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Title: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 01 November 2010, 17:57:42
Ls 1,2,3 or 6 proving difficult to find, ls7 is too can based I gather, been looking at Holden or written off yank motors mostly, very expensive from a breaker when they do come up, but gm also do jeep grand cheroke and Chrysler 300c with v8's in..... :-/

....might have a little project, might.... ::).


But need a v8 to get rolling, what's best source for a cheep v8 lump kicking out decent horses, needs to be GM based, and as usual everything MUST work, tc abs drive by wire or whatever, can't stand stuff that don't work proper... Add ESP perhaps? With an off button of course  ;) 
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: vauxfan2k on 01 November 2010, 18:47:24
I know of a small block chevy 5.7i v8 up here that might be up for grabs, came from my old blazer (1990) sold the whole machine to a guy but he has never used the engine, not sure if he would remove it himself tho. and I gather its a fair trek up here from your place..

if you want me to enquire I will tho.  ;)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 01 November 2010, 20:29:48
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I know of a small block chevy 5.7i v8 up here that might be up for grabs, came from my old blazer (1990) sold the whole machine to a guy but he has never used the engine, not sure if he would remove it himself tho. and I gather its a fair trek up here from your place..

if you want me to enquire I will tho.  ;)
Apparently yes, it's a fair way  ;D

What sort of power?...out of interest?
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: mrgreen on 01 November 2010, 22:35:21
goes without saying they're hard to find if they were easy to find we would see many a v8 on the roads!! if you're looking into that kinda peoject then maybe crate motor's form the states is agood bet although you only get he motor and not the 150 other bits you need to build!!
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Diamond Black Geezer on 02 November 2010, 00:40:36
Try looking for Lincolnshire-based club for yank cars. There seems to be a fair following for them here, despite the fact that there are only 72 people that live in Lincolnshire  ;D
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: venom on 02 November 2010, 08:12:52
My mate has some Cadillac Northstar V8's for sale and they can be blown  :y , not by him but the guy that does our supercharger for the dragster can sort that out.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 November 2010, 09:27:09
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ls7 is too can based

The engine is just a lump of metal.  ;)

Engine management is another matter, of course, but you can fit different management systems to that lump of metal if need be.

If it were me, I would fit an ABS system from a 4 pot so it's not expecting to talk to the engine ECU at all and lose the TC. The Omega TC is only designed to stop stupid people crashing, IMHO. It adds nothing to the driving experience so why seriously limit your plans just to keep it working?

Ditto drive by wire. If the engine+management of choice happens to have it then fine. If not, put a throttle cable in. DBW adds nothing to the driving experience, it just removes the throttle cable.

ESP... Very rarely fitted to an Omega and, again, needs integration between engine and ABS ECUs and the addition of a yaw sensor, which I've never found fitted to an Omega.

The problem with all of these systems is that they have been configured during development for the combination of chassis, engine, transmission and braking system on the vehicle. The tools to do that are probably only available to Bosch and their partners in the development labs of major car manufacturers. Even if you manage the unenviable task of getting them to talk to each other in a modified vehicle, who's to say they'll work acceptably given that the vehicle has undergone fairly major changes?

Keep it simple, I say. Bin the gadgets and give yourself an easy life.

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 November 2010, 10:23:36
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Keep it simple, I say. Bin the gadgets and give yourself an easy life.

Pretty much a golden mantra when it comes to building modified or kit cars :)

It's also the reason that, having had a passenger ride in a 911 Carrera S (997.5) at the weekend around Anglesey circuit, I've come to the conclusion that whatever I build will never be as capable and refined all-round on and off track car  :'( I forsee large expense in my future!

And now, back to your regularly scheduled discussion of V8s..
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: 2woody on 02 November 2010, 10:24:13
on the subject of toys....

ABS possible with whichever solution
cruise control possible using standard early-Omega parts.
DBW - no point in fitting.
Traction control - easiest to do using after-market equipment, for OE stuff, you'd need to transplant an engine and ABS system from a car, which would probably lose the speedo drive.
ESP - don't bother. Although it's a good system, it must be properly set up by Bosch to suit a particular vehicluar combination. Not possible to transplant to something else IMO.

regarding V8's

Chevy - from Gen III onwards, any will do. Probably the cheapest will be an iron-block truck engine direct from the 'states. ( you have the book - pick a spec and ebay it )

prior to Gen III, then a special build possibly on a carburettor would be the easiest and cheapest. could maybe have 400BHP for less than £1000.

Northstar is very wide and not easily adaptable to in-line configuration, at least not for the early ones. It's a lovely engine and I have installed one before, but it's very not easy.

Chrysler. Some of the later ones are very good, but not sure about manual transmission.

Ford. possible, and some good engines out there, but it's a Ford !
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 02 November 2010, 10:36:19
removing stock features is never a good idea imo, fitting a v8 with a third more power is an improvement imo, removing abs and tc needed order to conrtrole it cant be a good idea, esp not to a possible buyer. Yes the omega abs and tc are basic perhaps, but as with the brakes the whole deal needs to progress as a package, possibly suspension as well...

....and i dont believe for one momment that we are all such great drivers that we havent been cought out on the odd frosty morning...weather the driver aids would have helped or not, imo its madness to remove something that has certainly saved my bacon before now....
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 November 2010, 10:39:46
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Traction control - easiest to do using after-market equipment, for OE stuff, you'd need to transplant an engine and ABS system from a car, which would probably lose the speedo drive.

Yeah - the Racelogic stuff is very good IMHO, was a good addition to my first 300ZX :)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 02 November 2010, 10:41:21
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on the subject of toys....

ABS possible with whichever solution
cruise control possible using standard early-Omega parts.
DBW - no point in fitting.
Traction control - easiest to do using after-market equipment, for OE stuff, you'd need to transplant an engine and ABS system from a car, which would probably lose the speedo drive.
ESP - don't bother. Although it's a good system, it must be properly set up by Bosch to suit a particular vehicluar combination. Not possible to transplant to something else IMO.

regarding V8's

Chevy - from Gen III onwards, any will do. Probably the cheapest will be an iron-block truck engine direct from the 'states. ( you have the book - pick a spec and ebay it )

prior to Gen III, then a special build possibly on a carburettor would be the easiest and cheapest. could maybe have 400BHP for less than £1000.

Northstar is very wide and not easily adaptable to in-line configuration, at least not for the early ones. It's a lovely engine and I have installed one before, but it's very not easy.

Chrysler. Some of the later ones are very good, but not sure about manual transmission.

Ford. possible, and some good engines out there, but it's a Ford !
the books have been broused, briefly  :-[ time to scratch me arse would be good, and yes ok esp might be a bit imaginative.  ;)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 November 2010, 11:02:14
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removing stock features is never a good idea imo, fitting a v8 with a third more power is an improvement imo, removing abs and tc needed order to conrtrole it cant be a good idea, esp not to a possible buyer. Yes the omega abs and tc are basic perhaps, but as with the brakes the whole deal needs to progress as a package, possibly suspension as well...

....and i dont believe for one momment that we are all such great drivers that we havent been cought out on the odd frosty morning...weather the driver aids would have helped or not, imo its madness to remove something that has certainly saved my bacon before now....

Point taken on the frosty morning. ::)

Very much doubt it would have made any difference if I'd had a crap Omega TC system fitted though. ;)

I can't remember the last time my TC kicked in noticeably. I'm normally off the power by the time it's done anything. When it does intervene and you keep it planted it simply cuts the power, then applies it all again, then cuts it all. Repeat until ditch located. ;) Worst possible scenario if you're trying to control the car in a buttock-clenching scenario, IMHO.

I have also had the Omega quite sideways under power without a murmur from the TC. If all the wheels happen to be still turning at the right speed it's none the wiser. I'd expect this to become the norm if you add an LSD.

I really don't regard the Omega TC setup as being worth bothering with. It simply stops play at the slightest hint of a wheel slipping, then it all comes back in with a bang if you haven't backed off.

Now, a decent aftermarket solution that would intervene more subtly and actually help you use the traction available more effectively is another matter.

ABS - you're pushing an open door. It's perfectly feasible to keep it and it will probably perform OK if any brake upgrades are done sensibly.

V8 power will make for a car that needs respect in most circumstances (will you choose to drive it on frosty mornings at all?) and I don't think the factory TC bodged to control a V8 is a crutch that will help, TBH. :-/

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 November 2010, 11:04:25
I'm glad it's not just me that thinks the Omega TC is about as useful as a chocolate teapot! I thought there was something wrong with mine, at first, and that it wasn't working properly..
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: 2woody on 02 November 2010, 11:54:24
no, the standard tc is utterly useless.

as it happens, my Holden has a Racelogic TC retrofitted ( not by me :y ) and it's actually very good.

but I believe it's expensive, tho.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 November 2010, 12:12:07
The Racelogic setup would be the way to go, IMHO. It is able to limit wheel slip to a set amount by dropping cylinders. I believe it also has a lateral G sensor so it reduces the amount of wheel slip when cornering. It can do flat shift and launch control too, I believe. More importantly, it interfaces to the engine ECU by intercepting the injector drive signals so nice and simple and can be applied to any engine easily.

Just a bit pricy. <thinks about options for home-brewing one> ::)

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: 2woody on 02 November 2010, 12:31:01
£725 pricey
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 November 2010, 14:14:51
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£725 pricey

Yep. :o

Still, that's the price you pay for someone taking a lot of time testing, getting the algorithms right and making a system that complements the car instead of crippling it.

Now, a Megasquirt could skip ignition/injection events easily enough. Wouldn't be that hard to add a box that will measure the speeds at 4 ABS wheel sensors and compute the amount of slip, then send a command up the CAN bus to reduce torque..

I suspect fine tuning it might take some effort.

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 November 2010, 14:42:33
And that's not including the optional extra controller box, IIRC - which these days has a nice LCD screen and allows you to program it on-the-fly as well as select slip levels with a simple rotary dial from 0-20% by default.

It is a really nice setup.. I was pondering it for the MR2 for a while, but as you both say .. it's not cheap.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: 2woody on 02 November 2010, 14:50:06
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£725 pricey

Yep. :o

Still, that's the price you pay for someone taking a lot of time testing, getting the algorithms right and making a system that complements the car instead of crippling it.

Now, a Megasquirt could skip ignition/injection events easily enough. Wouldn't be that hard to add a box that will measure the speeds at 4 ABS wheel sensors and compute the amount of slip, then send a command up the CAN bus to reduce torque..

I suspect fine tuning it might take some effort.

Kevin

that's what 2woody's little brother does for a living.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 November 2010, 15:05:02
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Now, a Megasquirt could skip ignition/injection events easily enough. Wouldn't be that hard to add a box that will measure the speeds at 4 ABS wheel sensors and compute the amount of slip, then send a command up the CAN bus to reduce torque..

Drifting (even further) - do I take it from that statement that current MS incarnations support CAN bus?
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 02 November 2010, 15:10:12
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removing stock features is never a good idea imo, fitting a v8 with a third more power is an improvement imo, removing abs and tc needed order to conrtrole it cant be a good idea, esp not to a possible buyer. Yes the omega abs and tc are basic perhaps, but as with the brakes the whole deal needs to progress as a package, possibly suspension as well...

....and i dont believe for one momment that we are all such great drivers that we havent been cought out on the odd frosty morning...weather the driver aids would have helped or not, imo its madness to remove something that has certainly saved my bacon before now....

Point taken on the frosty morning. ::)

Very much doubt it would have made any difference if I'd had a crap Omega TC system fitted though. ;)

I can't remember the last time my TC kicked in noticeably. I'm normally off the power by the time it's done anything. When it does intervene and you keep it planted it simply cuts the power, then applies it all again, then cuts it all. Repeat until ditch located. ;) Worst possible scenario if you're trying to control the car in a buttock-clenching scenario, IMHO.

I have also had the Omega quite sideways under power without a murmur from the TC. If all the wheels happen to be still turning at the right speed it's none the wiser. I'd expect this to become the norm if you add an LSD.

I really don't regard the Omega TC setup as being worth bothering with. It simply stops play at the slightest hint of a wheel slipping, then it all comes back in with a bang if you haven't backed off.

Now, a decent aftermarket solution that would intervene more subtly and actually help you use the traction available more effectively is another matter.

ABS - you're pushing an open door. It's perfectly feasible to keep it and it will probably perform OK if any brake upgrades are done sensibly.

V8 power will make for a car that needs respect in most circumstances (will you choose to drive it on frosty mornings at all?) and I don't think the factory TC bodged to control a V8 is a crutch that will help, TBH. :-/

Kevin
Ah yes, I was talking about my frosty morning moment, not yours, sorry.  ;)

 I have had moments in the early a.m. When I firmly expected the car to go round a corner at very sensible speeds on a tentative throttle and had the back step out and be cought by the tc, and thinking omega tc may be crap, but at that unexpected moment it was better than I.  :-[
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 November 2010, 15:42:09
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that's what 2woody's little brother does for a living.

Ahh. Yes, as you were saying. Hmm. Might be worth having a play. So many projects, so little time. ::)

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Drifting (even further) - do I take it from that statement that current MS incarnations support CAN bus?

Yes, MSII and above have a CAN interface in hardware. As it stands the firmware doesn't implement any standard sort of CAN protocol but allows peeking and poking of the variables within the ECU, as I understand it, so probably won't communicate with OEM ECUs. I think most of my recent thoughts are diverging from the off-the-shelf MS firmware anyway, though.

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I have had moments in the early a.m. When I firmly expected the car to go round a corner at very sensible speeds on a tentative throttle and had the back step out and be caught by the tc, and thinking omega tc may be crap, but at that unexpected moment it was better than I.

Understood. Part the problem with the TC, IMHO, is that its' response to such scenarios is not gentle enough, especially when on a seriously slippery surface such as ice. Even if I recognised the situation late, as a driver, I hope I wouldn't respond by snapping shut the throttle, firing up the ABS pump and modulating the rear brakes. ;D

Hmm. My rear tyres are almost down to the wear indicators anyway. Guess I'll be "doing some investigation" later. :-X

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 02 November 2010, 15:46:31
Thanks for the MS info, Kevin :) Interesting stuff.. one day I might get one and have a play on the MR2, see if I could dial out some of the inadequacies of the PFC with one.

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Hmm. My rear tyres are almost down to the wear indicators anyway. Guess I'll be "doing some investigation" later. :-X

Ditto to that after the track day in the MR2! Was supposed to pick up a set of tyres there, had the track day organiser not forgotten to order any for me  :'( Probably a good job it honked it down with rain or they'd be well bald now! ;D
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 02 November 2010, 15:52:20
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£725 pricey
Yes, too pricey, by the time the lump is found there may not be enough cash left. It's this area that worries me, and general hidden costs that may/will catch us out leaving the thing sat on the drive going nowhere.

Aquiring an engine and getting it in the engine bay does not worry me, connecting everything up does, or the potential costs involved... gear box, transmision dif, gear lever and gaiter, the doner car is auto, drive shafts, ok that's 2woody territory. Cooling hoses and routing, bigger rad possibly, will an omega throttle cable fit/reach, vac supply to cabin for the heater, is the wiper motor in the way? Wondering why the piston heads mv8's wipers would not park....mating the engine 8 cylinder ecu and electrics to v6 omega elecrtics, brake upgrade, exhaust system will need binning and reworking, what cats?, locate o2 sensors, are the engine mounts in the right place, think the steering box is out the way but what if it clouts the engine?

In short I tend to look at things the other way, as you may have noticed by now,  ::) in that, ok, we can see it's possible with our "glass half full", if it's still possible with our "glass half empty" then we're laughing, yes I know it's possible ultimately, so is walking on the moon,but at what cost? And what result? This could turn into a big outlay, with the best will in the world.

Covered a lot of this in chatting to prominent members on here tbh, but it's good to talk   ;)      
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 02 November 2010, 16:32:41
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£725 pricey
Yes, too pricey, by the time the lump is found there may not be enough cash left....

Like I said, keep it simple.  ;)

Get the basics sorted first. Get the lump in the car, coupled up, and connected to fuel, cooling, electrics and exhaust. Get some sort of engine management that will allow it to run.

Get a braking system working that will cope with the extra power/weight.

If it overheats, put a bigger rad. in. If it doesn't, happy days.  :)

By this time you will have a totally different idea of priorities.

If it's too much of an animal, and there's money left, fit TC.
If it's a total scream and perfect the way it is, don't.

If it annoys you that the MID doesn't give you the right MPG, the sat nav doesn't work, the air con blows hot, etc, find a way to make it work.
If it's such a grin-inducer to drive that you don't give a damn how much fuel it's using, where you're going or how hot you are, don't. ;)

Having built a car (albeit a totally different beast) I found that the decisions you make at the beginning (and which can potentially turn out to be expensive) don't necessarily get you to where you later realise you wanted to be at the end of the project. ;)

Take it in small, manageable steps and you can re-assess your aims and your budget as you go.

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Psychoca on 02 November 2010, 19:09:25
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Try looking for Lincolnshire-based club for yank cars. There seems to be a fair following for them here, despite the fact that there are only 72 people that live in Lincolnshire  ;D


As many as that???
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: venom on 02 November 2010, 19:24:02
Like I've said my mate has some Northstar 4.6 L V8's
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 02 November 2010, 20:25:12
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Like I've said my mate has some Northstar 4.6 L V8's
Kind thought, but I don't think they fit sadly, one of the advantages of the Ls pushrod twin valve heads is there is only one cam, so gives a much smaller head and hence less width.... As I understand it... Where's those books... :)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 04 November 2010, 23:30:21
Well, if it fits in an Astra....
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/cars-sale/387275-ls1-v8-rwd-astra-coupe-sale.html
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 05 November 2010, 11:19:15
Ooh.. nice!
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 05 November 2010, 17:14:16
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Ooh.. nice!
Mmmwell, Astra.... :-/ ....could think of more exciting cars to got to all that effort with...
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Post by: aaronjb on 05 November 2010, 17:34:08
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Ooh.. nice!
Mmmwell, Astra.... :-/ ....could think of more exciting cars to got to all that effort with...

Ditto.. but then the Omega wouldn't be one of them either ;)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: symes on 05 November 2010, 18:03:42
If you use chevy 350-4 bolt mains(6.7)
use edelbrock heads,Rhoads lifters an roller rockers-top it off with 650 cfm double pumper carb on a Edelbrock performer manifold will give you anough power-With a V8 its not bhp you realy worry about its the torque - you can pull high gears.
My rover got 230bhp But the torque produced punches harder than my miggie- :y
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: joshwyatt on 05 November 2010, 18:41:48
Chris, we drove past jct 11 the other day, we were in the Jeep...I did actually think about popping in. We'll have to organise some time when you take it for a drive. It's a 2006 '06' Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.7 V8 Hemi. The engine is great, but it doesn't corner well. But, take it for a drive and see what you think...it's fast, and not just fast for the size.
I've been asking about with people I know to try and find either a 300c or WK GC hemi engine, there may be a 2006 engine with 54,000 miles...but need more details from the guy first.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 November 2010, 00:16:43
Just in case anyone fancies a Racelogic system...

http://boardroom.wscc.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=85724;view=new

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 20 November 2010, 13:48:06
Hmmm...plus sensors?

...and 6 cylinder.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 20 November 2010, 15:40:27
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Hmmm...plus sensors?

...and 6 cylinder.

If you already have ABS then you don't need the sensors (that's for fitting to a car - like a Westie - that has no ABS sensors as standard).. And it's 'up to' 6 cylinder - perfect for the Omega, or my MR2, but not a V8 to be fair.. but then this thread had drifted a bit from specifically V8s ;)

Very tempting, I must say.
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: 2woody on 20 November 2010, 17:44:08
there's actually a racelogic system fitted to my Holden - and it's a great piece of kit, too. Not at all intrusive and quite sutle in operation.

stays firmly turned "off" tho  ::)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: V6 CDX-er on 21 November 2010, 19:54:40
With all due respect, wouldn't just be cheaper and easier to buy or import a Commadore of a simular vintage?
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 November 2010, 19:57:03
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Hmmm...plus sensors?

...and 6 cylinder.

If you already have ABS then you don't need the sensors (that's for fitting to a car - like a Westie - that has no ABS sensors as standard).. And it's 'up to' 6 cylinder - perfect for the Omega, or my MR2, but not a V8 to be fair.. but then this thread had drifted a bit from specifically V8s ;)

Very tempting, I must say.

Racelogic themselves say the 6 pot versions can still be used with V8s. It can just cut 6 cylinders. If it's still burning rubber on 2 pots you've got your priorities wrong somewhere along the line. ;)

Kevin
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Post by: aaronjb on 21 November 2010, 19:58:34
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Hmmm...plus sensors?

...and 6 cylinder.

If you already have ABS then you don't need the sensors (that's for fitting to a car - like a Westie - that has no ABS sensors as standard).. And it's 'up to' 6 cylinder - perfect for the Omega, or my MR2, but not a V8 to be fair.. but then this thread had drifted a bit from specifically V8s ;)

Very tempting, I must say.

Racelogic themselves say the 6 pot versions can still be used with V8s. It can just cut 6 cylinders. If it's still burning rubber on 2 pots you've got your priorities wrong somewhere along the line. ;)

Kevin

Good point - and that would be impressive - I'm betting there's some stuff out there that could manage it, mind!
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Post by: 2woody on 22 November 2010, 21:03:35
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With all due respect, wouldn't just be cheaper and easier to buy or import a Commadore of a simular vintage?

you'd probably pay about £10K for a Commodore of a similar vintage. Maybe slightly less.
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Post by: feeutfo on 22 November 2010, 23:11:52
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With all due respect, wouldn't just be cheaper and easier to buy or import a Commadore of a simular vintage?

you'd probably pay about £10K for a Commodore of a similar vintage. Maybe slightly less.
It is a very valid point, given the work plus cost involved....

....difference between me and 2woody is, afaict, I love toys in a car, a car IMO, is a diluted form of motor/petrol head ism/fuel induced adrenalin/type thing when compared to a bike.

A car has it's place as a pure form of motoring of course, but I can't find the same buzz from a car as I get from a bike, I never will, it ain't gonna happen on pure comparison for 1. For 2 on cost per bhp, on 3 for bhp per ton there are numerous other reasons too, but suffice because of that I don't hold the same purity to driving a car so that leaves room for distractions, toys in other words, the omega has loads ESP when toys per £ ratio is considered, its why I drive an omega, and 2woody along with his very good and valid reasons drives waht he does.

Where our interests cross is the v8 and the wonderful noise, power and experience it offers. That and engines generally of course.

...and being a cake (and pie, pasty, curry) and eat it type of guy, I want the best of both worlds, well 3 worlds actually, I want toys from an omega, an engine from a Holden, and economy from LPG. Not too much to ask I don't fink... ;D  ;)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 22 November 2010, 23:34:23
...or I suppose the other way of looking at it, put toys and LPG in a Holden...?
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 23 November 2010, 00:13:48
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...or I suppose the other way of looking at it, put toys and LPG in a Holden...?

Problem is, (factory fit) toys are never going to play in a different car (without major ball-ache), and a LPG'ed Holden would have zero boot space. :(

Kevin
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 23 November 2010, 00:58:53
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...or I suppose the other way of looking at it, put toys and LPG in a Holden...?

Problem is, (factory fit) toys are never going to play in a different car (without major ball-ache), and a LPG'ed Holden would have zero boot space. :(

Kevin
And a conciderably larger bill than an mv8/elite v8 even if it could be done easily....
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 23 November 2010, 09:30:36
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And a conciderably larger bill than an mv8/elite v8 even if it could be done easily....

 :y

MV8..  :-* like it. Has a nice ring to it.

Kevin
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Post by: feeutfo on 23 November 2010, 10:07:48
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And a conciderably larger bill than an mv8/elite v8 even if it could be done easily....

 :y

MV8..  :-* like it. Has a nice ring to it.

Kevin
Ooh, do I hear a plan hatching? Happy to help  [smiley=evil.gif] maybe in the summer when it's warmer in the Westy...?  ;)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: 2woody on 26 November 2010, 09:55:37
serious question... do you think there would be any mileage in me pricing up doing a run of V8 conversions ? say 5 ?
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 26 November 2010, 10:12:04
Yep. It's all down to cost ATM. If cheap enough, and we can source the lumps, yes IMO.

Although I still need to look at insurance costs  :-[ which may kill the whole idea stone dead for me.  :'(
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: aaronjb on 26 November 2010, 10:19:29
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serious question... do you think there would be any mileage in me pricing up doing a run of V8 conversions ? say 5 ?

Yes please!

Oh wait.. wasn't I supposed to not modify this car? Oh well! ;D

(For that matter, if you have a good source of reasonably priced engines, I might be interested in just a lump, too)
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: feeutfo on 26 November 2010, 13:52:25
Been quoted £911 to insure with Ls1, and uprated brakes and suspension. So I reckon that's a doable.  :y
Title: Re: V8s...
Post by: hotrod222278 on 26 November 2010, 17:00:21
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serious question... do you think there would be any mileage in me pricing up doing a run of V8 conversions ? say 5 ?
I'll tell you if its worth it when im finished with mine, but expensive so far!!!