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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: david036 on 15 December 2010, 14:09:39
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I'm in the process of looking for a 4x4. Need to tow quite a lot, or another elite would have been bought last week!!
What would you OOf people go for?
It has to be a LWB budget up to 2K fuel doesn't matter, auto prefered cos of the towing but not essential!!
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I sold a 4x4 (grand cherokee) to buy the mig estate for towing and wouldn't go back,I find the mig much more stable.Obviously if you need to tow off road then its a different ballgame
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suzuki grand vitara 2.5 v6 auto my mrs has one fantastic 4x4 :y
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Depends on what you want to tow, I tow a lot, some 4x4 will not tow much at all the smaller ones in particular, but if you want to tow a large caravan you will need a big vehicle, the older shoguns or Disco's are the best bet, spares are cheao and plentyfull for the disco.
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Still considering an omega, as there train weight is quite high, as been mentioned before better than some maller 4x4's!!
We tow a lot of cars around,recently we've had omega's Kia Sedona,s Mondeo so something bigger would suit better I think!! Have seen a couple of cherokee had one in the past and was a great car, also considering the Shogun Sport? Not sure views on these??
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I can't really comment on anything other than Discoverys. I've had mine for almost 4 years now, and despite the odd problem, it's a vehicle that I cant ever imagine selling. It really is that good!
However, they can be prone to rusting, but find a good one, and it will be a fantastic bit of kit.
If you want to know what areas to look out for tin-worm on them, just drop me a PM through my profile.
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1995-1997 Range Rover? Luxury and towing power in one package.
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1995-1997 Range Rover? Luxury and towing power in one package.
And if you can find one the 2.5td hse (p38) ;D ;D
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I'm liking the idea of the Range Rover, is the diesel the best on to go for? Are there different spec levels, or which one has the top spec?
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LR Defender :y :y :y
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Defender or Disco, or Range Rover classic absolutely. a P38 (after 1995) no way - just about the most unreliable vehicle ever. Just try and find one with fully-functioning suspension and heater controls.
Actually, I well remember an article in "Land Rover Owner", entitled "ten reasons NOT to buy a P38". They're truly shocking to deserve that accolade from a LandRover mag.
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Defender or Disco, or Range Rover classic absolutely. a P38 (after 1995) no way - just about the most unreliable vehicle ever. Just try and find one with fully-functioning suspension and heater controls.
Actually, I well remember an article in "Land Rover Owner", entitled "ten reasons NOT to buy a P38". They're truly shocking to deserve that accolade from a LandRover mag.
agreed,p38 is woeful for having so many issues and the 2.5td is gutless and thirsty in auto form and not much better as a (rare) manual
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I've had my P38 4.6HSE for 4 years.
Has never let me down, fully functioning heating and suspension.
In fact spent more on the wifes Omega since she's had it (nearly 2 years) than the Rangie in 4.
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regarding 2.5td rangerover, used to take care of two of them for friends, one did have an airbag go, but i serviced them to bnw specs not range intervals and the black one last time i looked had 235k on it the blue one had 190 both had no problems all the time i was serviceing them, except for things like leak off pipes, brake wear on pads oh and selector switch on g,box also needed cleaning a couple of times, did get asked to sort a red vogue dhse, got there and it was a non start, got it firing but very roughly, asked him how often it had been serviced, the answer was.................................... had it 4.5years and never touched it!!! it needed another engine!!!
jm2pw
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Got to be a Rangie. Have a late 2001 P38 4.0.
Faultless - its been through fields, towed all sorts and trampled through 2 feet of snow.
Faults - Usual nonsense on any similar vehicle - heated seats, bulb in heater unit.
Jag is going - so in love with the Rangey that were buying a newer l322 - anyone going 4x4 really should go Rangey.
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I'll be looking at a L322 when I change.
Most probably a 4.4 V8
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I have had a couple of Classic Range Rovers you have to keep on top of them but its like any car you buy, you do all the usual jobs then you lok after it properly. . you never know how well the other owners have looked after it.. .
I have also owned a couple of P38's. . the one I have now is creating me a little stress as it is over fueling of the scale when I took it for MOT, plus the Land Rover computer will not read the ECU for some reason to tell me what the problem is :( so it could be a box of Swan Vesta soon ;D
All in all though for money and what you get I think the Range Rovers are a good 4 x 4 . . . V8's sound lovely, they go pretty well too when you press the go faster pedal, about 18-20 mpg, but best of all for me when Mrs Loo-knee & Loo-knee Jnr's are in it I feel they are safe if that makes sense. .
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Disco or Rangie for towing big stuff, and any Defender/Disco/Rangie for serious off road.
As others have pointed out, the BMW molested Rangies (mid nineties onwards) do have some serious reliability issues.
2.5TD one (basically the same engine as 2.5TD Omegas) is underpowered for this application, and it shows with poor performance and poor mpg.
Early rangies, Series I and II Discos, and very old defenders do suffer from rot.
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i think it was only the "p38" which suffered from poor reliability. the design was finished immediately before he BMW takeover.
have just started ooking at L322's - incredible value for money, have seen them down to £8500, for what is a "current-shape" Range Rover.
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i think it was only the "p38" which suffered from poor reliability. the design was finished immediately before he BMW takeover.
And then BMW introduced some cost cutting measures :-X
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Well if you want to get MUDDY then get one like mine...
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/siwar72/8828_1233961294915_1405650993_30692041_6164733_n.jpg)
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Well if you want to get MUDDY then get one like mine...
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/siwar72/8828_1233961294915_1405650993_30692041_6164733_n.jpg)
;) Good to see the non-stick number plate coating is working well! ;D
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Well if you want to get MUDDY then get one like mine...
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e366/siwar72/8828_1233961294915_1405650993_30692041_6164733_n.jpg)
;) Good to see the non-stick number plate coating is working well! ;D
Lol,
Had just done a Mud Run at a festival, then went off to Tesco's for the beer run for the evening event.
So to keep car legal had just cleaned Plates and Lights ;-)
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So to keep car legal had just cleaned Plates and Lights ;-)
A rare sight these days. :y :y
I've seen loads of cars today where the lazy bat stewards can't be bothered to clear snow from lights & number plates. :-? :-?
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So to keep car legal had just cleaned Plates and Lights ;-)
A rare sight these days. :y :y
I've seen loads of cars today where the lazy bat stewards can't be bothered to clear snow from lights & number plates. :-? :-?
Proper 4x4ers in official clubs stick to the rules of the road and off-road :-)
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Proper 4x4ers in official clubs stick to the rules of the road and off-road :-)
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The only real 4x4 is a Series Land Rover, basic but like a meccano set to fix..... :y :y
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Ah, but unless it's an early series Landy they're not permanent 4x4, which is why you're better off with a Defender.
I do lurve splitting hairs. ;)
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Ah, but unless it's an early series Landy they're not permanent 4x4, which is why you're better off with a Defender.
I do lurve splitting hairs. ;)
But, you don't need permanent 4x4 and as long as there is enough slippy stuff down can use in 4x4 without axle wind up....... :P
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I love my disco been great in this weather, it's a 300tdi 3.9 V8, head gasket presently blowing sunroof leaks wing mirror knocked off got a vibration at about 65 would I swap it NO unless its a 110 csw. :y
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4.2 TD landcruiser 80, king of the road and high spec depending on model. I have a 1996 GS 4.2 TD and have replaced the suspension and bushes, timing belt and all oils and it is fantastic. No real rust issues, build quality is superb over landrovers, 3 diff locks, loads of power and comfort. Can get them with 5 or 7 seats.
You pays your money and takes your choice, landrovers are good till they break or rust, which they do often
Cheers,
Iain
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Ecery car has its problens though. . I dobt think land rover parts sre dear if you find the right placex.
I hsve noe sorted this range rover which was doing 9.3 mog and drunk 60 quid in a few hours :( they do feel likealuxyury car for the money you can .uy they for.
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Hi Daz,
True enough but landrovers have it built in, lucas electrics and poor metals with no protection do them no favours, always something to fix. I've had no problems at all with the landcruiser in 4 months, just keeps on going, and can't grudge it on fuel either, getting over 300 miles out of a tank and thats me driving it like I stole it ;D
Iain
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Character builfing Ian lAd lmap ;D
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Get a Defender - I luvs 'em ::)
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I love my disco been great in this weather, it's a 300tdi 3.9 V8, head gasket presently blowing sunroof leaks wing mirror knocked off got a vibration at about 65 would I swap it NO unless its a 110 csw. :y
Bit of a clash there>>>>>
Is it a 300Tdi (Which is a 2.5ltr Discovery 1 Series 300 Diesel)
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A Discovery 1 Series 300 / 3.9ltr V8 Petrol??
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Thinking of an Audi Quattro of some description here for mother or father T if these winters continue
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Thinking of an Audi Quattro of some description here for mother or father T if these winters continue
do you know if the auto quattro is a 'proper' fluid drive auto or a DSG? :-/
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Hmm, I've been thinking about getting a Range Rover on and off last few months...
And yesterday I was speaking to someone I know quite well that has around 3-4 range rover classics on his farm which havn't been used for months. (Hes also got 4-5 Discos by the sound of it too)
Need to go have a look in daylight some time.
Dont know much about them other than ones a 300tdi? and anothers had an engine transplant from a GMC truck? was told its a 6.2L V8 Diesel :P
I also know that one is a Vouge, and another an SE? And all the air bags work on at least one of them.
I will be honest, I know bugger all about Range Rovers, But the 6.2L Diesel v8 sounds like fun, however I guess getting insurance on it maybe hard (im 23).
Any thoughts?
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Ecery car has its problens though. . I dobt think land rover parts sre dear if you find the right placex.
I hsve noe sorted this range rover which was doing 9.3 mog and drunk 60 quid in a few hours :( they do feel likealuxyury car for the money you can .uy they for.
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Daz, read this when you are sober..... ;D ;D ;D
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Thinking of an Audi Quattro of some description here for mother or father T if these winters continue
do you know if the auto quattro is a 'proper' fluid drive auto or a DSG? :-/
I think most/all quattro's which have autoboxes are of the 'fluid' kind, ie like the Omega, put them in D and go....
Even current shape ones I was sat in the Audi dealer near work, just had an auto stick and D, no flappy things behind steering wheel.
Something like this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201047373629052/sort/priceasc/model/a8/make/audi/radius/1500/postcode/tw89de/page/5/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/14059/usedcars?logcode=flp
Saw this, notice stuck 'off-roaders'
A8 powers through...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAORFjO3cGI
While i love bit of RWD action in snow, mother T wants something a bit more 'planted'
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Thinking of an Audi Quattro of some description here for mother or father T if these winters continue
do you know if the auto quattro is a 'proper' fluid drive auto or a DSG? :-/
I think most/all quattro's which have autoboxes are of the 'fluid' kind, ie like the Omega, put them in D and go....
Even current shape ones I was sat in the Audi dealer near work, just had an auto stick and D, no flappy things behind steering wheel.
Something like this:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201047373629052/sort/priceasc/model/a8/make/audi/radius/1500/postcode/tw89de/page/5/advert-type/featured-listing/dealer/14059/usedcars?logcode=flp
Saw this, notice stuck 'off-roaders'
A8 powers through...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAORFjO3cGI
While i love bit of RWD action in snow, mother T wants something a bit more 'planted'
Mmm? :-/ I'd forgotten about the A8. I did find this though ..... who needs a snow plough? ;D
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNvXGc79aY[/media]
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Yeah I saw that, we started off thinking about an A6 All Road, but it looks like all Quattro systems do the business in the snow!
A8 is one i'd go for, cabin build on the A8 makes the Omega feel like a 80's Fiat ::)
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Yeah I saw that, we started off thinking about an A6 All Road, but it looks like all Quattro systems do the business in the snow!
A8 is one i'd go for, cabin build on the A8 makes the Omega feel like a 80's Fiat ::)
The A8 is the nicer looking of the other Audis. I'm not struck on the Allroad, it looks like they ran out of paint to do the bumpers. ::) ;)
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Yeah I saw that, we started off thinking about an A6 All Road, but it looks like all Quattro systems do the business in the snow!
A8 is one i'd go for, cabin build on the A8 makes the Omega feel like a 80's Fiat ::)
The A8 is the nicer looking of the other Audis. I'm not struck on the Allroad, it looks like they ran out of paint to do the bumpers. ::) ;)
Yeah they remind me of the Renault Scenic 4x4 they did, which just looked like they stuck bits of plastic on ::)
Ground clearance is not something we or most folk need on main roads, its better traction.
A8 Interior on the new ish shapes stays same too, outside had a refresh for that new corprate grill around 2005.
I really do like the centre console / gear shift area, everything just at reach with left hand, media controls, volume, ect. Huge amount of space for left foot, everything felt sooo solid. Media / Radio console was logical too, very simple to use.
Rear space is impressive as is the boot, those V8 TD's don't have shift and sound like petrol from inside!
Down sides will be when it does go wrong will cost a fortune, they are generally bomb proof
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Get a Defender - I luvs 'em ::)
Defenders are awesome off road but dogs on it, especially if you're fairly broad. If you're towing long miles then I'd stick to the Range Rover or Disco.
Not tried Isuzu but aren't they supposed to be pretty reliable?
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isuzu trooper or if you want auto the bighorn is sweet,ive had a disco 200 tdi and did the usual head gasket...crank pulley...hub oil seals which led to brakes amongst alot of other jobs and i went offroad at tong with it and what a machine(towed well too)but this time i got bighorn and what a difference a disco is a tractor with comfier seats and a stereo,the bighorn is more refined and just as capable off road(but landrover are world class).if this bighorn ive got ever gives in i would either fix or replace with another bighorn,plus its suspension is tweaked by lotus and it does drive well on the road