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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Julian on 08 January 2011, 14:00:08
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Hello,
I do not want to be negative about these guides as I have had to use just about every one and have been impressed by some of the photos of hard to see bits. The advice about camber is incorrect if you do the maths and I have standard wheels the measurements will give near to 2 degrees. The cleaning of diesel injectors states that the copper washers should be replaced, BMW do not list them as a part, a diesel engine specialist did not have any even in the odd washers draw, and he has never changed them saying that you just clean the seating areas bit of copper slip and do them up tight. There is no torque settings, no explanation of cleaning out the area around or in the injector thread area. The idea of using two spanners to split the body of the injector and standing on them, bad idea. I do not want to be negative as I said earlier but some of the advice can get you into trouble.
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Hi Julian and thanks for the feedback.
I would refer you to the section in red at the start of the guides, and in particular:-
Obviously safety is paramount. These guides are all written by members who have done the jobs themselves, none of whom are professional technical authors. Therfore, they are to be read on the merit of items that will assist you rather than a precise 'follow this to the letter' type guide.
Whilst every care is taken to ensure the accuracy of these guides, you should satisfy yourself that they are applicable to your vehicle, you have the necessary skills to carry out the task and that you follow the usual safety procedures associated with working on any car.........
None of these guides are endorsed by the owners or administrators of this forum. You follow any of these guides at your own risk.
Will move your post to the general car chat section as its really not something suitable for the test area. :y
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having never had to split an injector I've had to go & find out where/when/why a foot was used. Having now found it ...... what's wrong with that? Not everyone has use of a big vice on a solid bench to hold the injector in so you can swing off it with a big breaker. This is also the kind of thing we'd all do at work when out in production areas otherwise we'd spend longer walking to & from workshops with spanners than we would on the job. Common sense has to be used though otherwise you end up fubar'ing stuff. ;) ;) :y :y
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The cleaning of diesel injectors states that the copper washers should be replaced, BMW do not list them as a part, a diesel engine specialist did not have any even in the odd washers draw
Hiya Julian,
My local motor factors has drawers full of various dia/bore soft copper washers (some 'rolled' with a refractory-fibre filling).
Old-fashioned auto. shops often have that kind of useful hard-to-source stuff.
Personally, I have found the OOF maintenance guides to be very helpful; although sometimes I have to read them a few times first and then again as I`m doing the work if it`s a job that I`m not confident tackling for the first time......and also, sometimes I`ll ask members for clarification via one the the forum sections.:y
Do join in and contribute; perhaps you might like to help update the maintenance guide, if there are areas you think need clarification in depth of detail. ;)
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Hello,
I do not want to be negative about these guides as I have had to use just about every one and have been impressed by some of the photos of hard to see bits. The advice about camber is incorrect if you do the maths and I have standard wheels the measurements will give near to 2 degrees. The cleaning of diesel injectors states that the copper washers should be replaced, BMW do not list them as a part, a diesel engine specialist did not have any even in the odd washers draw, and he has never changed them saying that you just clean the seating areas bit of copper slip and do them up tight. There is no torque settings, no explanation of cleaning out the area around or in the injector thread area. The idea of using two spanners to split the body of the injector and standing on them, bad idea. I do not want to be negative as I said earlier but some of the advice can get you into trouble.
This is concerning, please could you explain in more detail. Which guide? And what procedure? Thanks.
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they are made by members, and they are not official guides from specialists (most of them :P). The only thing wrong with the guides is that there aren't pictures, not enough in some cases. for example the guide in changing the steering column has no pics just words. for international users its relativly hard to understand, but a pic makes more than 1000 words :P. On the door card removal the guide is complete just it does not say how to practicly remove it from the door because its a little stuck on the upper side at the glass. i removed all the screws, sockets from el win, puddle but couldn't get it off because i was afraid not to brake something :'(
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Please feel free to add an suggestions/modifications to any of the guides. Either post in test, or PM Jimbob
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Beware of who ever gave that poor advice on injector O rings.
The pressures they are exposed to are very high and with time, the copper goes hard and will not give a reliable seal.
You can get the washers pretty easily and they should be replaced, the absolute least you should do is re anneal the old ones before fitting.
And copper slip will not do a thing to aid sealing. :y :y
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Cant see anything wrong with the camber guide either
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At least people take the time to try and help other people, which is nice.
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Beware of who ever gave that poor advice on injector O rings.
The pressures they are exposed to are very high and with time, the copper goes hard and will not give a reliable seal.
You can get the washers pretty easily and they should be replaced, the absolute least you should do is re anneal the old ones before fitting.
And copper slip will not do a thing to aid sealing. :y :y
:-X. Although it has it's uses, I am intrigued where this stuff gets it's magical healing powers. Maybe I should have applied it liberally to those blasted Falkens. :D
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Cant see anything wrong with the camber guide either
....was assuming it was miss read tbh, but thanks Mark.
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an old mechanic once told me that by holding a copper washer over a flame for a few seconds helps the re- bedding in situ. as for Hoofing its guide , i personally would follow his guidance to the letter, he, :ys a very knowledgeable guy.
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Doesn't look like he's coming back after lobbing in those two firecrackers. ;D ;D ;D
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Doesn't look like he's coming back after lobbing in those two firecrackers. ;D ;D ;D
Given his postcount, and the fact he has used the guides, I'm guessing Julian is more of a lurker than an active member. Which is fine :)
I'm sure all the guides could be improved in some way, so I think he is right to make such queries/suggestions to see if we can improve them.
I think the copper washers have been covered before - I certainly struggled to get them from a Bosch Diesel 'specialist', who claimed not to sell them, so I annealed mine. A few of us have looked over the camber thing, none of us can see anything obvious - Julian, if you are reading, can you clarify what part you think needs extra clarity/modification?
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The maintenance guides are great and far more realistic than the Haynes "simply undo XYZ" versions whilst working on a brand new car without any rusted on components in a fully equiped garage. >:(
I am a reasonable competent DIY mechanic and maintain two Omegas (and two other cars ) yet I still use the guides as a reference.
Also, although not that active on the forum front I do appreciate all the efforts that have gone into making them. How do you get the time to take photos and how do you keep the camera/mobile clean whilst you take the shots?? :D
I would not be wthout the guides and also the forums. You learn so much by sharing yet I accept that some people will always find fault. That's life!
Keep up the good work. :)
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an old mechanic once told me that by holding a copper washer over a flame for a few seconds helps the re- bedding in situ. as for Hoofing its guide , i personally would follow his guidance to the letter, he, :ys a very knowledgeable guy.
Yes, until its dull red. No more, no less :y
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an old mechanic once told me that by holding a copper washer over a flame for a few seconds helps the re- bedding in situ. as for Hoofing its guide , i personally would follow his guidance to the letter, he, :ys a very knowledgeable guy.
Yes, until its dull red. No more, no less :y
As I have an oversize sump plug and washer, the latter has been annealed at least 6 times already. :y :y :y
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Hello,
I do not want to be negative about these guides as I have had to use just about every one and have been impressed by some of the photos of hard to see bits. The advice about camber is incorrect if you do the maths and I have standard wheels the measurements will give near to 2 degrees. The cleaning of diesel injectors states that the copper washers should be replaced, BMW do not list them as a part, a diesel engine specialist did not have any even in the odd washers draw, and he has never changed them saying that you just clean the seating areas bit of copper slip and do them up tight. There is no torque settings, no explanation of cleaning out the area around or in the injector thread area. The idea of using two spanners to split the body of the injector and standing on them, bad idea. I do not want to be negative as I said earlier but some of the advice can get you into trouble.
How many do you want ive got 100 of them :P
Julian the post was done with limited tools as most of us oofers dont have fancy garages kitted out to the max with snap on gear.
Ive worked on diesels for around 17 years now starting on a railway preservation overhauling injectors and fuel pumps so theres no need to tell your granny how to suck eggs ;) ;)
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Hello,
I do not want to be negative about these guides as I have had to use just about every one and have been impressed by some of the photos of hard to see bits. The advice about camber is incorrect if you do the maths and I have standard wheels the measurements will give near to 2 degrees. The cleaning of diesel injectors states that the copper washers should be replaced, BMW do not list them as a part, a diesel engine specialist did not have any even in the odd washers draw, and he has never changed them saying that you just clean the seating areas bit of copper slip and do them up tight. There is no torque settings, no explanation of cleaning out the area around or in the injector thread area. The idea of using two spanners to split the body of the injector and standing on them, bad idea. I do not want to be negative as I said earlier but some of the advice can get you into trouble.
How many do you want ive got 100 of them :P
Julian the post was done with limited tools as most of us oofers dont have fancy garages kitted out to the max with snap on gear.
Ive worked on diesels for around 17 years now starting on a railway preservation overhauling injectors and fuel pumps so theres no need to tell your granny how to suck eggs ;) ;)
Sadly I don't think he's even reading it. Maybe he's one of those who jumps around forums making wisecracks just to wind people up. Some people get a kick out of this sort of thing. Of course, perhaps I'm being unkind, but unless he responds we shall never know. :y :y :y
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an old mechanic once told me that by holding a copper washer over a flame for a few seconds helps the re- bedding in situ. as for Hoofing its guide , i personally would follow his guidance to the letter, he, :ys a very knowledgeable guy.
Yes, until its dull red. No more, no less :y
Definately no more...
...esp when the missus comes outside whilst you're doing it, and distracts you for a few seconds so you end up with a molten mess ::)