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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tonyyeb on 02 January 2011, 13:37:13
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Unleaded and diesel are both now verry expensive, and there's a further duty hike planned for April / May.
In light of this, how will this affect your use of your V6 Omega?
I use mine as my daily driver - do about 160 routine miles a week - add pleasure mileage on to that. What about you lot?
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I'm suddenly looking at diesel migs in desperation, currently wanging anything up to £80 a week into my v6 and it's getting increasingly painful! Talk about fuel becoming prohibitively expensive, I don't like walking and I'm too fat to ride a bike! :y
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I'm lucky in that the majority of my driving is paid by the company at 40p / mile. About half of that covers the fuel. Fortunately I only buy old miggies otherwise I'd be out of pocket! That 40p a mile (before tax is paid) hasn't change in 10 (?) years? Way overdue a rise IMO!
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When do we get the results?!
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10 days.... [smiley=laugh.gif]
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Oh and another thing - I tend to run mine around on approx 1/2 tank all the time, unless I'm going long-distance, when obviously I'll fill it up (then fill it up AGAIN!)
Do any of you ROUTINELY run your V6's around on full tanks most of the time?
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Mine's already LPG'd but we noticed today that the local LPG station has gone up again from 78.9 a week ago to 82.9 today... Then we'll have the VAT rise on top on Tuesday too >:( >:( >:(
That's an increase from around 55ppl this time last year :o :o Definitely think that my next car will be a large oil burning barge :-X :-/
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Where's the 'Do nothing' vote? ;D
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I am also running on LPG, but it is going up in leaps and bounds.
I am trying to use the car less and drive on a light throttle etc. but if fuel keeps rising the way it has recently and wages stay static then I shall be changing cars this year, and the single most important factor will be fuel running costs.
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Where's the 'Do nothing' vote? ;D
Ditto
I am one of the lucky ones, my current contract allows me to walk to work, so no expensive fuel for me.
When this contract ends in 3 months, I may have to make a difficult decision. Is it true that fuel could rise to 150p per litre this year?? :'( :'( :'(
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It could easily hit £1.50 this year, heck I wouldn't be surprised if it's into £2.00 a litre by the middle of next year.
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Here's a solution to rising petrol/diesel prices :-
buy one of these :-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1999-LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-TD5-ES-BLUE-/270685649052?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f061f389c
put used veggie oil in this :-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/120L-Bio-Diesel-Processor-Including-start-up-chemicals-/130410387150?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e5d1096ce
and it will only cost you approx 10p/litre to run :y
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Here's a solution to rising petrol/diesel prices :-
buy one of these :-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1999-LAND-ROVER-DISCOVERY-TD5-ES-BLUE-/270685649052?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f061f389c
put used veggie oil in this :-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/120L-Bio-Diesel-Processor-Including-start-up-chemicals-/130410387150?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e5d1096ce
and it will only cost you approx 10p/litre to run :y
Until the government realise they're missing out on all that duty & tax revenue, and make it impossible to buy used oil without some kind of an environmental license so they can track & tax the end product (which, IIRC, you are supposed to declare to the tax man already..)
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Oh and another thing - I tend to run mine around on approx 1/2 tank all the time, unless I'm going long-distance, when obviously I'll fill it up (then fill it up AGAIN!)
Do any of you ROUTINELY run your V6's around on full tanks most of the time?
Nope, half-tanks all the way apart from just before Christmas because a) I wasn't planning on many miles and figured the speed fuel was going up I'd be saving even if I burnt a bit extra carrying it around and b) anything to get a bit more grip in the snow (i.e. extra weight near back wheels.)
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Do any of you ROUTINELY run your V6's around on full tanks most of the time?
I always fill mine to the brim (both cars) - can't see the point in doing anything else, really. 30Kg of fuel in a 1700Kg car is a drop in the ocean, and it beats having to go to the petrol station every week.
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curently 1.64£/litre here >:( so mostly using a 4 pot small car for daily commute.. :'(
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Bought an ex cop 3.2v6 few months back as a bit of a project. Though with the wonderful announcement from the government some months back that vat was going up to 20%, now a hike in fuel prices, looking likely that I'm going to have to have a rethink now :'( .
We're going to be in the process of a house move later, so looking like both Migs will have to go, and end up with some 3-4pot shopping car just to get about in.
Seems to be that everyone (service / energy providers) in the world have suddenly become more greedy than ever now >:(.
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I voted the same. having had the other Omega for 11 years there isn't much more economy driving to be learnt. However the project car , despite being a 3 litre, delivers more MPG than the 23 I was used to. And it goes much better!
It is a worry though. I cannot see world prices going down and can't really see the case for it going up - apart from greed. Unleaded was 1.26 euros last week. We use a lot this time of the year taking produce to the co op with a trailer.
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Mine's already LPG'd but we noticed today that the local LPG station has gone up again from 78.9 a week ago to 82.9 today... Then we'll have the VAT rise on top on Tuesday too >:( >:( >:(
That's an increase from around 55ppl this time last year :o :o Definitely think that my next car will be a large oil burning barge :-X :-/
The gap between LPG and petrol / diesel is dropping rapidly. Since I am doing 700m per week I am reaching a decision point sooner. I will be checking which motors can run on BioDiesel though ;)
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The price hikes will not stop me using my V6, and if I had a V8 or even a V12, I would not stop driving as I do!!
Well I do not smoke, drink, and gamble so driving is my very enjoyable vice! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The developing nations - china in particular - are using more and more of the oil reserves, so increased demand must mean increasing prices for the foreseeable imo.
The only way that the price could change dramatically, would be for the govt. to reduce the duty but that is never going to happen. they have little leeway to do so financially and of course, it is deemed to be good for the planet to be seen to be doing something about us evil users of the internal combustion engine.
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The developing nations - china in particular - are using more and more of the oil reserves, so increased demand must mean increasing prices for the foreseeable imo.
The only way that the price could change dramatically, would be for the govt. to reduce the duty but that is never going to happen. they have little leeway to do so financially and of course, it is deemed to be good for the planet to be seen to be doing something about us evil users of the internal combustion engine.
Biodiesel is the way to go; kind to the planet, a renewable resource and more importantly it's cheap :y
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The developing nations - china in particular - are using more and more of the oil reserves, so increased demand must mean increasing prices for the foreseeable imo.
The only way that the price could change dramatically, would be for the govt. to reduce the duty but that is never going to happen. they have little leeway to do so financially and of course, it is deemed to be good for the planet to be seen to be doing something about us evil users of the internal combustion engine.
Biodiesel is the way to go; kind to the planet, a renewable resource and more importantly it's cheap :y
The main problem is finding a motor that will run on the stuff. I've yet to find a simple list of cars that will run without issue. I gather that the older ones (pre commonrail) will run on pretty much anything but the newer engines are more fussy.
That being said I've seen mention that the new skoda 1.9 units appear to be fine...... it all gets confusing ::)
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This increase won't change my mind about buying a 3.2 Elite. As pointed out in another thread, you get luxury and reasonably cheap maintenance costs. As long as there are people like Daz and Welung around I'm driving Omegas.
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The developing nations - china in particular - are using more and more of the oil reserves, so increased demand must mean increasing prices for the foreseeable imo.
The only way that the price could change dramatically, would be for the govt. to reduce the duty but that is never going to happen. they have little leeway to do so financially and of course, it is deemed to be good for the planet to be seen to be doing something about us evil users of the internal combustion engine.
Biodiesel is the way to go; kind to the planet, a renewable resource and more importantly it's cheap :y
The main problem is finding a motor that will run on the stuff. I've yet to find a simple list of cars that will run without issue. I gather that the older ones (pre commonrail) will run on pretty much anything but the newer engines are more fussy.
That being said I've seen mention that the new skoda 1.9 units appear to be fine...... it all gets confusing ::)
Click on cars/vans then your manufacture of choice and it will give you an idea of which cars you can run on either SVO/biodiesel - you dont have to buy the kit if you want to run on biodiesel
http://www.elsbett.de/forms/ekit
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my omega has gone a bit gutted but we are saving to buy another house later in the year and really cant justify up to 120 a week on petrol which soon would probably more like up to 140 my biggest problem is i also drive in london a lot and only really got around 17 mpg i will buy another one once we have bought the house but for now every penny helps the migs replacement is only a 1.8 and very good on fuel so should help save a bit of cash :(
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Click on cars/vans then your manufacture of choice and it will give you an idea of which cars you can run on either SVO/biodiesel - you dont have to buy the kit if you want to run on biodiesel
http://www.elsbett.de/forms/ekit
Brilliant, thank you :)
Hmmmm, it is tempting to get a motor that can run directly from SVO. It seems that quite a few are unable to run biodiesel without a kit? e.g. Ford Mondeo.
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Ok fuels gone up, what to replace the omega with? And how much will that cost to buy? Add in running costs etc, what's the cheapest option that keeps us in the manor to which we are accustomed?
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Ok fuels gone up, what to replace the omega with? And how much will that cost to buy? Add in running costs etc, what's the cheapest option that keeps us in the manor to which we are accustomed?
luckily sod all i was offered a swap for mine :y
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Ok fuels gone up, what to replace the omega with? And how much will that cost to buy? Add in running costs etc, what's the cheapest option that keeps us in the manor to which we are accustomed?
sell me your omega then ! ;D
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I think I'm gonna have to think about selling mine. I absolutely love it and it's been running like a dream lately, no problems at all (touch wood) but I can't help resenting the amount I'm having to put in the tank lately :(
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I'll just keep pumping it in. Can't see any other option really. I need a large heavy car for towing the caravan.
It does make a massive difference in travelling costs when towing the caravan with the Omega to holidaying solo with the BMW 330d though.
It's 17mpg against 50mpg. More money for beer. ;D
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Ok fuels gone up, what to replace the omega with? And how much will that cost to buy? Add in running costs etc, what's the cheapest option that keeps us in the manor to which we are accustomed?
sell me your omega then ! ;D
Serious question. Will we be better off? ....or how long will it take to be better off? Bit like LPG payback.
Could go out and buy some pissy liitle pram on wheels with a bucket of bolts in the engine bay true enough, but I could have done that years ago. We all could have... :-?
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buy yourself a motorbike (not a scooter) and just keep the miggy for best (sundays and meets) ;D
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I'm in a catch 22. Three kids, 11yrs, 6yrs and 13 months. I need a vehicle of this size due to the kids, but due to having 3 kids I'm skint. I may be looking at diesels but it's just after crimbo and the price of them, even the non-runners, is increasing exponentially daily now, and I thought people only panic bought bread and milk! >:(
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Why sell now you will get jack s !! for them and it will cost a fortune to buy an economical and (older) car. just keep the v6 running i will thats for sure :y :y
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Why sell now you will get jack s !! for them and it will cost a fortune to buy an economical and (older) car. just keep the v6 running i will thats for sure :y :y
In which case I'll buy a small diesel for now and keep the mig in mothballs until the revolution! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! ::)
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I'm in a catch 22. Three kids, 11yrs, 6yrs and 13 months. I need a vehicle of this size due to the kids, but due to having 3 kids I'm skint. I may be looking at diesels but it's just after crimbo and the price of them, even the non-runners, is increasing exponentially daily now, and I thought people only panic bought bread and milk! >:(
The 11 year old is old enough to be working down t' mines or up t' chimneys, surely ;)
And Chris - surely to remain in the manner to which you're accustomed you'd have to buy something equally large and equally refined and equally thirsty (or thereabouts) - E39/E60? That's going to cost you a packet to buy.. or I guess a late E34, or similar Audi/VW. VW Phaeton maybe? Prices of those dropped like a stone IIRC, but I bet they'll eat even more consumables than the Omega..
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Should add to my comment that I intend to keep mine on the road until it dies, but I expect it's replacement will be a BMW 530/730d as they are big (needs to be for my height and the 'van), comfy and pretty frugal to run. Yes, I know it will cost more to buy in the first place but I'll do all the maintenance (like I do on the Omega) so that cost won't be dramatically higher, even when you take into account the higher parts prices ;)
With the amount LPG has shot up (proportionally to Petrol/Diesel) around me I can't justify the expense of converting another V6. :-/
Luckily, I've done about 50k on LPG since I converted this one, saving about 10ppl so a £5000 saving on my £700 outlay makes me a happy bunny ;D ;D :y :y This car hasn't cost me anything to buy or run if you look at that figure ::) ::) ;D ;D :y :y
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I'm in a catch 22. Three kids, 11yrs, 6yrs and 13 months. I need a vehicle of this size due to the kids, but due to having 3 kids I'm skint. I may be looking at diesels but it's just after crimbo and the price of them, even the non-runners, is increasing exponentially daily now, and I thought people only panic bought bread and milk! >:(
A lot of the motors in my area are all between £500 and 1k over book price for Diesels.
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I'm in a catch 22. Three kids, 11yrs, 6yrs and 13 months. I need a vehicle of this size due to the kids, but due to having 3 kids I'm skint. I may be looking at diesels but it's just after crimbo and the price of them, even the non-runners, is increasing exponentially daily now, and I thought people only panic bought bread and milk! >:(
The 11 year old is old enough to be working down t' mines or up t' chimneys, surely ;)
And Chris - surely to remain in the manner to which you're accustomed you'd have to buy something equally large and equally refined and equally thirsty (or thereabouts) - E39/E60? That's going to cost you a packet to buy.. or I guess a late E34, or similar Audi/VW. VW Phaeton maybe? Prices of those dropped like a stone IIRC, but I bet they'll eat even more consumables than the Omega..
Thankyou, defence rests. :y
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although where's Kevin? he'll make a good clear case one way or the other.
Kevin Wood to...what section am i in? yes...KEVIN WOOD TO GENERAL CAR CHAT PLEEEEEASE :)
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although where's Kevin? he'll make a good clear case one way or the other.
Kevin Wood to...what section am i in? yes...KEVIN WOOD TO GENERAL CAR CHAT PLEEEEEASE :)
Steady, he'll come in and tell us all to buy lightweight two seaters with no roofs as they'll be much more fuel efficient than an Omega!
Although.. he would have a point ;D
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These gas prices are pretty bad over in the States and especially being a Cadillac. They recommend using premium unleaded which is $3.50 a gallon.
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I have not put rapeseed/diesel mix in a car since the last time there were crazy fuel prices.
I think its time again. Bosch pump? Put 50/50 diesel/supermarket rapessed in the tank - start saving. Trouble is the supermarkets cashed in 2 years ago... whats your cheapest thin cooking oil price?
The only concern may be if your lift pump is a bit tired and its sub-zero temp- but I cant see 50/50 being a problem. 85% rape and 5% petrol? I'll leave that until the litre price is >£2.00!
Database
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/fuelsdatabase/database/az_list.php?alphabet=v
forum - some omega info in there.
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php
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I have not put rapeseed/diesel mix in a car since the last time there were crazy fuel prices.
I think its time again. Bosch pump? Put 50/50 diesel/supermarket rapessed in the tank - start saving. Trouble is the supermarkets cashed in 2 years ago... whats your cheapest thin cooking oil price?
The only concern may be if your lift pump is a bit tired and its sub-zero temp- but I cant see 50/50 being a problem. 85% rape and 5% petrol? I'll leave that until the litre price is >£2.00!
Database
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/fuelsdatabase/database/az_list.php?alphabet=v
forum - some omega info in there.
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/index.php
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That site confirms my initial research in that the older style diesel engines will run on SVO or WVO. Biodiesel sellers appear to be few and far between, the general consensus seems to be to make your own. Supermarkets are already loading the price of SVO making it more expensive than the diesel. I'd be tempted to get an older car to run on it, but I do need to be..... erm presentable at work.
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123.9 unlead95,128.9 diesel, at garage near to me.
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zirax -
There is a thread from not so long back where SVO was discussed here... may be interesting for you.
I have run 3 different cars on SVO mix.
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although where's Kevin? he'll make a good clear case one way or the other.
Kevin Wood to...what section am i in? yes...KEVIN WOOD TO GENERAL CAR CHAT PLEEEEEASE :)
Steady, he'll come in and tell us all to buy lightweight two seaters with no roofs as they'll be much more fuel efficient than an Omega!
Although.. he would have a point ;D
Eh? What? What have I missed?
It's something I've considered, actually. Building a kit car for fuel economy as a garage companion for the one that was built for speed. ;)
Reckon it needs a more aerodynamic body than the Westfield. Perhaps a Fury? http://www.fishersportscars.co.uk/
I've seen a diesel Westfield. Pretty quick. 0-60 in 6s and 60MPG. Owner reckoned having a gearbox was a waste of time. :D Can't see it being a very involving drive, though, so I'd favour a small, light, revvy 4-pot. Rover K series, Ford Sigma or the little Ecotec? I guess the Corsa GSi Turbo Ecotec could probably be made to return decent fuel consumption, but the temptation to play might spoil it. :-/ ::)
Kevin
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Sorry to hear that so many of you are being economically forced towards motoring blandness in the form of cheaper and duller cars.
Both chrisgixer and Aaronjb make the case for my viewpoint - what can you possibly buy that rewards and satisfies in the same way that a good V6 miggy does that is affordable to buy, reasonable to run, and that has good and reasonably priced parts availability?
Those of you that are compelled to do high weekly mileages in your V6's are caught in a bind, and i feel for you all. I can cope with the price increases virtue of the fact that I'm not committed to do more than 160 miles a week. I also do a shift or two at my local pub for a bit of extra cash, cash that I basically earn for petrol money. I'll just do another one or two of those, and i won't be out of pocket.
I am concerned about the spiralling nature of the cost of fuel, but today (as i am most days when I drive the Elite [smiley=laugh.gif]) I was happily reminded of why I won't part with it, or drive it less. Driving through Salisbury very slowly in traffic, I turned off into a side street and briefly nailed it by way of light relief. The large houses either side of the street bounced the gorgeous noise of the exhaust back at me, and I'm briefly rocketing down the road with a huge grin on my face..... [smiley=laugh.gif]
Honestly - what price happiness??
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although where's Kevin? he'll make a good clear case one way or the other.
Kevin Wood to...what section am i in? yes...KEVIN WOOD TO GENERAL CAR CHAT PLEEEEEASE :)
Steady, he'll come in and tell us all to buy lightweight two seaters with no roofs as they'll be much more fuel efficient than an Omega!
Although.. he would have a point ;D
Eh? What? What have I missed?
It's something I've considered, actually. Building a kit car for fuel economy as a garage companion for the one that was built for speed. ;)
Reckon it needs a more aerodynamic body than the Westfield. Perhaps a Fury? http://www.fishersportscars.co.uk/
I've seen a diesel Westfield. Pretty quick. 0-60 in 6s and 60MPG. Owner reckoned having a gearbox was a waste of time. :D Can't see it being a very involving drive, though, so I'd favour a small, light, revvy 4-pot. Rover K series, Ford Sigma or the little Ecotec? I guess the Corsa GSi Turbo Ecotec could probably be made to return decent fuel consumption, but the temptation to play might spoil it. :-/ ::)
Kevin
Don't worry, I was just putting words in your mouth ;)
Though you reminded me that someone also stuck (at least I think they completed it) a diesel into the MR2 Roadster - that was another one where the gearbox was apparently quite redundant, but like you I just can't see it being an 'involving' drive.. I'm all for low-down grunt, but I like an engine that continues to sing high up, not one that runs out of revs at 4000..
The Fury is nice, but I think an Ultima GTR would be nice and aerodynamic, don't you ;)
[edit] Oh and one that came to mind going back to my reply to Chris earlier - what about the big Volvos? The T5/850 et al - big, barge like, presumably pretty comfy and in later models rather refined..
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The Fury is nice, but I think an Ultima GTR would be nice and aerodynamic, don't you ;)
Don't know why I didn't think of that before...
I wonder if the 6.3 in the back will affect the fuel consumption? I'm sure it will be OK. Would probably save me a fortune. :y
I used to camp at the same site as the Ultima club at Le Mans. They certainly managed to generate some bar stories. One of the guys has apparently received a letter saying he's no longer welcome in Belgium after the run from Zeebrugge to the French border was a little spirited (especially the last 10 miles when the helicopter was chasing him). :o
Kevin
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I wonder if the 6.3 in the back will affect the fuel consumption? I'm sure it will be OK. Would probably save me a fortune. :y
I'm sure it'd be fine - the Americans have been using those engines for years, how bad could they .. oh, wait, what am I saying? ;D
Always did really fancy an Ultima, though, until I saw the prices of the various bits of kit :'(
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Always did really fancy an Ultima, though, until I saw the prices of the various bits of kit :'(
Yep. No recycled bits of Sierra in one of those. ;D
Then again, it shows, IMHO, and you get a lot of car for your money given that the performance is up there with cars costing many, many times as much.
Just not sure where I'd ever use it. Drive it on the road and you get too many letters through the door, and it'd be game over at the first speed hump. Drive it on the track and you'd probably still not be stretching its' legs, and an "off" would cost a fortune.
So nope. Don't want one. Really not. Honest. ;)
Kevin
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So nope. Don't want one. Really not. Honest. ;)
Noo.. that much is quite apparent ;)
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just heard on radio that by end of year petrol is going to £2.10.09p :o :o :o :o
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The price of petrol wont make any difference to me keeping my miggy. Everything goes up, gas electric, water . its just one more thing to plan into your budget.
The cost of replacing your Omega with a car of similar quality would be rediculous. So i'm gonna stick with my miggy for years yet :y :y :y
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got me that they strike few years back for 10p, and now up more nothing????
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Judging by the number of cars queueing at various petrol stations today when I was on my way home from work, you'd have though the world was down to its last few gallons! :-? :-?
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Judging by the number of cars queueing at various petrol stations today when I was on my way home from work, you'd have though the world was down to its last few gallons! :-? :-?
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Same up here Andy, noticed today as we went out, with a full tank of course... :) filled up on Friday ready for the weekend and we have not been out till today, which is good news as it means FIL has not died.... :)
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1.21 unleaded and 1.25 diesel at our local shell near me i think a lot of garages will be in competition with each other so i dont think prices will go up to much, yes ok we need petrol and diesel
i think the supermarkets(asda morrisons etc..) will keep there prices the lowest and vat is not going up on food and clothing so my advice keep an eye on them :y :y
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.... as it means FIL has not died.... :)
You've lost me Mike ...... :-/
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.... as it means FIL has not died.... :)
You've lost me Mike ...... :-/
Sorry Andy, sadly my Father in Law is in a bad way, thought he would not make Christmas, being practical I need to be ready, and a full tank is part of my plans.. :)
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.... as it means FIL has not died.... :)
You've lost me Mike ...... :-/
Sorry Andy, sadly my Father in Law is in a bad way, thought he would not make Christmas, being practical I need to be ready, and a full tank is part of my plans.. :)
Ah! Got you now. :(
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i would honestly rather look at going to the massage parlour less than to cut down using my mig. :y :y :y
...... or maybe it's time to stop going to the massage parlour and consumate the relationship with my mig??? murhahahahahaha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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81.9 for LPG out south-west :(
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Filled up today,
121.9 unleaded
Diesel I didn't take much notice of, no more than 126.9 though
LPG, a different garage 64.9
One of the benefits of living in the northeast!
Well that and not many bladdy saverners! ::) ::) ::)
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Filled up today,
121.9 unleaded
Diesel I didn't take much notice of, no more than 126.9 though
LPG, a different garage 64.9
One of the benefits of living in the northeast!
Well that and not many bladdy saverners! ::) ::) ::)
I wish I could still get it for that around here. Garages / suppliers are taking the proverbial at the moment.
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81.9 for LPG out south-west :(
That is petrol price when I converted
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I did a little survey of LPG prices today.
A12 Colchester 80p
2 garages in Clacton 85p
A12 Witham (where I get mine from) 70p
It has risen by at least 10% in the last month. :(
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About to put mine back on the road 8-).
Last time Ifilled it up, it was about 103.9. Now 128. :-X
Still cheaper than diesel though, so original maths still works, just. Probably costs 4p per mile more to run than my seat altea did, although that lost £10k in 2 years, so better off with mig. I know which is the better car :y
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125.9 petrol now and 128.9 and still going up.. herd that in scotland there are a few at 176.9 for petrol.