2007, 21:44:46
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Well I have to start sometime.
What do you think would be suitable - would a 2.0 Omega be suitable for a 17 Y/O (it will be a classic then)
Thinking of a Land Rover 109 2.25 petrol with a 10 year full rebuild for the boys, not sure for the girl?
Pity I don't have the Sunbeam lying around now! (Had off road for 4 years while I had the Carlton)
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Well I have to start sometime.
What do you think would be suitable - would a 2.0 Omega be suitable for a 17 Y/O (it will be a classic then)
Thinking of a Land Rover 109 2.25 petrol with a 10 year full rebuild for the boys, not sure for the girl?
Pity I don't have the Sunbeam lying around now! (Had off road for 4 years while I had the Carlton)
a 2.0l will be too old, as will a 2.25 landy...
Some small thing would be better...
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Hmm. I wonder what fuel prices will be like then? And insurance for new drivers :-/
Kevin
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Age doesn't really matter I think - I used to use an 18 year old car daily
Also doing one up seems like a way of getting interest
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Age doesn't really matter I think - I used to use an 18 year old car daily
Also doing one up seems like a way of getting interest
I have to agree
My first car, was a 1984 Ford Fiesta 957cc, I bought it for £180 when I was 17, and had to change the head gasket, water pump - all sorts, which I did in the evenings after college. It was a wreck, but I loved it, and it helped me appreciate real driving skills, and proper car maintenance, rather than modern cars that almost drive for you!
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I'm also not sure that small cars are the way to go, for learners.
My uncle always used to say to me - if you can drive this old land rover - you can drive anything!!
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I'm also not sure that small cars are the way to go, for learners.
My uncle always used to say to me - if you can drive this old land rover - you can drive anything!!
I agree, when I passed I wanted a Nova or similar, got an Astra Estate
If you can drive a 'big' (the Astra felt huge to me at the time) car, you can drive anything.
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I'm also not sure that small cars are the way to go, for learners.
My uncle always used to say to me - if you can drive this old land rover - you can drive anything!!
True enough, but the real learning comes post test, and gaining the spacial awareness skills during manuovering is easier with smaller cars. Additionally, a small petrol car is going to be so much cheaper to insure.
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Whatever you get make sure its a classic for cheaper insurance. My apprentice pays nearly 2 grand insurance for a 52 plate Citroen saxo 1.4. And he's paying finance on the car as well so hardly goes out on his wages just to have a newish car like his mates. crazy.
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Also doing one up seems like a way of getting interest
One reason I think your idea is a good one, is that it will teach them to respect the car and learn the value of it. They will be less inclined to thrash / trash it, which many young drivers who are given cars on a plate are inclined to do.
Kevin
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Whatever you get make sure its a classic for cheaper insurance. My apprentice pays nearly 2 grand insurance for a 52 plate Citroen saxo 1.4. And he's paying finance on the car as well so hardly goes out on his wages just to have a newish car like his mates. crazy.
I remember when I was looking for a bit of power under the bonnet (just before I got the Meega :D) I had the opportunity of a Escort Cosworth - but was quoted approx £14000 for Fully Comp and that was with 5 years NCD and being over 30 :o - never mind the cost for buying the bloody thing. Being young and wanting your own (decent)car and insure it just isn't realistic nowadays >:(
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Must admit i've been thinking of a Beetle for my boy and Moggy convertible for my girl, But as there twins 2 projects at the same time. :-[ Still their only 5yrs so plenty of time and i think the cars will qualfiy as classics unless the Government bans classics off the roads by then!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-/
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The boys like chunky vehicles and it appears old LRs are veery cheap to insure, so what if they are slow, don't handle, and need lots of maintenance, they would get good experience.
They can do insurance ect I'll just provide an oldish car.
I have put a bit of thought into this, I did consider a Roote car but they are all fetching silly money now, or are scrap condition.
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I must admit, a LR is probably not that bad a bet, if you can cope with the thirst. Street cred without being too desirable, fast, expensive or delicate.
Kevin
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Whatever you get make sure its a classic for cheaper insurance. My apprentice pays nearly 2 grand insurance for a 52 plate Citroen saxo 1.4. And he's paying finance on the car as well so hardly goes out on his wages just to have a newish car like his mates. crazy.
I remember when I was looking for a bit of power under the bonnet (just before I got the Meega :D) I had the opportunity of a Escort Cosworth - but was quoted approx £14000 for Fully Comp and that was with 5 years NCD and being over 30 :o - never mind the cost for buying the bloody thing. Being young and wanting your own (decent)car and insure it just isn't realistic nowadays >:(
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Whatever you get make sure its a classic for cheaper insurance. My apprentice pays nearly 2 grand insurance for a 52 plate Citroen saxo 1.4. And he's paying finance on the car as well so hardly goes out on his wages just to have a newish car like his mates. crazy.
I remember when I was looking for a bit of power under the bonnet (just before I got the Meega :D) I had the opportunity of a Escort Cosworth - but was quoted approx £14000 for Fully Comp and that was with 5 years NCD and being over 30 :o - never mind the cost for buying the bloody thing. Being young and wanting your own (decent)car and insure it just isn't realistic nowadays >:(
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Your shocked?? - should have seen my Dad's face at the time as he wanted to contribute towards the insurance as a present for my birthday ...... that is until I gave him the figures I was getting back ;D ;D ;D
Anyhow, so much of a better birthday present getting my Omega [smiley=cool.gif]
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I actually considered something along these lines as a sideline for a while, but I think the time I'd have to invest in it would make it more of a mainline occupation.
What I'd thought on started with promoting older/classic cars as a feasible alternative to young drivers rather than taking finance on a Saxo and paying through the nose for insurance. I figured that either restoring older cars, (let's face it there's plenty of cheap old projects out there), or modifying them to be more reliable, (Zetec Cortina or EcoTec Viva anyone?), and promoting them to teenagers could be a flier.
Then I got on to thinking, well, there could be mileage in sourcing insurance for them. An older car could qualify for cheaper insurance, so it might be possible to introduce some sort of brokerage for just that. Then it started to snowball........... As they've probably never been subject to driving an old, (read RWD), car then it would be a worthwile exercise to teach them how to drive it properly and/or sympathetically. And how about teaching them how and where to source parts for their car and how to service/look after them properly?
It sounds like fun, but there's no way I could afford to invest any time in it at the moment.
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I must admit, a LR is probably not that bad a bet, if you can cope with the thirst. Street cred without being too desirable, fast, expensive or delicate.
Kevin
Thats what I thought, there are always gas conversions too!
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I actually considered something along these lines as a sideline for a while, but I think the time I'd have to invest in it would make it more of a mainline occupation.
What I'd thought on started with promoting older/classic cars as a feasible alternative to young drivers rather than taking finance on a Saxo and paying through the nose for insurance. I figured that either restoring older cars, (let's face it there's plenty of cheap old projects out there), or modifying them to be more reliable, (Zetec Cortina or EcoTec Viva anyone?), and promoting them to teenagers could be a flier.
Then I got on to thinking, well, there could be mileage in sourcing insurance for them. An older car could qualify for cheaper insurance, so it might be possible to introduce some sort of brokerage for just that. Then it started to snowball........... As they've probably never been subject to driving an old, (read RWD), car then it would be a worthwile exercise to teach them how to drive it properly and/or sympathetically. And how about teaching them how and where to source parts for their car and how to service/look after them properly?
It sounds like fun, but there's no way I could afford to invest any time in it at the moment.
Good idea but older cars are now going up in value, I was having a nose at Avengers - too much money now if not a rot box.
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I actually considered something along these lines as a sideline for a while, but I think the time I'd have to invest in it would make it more of a mainline occupation.
What I'd thought on started with promoting older/classic cars as a feasible alternative to young drivers rather than taking finance on a Saxo and paying through the nose for insurance. I figured that either restoring older cars, (let's face it there's plenty of cheap old projects out there), or modifying them to be more reliable, (Zetec Cortina or EcoTec Viva anyone?), and promoting them to teenagers could be a flier.
Then I got on to thinking, well, there could be mileage in sourcing insurance for them. An older car could qualify for cheaper insurance, so it might be possible to introduce some sort of brokerage for just that. Then it started to snowball........... As they've probably never been subject to driving an old, (read RWD), car then it would be a worthwile exercise to teach them how to drive it properly and/or sympathetically. And how about teaching them how and where to source parts for their car and how to service/look after them properly?
It sounds like fun, but there's no way I could afford to invest any time in it at the moment.
Sounds a blinding idea. :y Not sure how much the insurance would be affected swopping to later engines ::) But the envoiroment argument about the greenhouse effect in producing new cars etc.. compared to running older cars would certainly have merit amongst the students i know. :y
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Good idea but older cars are now going up in value, I was having a nose at Avengers - too much money now if not a rot box.
Still potentially cheaper and not subject to the same depreciation, (They might even appreciate!!), as a modern Paxo. If they're repaired and maintained properly they'd probably outlast the aforementioned Laxo too!!
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Sounds a blinding idea. :y Not sure how much the insurance would be affected swopping to later engines ::) But the envoiroment argument about the greenhouse effect in producing new cars etc.. compared to running older cars would certainly have merit amongst the students i know. :y
Thanks,
I do really fancy it, but it'd be too time consuming at the mo'. I think promoting it would be quite a mammoth task too!!
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I must admit, a LR is probably not that bad a bet, if you can cope with the thirst. Street cred without being too desirable, fast, expensive or delicate.
Kevin
Thats what I thought, there are always gas conversions too!
LPG will probably not be cost effective soon, I can see it getting taxed hard soon...
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I must admit, a LR is probably not that bad a bet, if you can cope with the thirst. Street cred without being too desirable, fast, expensive or delicate.
Kevin
Thats what I thought, there are always gas conversions too!
LPG will probably not be cost effective soon, I can see it getting taxed hard soon...
Heating gas is indistinguishable from autogas.
That WILL happen and is the main brake on taxing.
Just get my weekly delivery of a large heating gas bottle then use a transfer pump to put it in the car.
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I must admit, a LR is probably not that bad a bet, if you can cope with the thirst. Street cred without being too desirable, fast, expensive or delicate.
Kevin
Thats what I thought, there are always gas conversions too!
LPG will probably not be cost effective soon, I can see it getting taxed hard soon...
Heating gas is indistinguishable from autogas.
That WILL happen and is the main brake on taxing.
Just get my weekly delivery of a large heating gas bottle then use a transfer pump to put it in the car.
They will find a way round it as they did with agricultural diesel...