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Title: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 17 November 2010, 21:36:00

As it says on the tin, really...

Just theorising, whats to stop me fitting facelift locks to a 98 car? Keys, ignition barrel, drivers door lock, and bootlock. Id also like to utilise the electric boot release at some point too. I think it's a pretty straightforward job, and shouldn't cost a great deal, but If I've missed anything, or there are any pointers/pitfalls to know about, please let me know.

Thanks, as ever, in advance oofers.  :) :)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 17 November 2010, 21:46:48

I've done this on a Pre facelift mk3 Granada using locks from a later one.

I suspect it will physically straight forward, as fitting points should be identical.

Any issues are likely to be electrical ie are the locks from the same model (gls/cd/cdx etc) as different specs might have different features. If you can cross check the looms, that might help. Also are the lock motors the same? Will you be able to transfer the immobiliser chip to the new keys, or will you need to change the ecu along with the locks themselves?

HTH, Al. :y

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 17 November 2010, 22:18:30

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As it says on the tin, really...

Just theorising, whats to stop me fitting facelift locks to a 98 car? Keys, ignition barrel, drivers door lock, and bootlock. Id also like to utilise the electric boot release at some point too. I think it's a pretty straightforward job, and shouldn't cost a great deal, but If I've missed anything, or there are any pointers/pitfalls to know about, please let me know.

Thanks, as ever, in advance oofers.  :) :)

Would have thought that`s relatively straightforward. Probably need complete lock assembly with motor from a facelift and fit a push to make, non latching switch like this http://images.maplin.co.uk/300/rx82d2.jpg
I`ve got a F/L complete boot lock assembly with solenoid if you wanna give it a go

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 17 November 2010, 22:41:00

Thanks RobG, I was working on the premise that all Omega saloon boots are basically the same, in so far as both pre and post-facelift have a manual opening function, the facelift's of course being hidden inside the boot, pre-fl the pivoting griffin.

The electric operation is sited on the bootlip, not the actual bootlid. I'm hoping that as it's essentially a separate system a fl electric function can be retro-fitted onto, eg: a 1998 car without any hassle at all.

I'm assuming!

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 17 November 2010, 23:15:32

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Thanks RobG, I was working on the premise that all Omega saloon boots are basically the same, in so far as both pre and post-facelift have a manual opening function, the facelift's of course being hidden inside the boot, pre-fl the pivoting griffin.

The electric operation is sited on the bootlip, not the actual bootlid. I'm hoping that as it's essentially a separate system a fl electric function can be retro-fitted onto, eg: a 1998 car without any hassle at all.

I'm assuming!

Bootlip is where the retaining bar is :)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 17 November 2010, 23:20:58

I`ll post up a pic of the lock assembly with solenoid/motor if it helps

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 17 November 2010, 23:26:12

Only if you're in a very helpful mood!

Honestly, dont worry about it, I'll look at my dad's facelift tomorrow, and compare it with the DiamondBlackBeast.

The Retaining Bar? Im sure i used to drink in a place called that..... :-/

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 17 November 2010, 23:32:51

Ok, so just running it through my mind again. I think I see exactly what you're saying..

So..isnt the only difference between a pre-fl / fl bootlid (apart from obvious sheetmetal differences) the lack of an actual key 'ole?

All the gear for electric operation is on the lip, rather than the lid, yes?

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 17 November 2010, 23:36:24

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/boot2.jpg)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/OMEGAFORUM/boot1.jpg)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 17 November 2010, 23:44:57

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Ok, so just running it through my mind again. I think I see exactly what you're saying..

So..isnt the only difference between a pre-fl / fl bootlid (apart from obvious sheetmetal differences) the lack of an actual key 'ole?

All the gear for electric operation is on the lip, rather than the lid, yes?

Nope. It`s in the bootlid under the carpet

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Andy B on 18 November 2010, 00:06:44

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As it says on the tin, really...

Just theorising, whats to stop me fitting facelift locks to a 98 car? Keys, ignition barrel, drivers door lock, and bootlock. Id also like to utilise the electric boot release at some point too. I think it's a pretty straightforward job, and shouldn't cost a great deal, but If I've missed anything, or there are any pointers/pitfalls to know about, please let me know.

Thanks, as ever, in advance oofers.  :) :)

apart from the boot lid, what are you trying to achieve? Everything else is the same whether early or later cars ....  :-/

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 00:12:34

Just looked at the excellent pic RobG,

Thanks very much for that, you may be the guy I need to speak to some more!.

It's not something we're obsessing over just yet, but replacing the lock system with a facelift version would be a good way of getting newer keys, sorting a dickey bootlock as well as 'modding' the car by upgrading to remote boot opening.

What sort of price would you want for the lot? That'd ideally be including wiring for the bootlock and he'd want both keys too.

Thanks again for your help so far, it's always nice to learn new things. Its even nicer when that info is actually useful, unlike most of what I know!  8-)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 00:17:46

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apart from the boot lid, what are you trying to achieve? Everything else is the same whether early or later cars ....  :-/

Because the bootlock is a little dicky, plus he has a scabby spare key. When you price up a replacement key plus programming locally/getting a new bootlock, with key (so thats a total of three keys for one car now) if he could source a full replacement set on here for the same sort of money he's also gaining a remote leccy boot. As you say, the rest is the same, so should be an easy fit.  :)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Andy B on 18 November 2010, 00:24:31

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apart from the boot lid, what are you trying to achieve? Everything else is the same whether early or later cars ....  :-/

Because the bootlock is a little dicky, plus he has a scabby spare key. When you price up a replacement key plus programming locally/getting a new bootlock, with key (so thats a total of three keys for one car now) if he could source a full replacement set on here for the same sort of money he's also gaining a remote leccy boot. As you say, the rest is the same, so should be an easy fit.  :)

3 keys? I assume you have a replacement ignition or driver's door lock. There's only so many different tumblers inside a lock, so if you get a selection of other locks you dis-assemble them & build up a lock to suit your key.  :y

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 18 November 2010, 09:35:54

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Just looked at the excellent pic RobG,

Thanks very much for that, you may be the guy I need to speak to some more!.

It's not something we're obsessing over just yet, but replacing the lock system with a facelift version would be a good way of getting newer keys, sorting a dickey bootlock as well as 'modding' the car by upgrading to remote boot opening.

What sort of price would you want for the lot? That'd ideally be including wiring for the bootlock and he'd want both keys too.
Thanks again for your help so far, it's always nice to learn new things. Its even nicer when that info is actually useful, unlike most of what I know!  8-)

Cars gone to scrappy now. The lock mech is the only bit I`ve got regards the boot. If it`s of no use I`ll just sell the solenoid/motor from it.

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 13:35:12

Cheers all.

So as the full lock sets dont seem to be in much demand, as you say youve just sent one to the scrappy what would you be looking for £ wise? Feel free to 'go public' or pm me. Thanks very muchly so far RobG  :)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 18 November 2010, 13:44:49

The solenoid/motor is up for £8 posted so for what you see in the pic, £15 posted

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 13:52:07

Thanks for that, but sorry I meant what kind of price would a full lock set, including the boot locking gear, keys etc be? (Obviously when you next have one in.)

Should have made that more clear. Ta!  ;)

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 18 November 2010, 13:58:00

Not a clue. If you PM "Brikhead" http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=66766D6F6C616560040
He`s breaking a facelift. It`s an estate but he might be able to sort you with keys, doorlock & ign barrell

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 14:00:03

RobG, I'd call you a diamond geezer, but I'M the Diamond Black Geezer already!!

Thanks very much, I'll see what the guy has to say, cheers.

8-) 8-) 8-) RobG  8-) 8-) 8-)
as a cucumber.

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: RobG on 18 November 2010, 14:02:58

Happy to help :y

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Andy B on 18 November 2010, 14:04:57

I still can't see why you need a lock set.  :-/ If you need more than the one key for the car, it make sense to make the incorrect lock fir the key you have.  :-/

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 14:19:49

Fair enough, the reasons are:

Drivers ignition barrel dickey
Rear lock does not fit the key
Only have one key anyway
Mate fancies the remote-opening boot idea
No carpass

So the the 'wants list' is

newer ignition barrel
gear to make leccy boot opening
new key cut to fit, keyplip needs to be then programmed to fit the car

after you've done all that the only original bit left on the car is the drivers doorlock!

new key/programming £75-£110
Carpass £15-£50
leccy boot gear £15
New ignition barrel made to fit current key £??

total =£too much!

you can probably see why a new lock set is easier / cheaper?  :y

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Andy B on 18 November 2010, 15:06:35

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you can probably see why a new lock set is easier / cheaper?  :y

A well presented argument!  :y  :y  :y  :y

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 18 November 2010, 20:41:01

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Just looked at the excellent pic RobG,

Thanks very much for that, you may be the guy I need to speak to some more!.

It's not something we're obsessing over just yet, but replacing the lock system with a facelift version would be a good way of getting newer keys, sorting a dickey bootlock as well as 'modding' the car by upgrading to remote boot opening.

What sort of price would you want for the lot? That'd ideally be including wiring for the bootlock and he'd want both keys too.

Thanks again for your help so far, it's always nice to learn new things. Its even nicer when that info is actually useful, unlike most of what I know!  8-)

The newer 3 button keys are less reliable than the older 2 button keys

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 18 November 2010, 21:26:00

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you can probably see why a new lock set is easier / cheaper?  :y

A well presented argument!  :y  :y  :y  :y

Thanks! Its nice to have a good, healthy debate, without mud-slinging, or people taking things personally.  :y :y :y

Title: Re: Need-to-know about fitting new locks?
Post by: djac on 19 November 2010, 09:18:46

Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but don't forget the glovebox lock  :y