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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: cube on 14 January 2011, 12:13:42
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Just been to this place, local to me
http://www.leedslpg.co.uk/?gclid=CK_Rzq_VuaYCFcoe4QodAVe9Gw
£850 includes 52 ltr tank, goes in space wheel place, £50 more gets me a 70 ltr cylinder but goes in the boot.
The system they use is KME.
Any thoughts, wouldn't mind doing DIY but i'll end up with a pile of spare bits !! :o ;D
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That sounds suspiciously cheap.
I would certainly want to see some of their workmanship before committing.
To do a conversion in one day, even for a couple of guys in a well-equipped workshop, leaves no margin for resolving problems or considering alternatives when it comes to fitting, so they will literally be taking the kit of the its' box and slapping it on the car by the first method that occurs to them.
Also - there's no mention of UKLPG or any form of certification on their web site. UKLPG accreditation doesn't guarantee anything at all as they do little more than collect money from their members, but if paying for a "professional" install, I'd want all the boxes ticked so I don't have any aggro insuring the car.
I've not come across the KME kit before so not sure what that is like. I would make sure it's common enough that you can get support for it.
Kevin
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Thanks :)
Could do with finding a good fitter in Leeds ::)
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Blimey thats cheap!! I was quoted £1700 for a 2.0, 16 valve, 1999 model. More than the car was worth! :o
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Just been to this place, local to me
http://www.leedslpg.co.uk/?gclid=CK_Rzq_VuaYCFcoe4QodAVe9Gw
£850 includes 52 ltr tank, goes in space wheel place, £50 more gets me a 70 ltr cylinder but goes in the boot.
The system they use is KME.
Any thoughts, wouldn't mind doing DIY but i'll end up with a pile of spare bits !! :o ;D
Have a look in maintanance/index/LPG down the bottom.
With a pre drilled manifold, and somebody lined up to do the soldering to loom to ecu in the engine bay fuse box(like Kevin Wood or TheBoy or MarksDtm on here) those guides make the job quite straight forward IMO.
If your even remotely 50/50 about doing the job DIY, go for it. Once the plenum is refitted with injectors in place and sealed to the intake, anything else can be done as time allows. Then get it soldered into the loom and away you go.
Be methodical, do your homework, ask on here before doing anything even remotely uncertain, and it's really not that hard to install DIY.....IMO.
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best bet is to visit the installers and see the work done in situ which I tried in the past and give up forever ;D
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best bet is to visit the installers and see the work done in situ which I tried in the past and give up forever ;D
copy thier work and 9 times out of 10 they'll fail it at certification :D
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Rule 1 :
Ask them for contact details of an Omega they have already converted. Contact the owner and chat/view the work.
Rule 2 :
Do nothing until Rule 1 is completed
:)
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a 52L tank in the spare wheel well gives you about 260 miles motorway driving, with the gauge reading about 30MPG. Its handy giving you the whole boot space, but is a bit restrictive in range.
Its not that hard to DIY, my spare 2.2 inlet manifold is about somewhere(tunnie's ?) so you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted before you start, which means the car is only out of use for the time it takes to swap the manifold. The rest of the install can be done in easy sections.
Ken
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Firstly, that seems too cheap.
Secondly, to do it in a day they almost certainly won't be removing the inlet manifold to drill it :o
Thirdly, how do they justify charging more for a cylinder tank... They're considerably cheaper than toroidal tanks! Oh... And if fitting a cylinder, 80L is better suited and takes similar space to a 70.
Fourth, as above posts really... As far as DIY goes, if you can service it and clean the breathers then you can almost certainly fit LPG. It's not particularly hard, especially if you follow the guides ;)
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Firstly, that seems too cheap.
Secondly, to do it in a day they almost certainly won't be removing the inlet manifold to drill it :o
Thirdly, how do they justify charging more for a cylinder tank... They're considerably cheaper than toroidal tanks! Oh... And if fitting a cylinder, 80L is better suited and takes similar space to a 70.
Fourth, as above posts really... As far as DIY goes, if you can service it and clean the breathers then you can almost certainly fit LPG. It's not particularly hard, especially if you follow the guides ;)
although fitting is not that hard, the problem starts when calibrating/tuning the system.. and thats ona car without any issues :-/
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Firstly, that seems too cheap.
Secondly, to do it in a day they almost certainly won't be removing the inlet manifold to drill it :o
Thirdly, how do they justify charging more for a cylinder tank... They're considerably cheaper than toroidal tanks! Oh... And if fitting a cylinder, 80L is better suited and takes similar space to a 70.
Fourth, as above posts really... As far as DIY goes, if you can service it and clean the breathers then you can almost certainly fit LPG. It's not particularly hard, especially if you follow the guides ;)
although fitting is not that hard, the problem starts when calibrating/tuning the system.. and thats ona car without any issues :-/
The Stag kit that many of us have is actually very easy to do, especially if you follow the excellent guide Kevin composed for that part :y
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Firstly, that seems too cheap.
Secondly, to do it in a day they almost certainly won't be removing the inlet manifold to drill it :o
Thirdly, how do they justify charging more for a cylinder tank... They're considerably cheaper than toroidal tanks! Oh... And if fitting a cylinder, 80L is better suited and takes similar space to a 70.
Fourth, as above posts really... As far as DIY goes, if you can service it and clean the breathers then you can almost certainly fit LPG. It's not particularly hard, especially if you follow the guides ;)
although fitting is not that hard, the problem starts when calibrating/tuning the system.. and thats ona car without any issues :-/
The Stag kit that many of us have is actually very easy to do, especially if you follow the excellent guide Kevin composed for that part :y
Stag Kit ok.. Prince , BRC :-/ most of those firms keep the parameters to themselves only >:(
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a 52L tank in the spare wheel well gives you about 260 miles motorway driving, with the gauge reading about 30MPG. Its handy giving you the whole boot space, but is a bit restrictive in range.
Its not that hard to DIY, my spare 2.2 inlet manifold is about somewhere(tunnie's ?) so you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted before you start, which means the car is only out of use for the time it takes to swap the manifold. The rest of the install can be done in easy sections.
Ken
That sounds like a plan Ken cheers buddy
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My car is running sweet at the moment, no warning lights ::) etc
Thanks for your help guys :y
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Firstly, that seems too cheap.
Secondly, to do it in a day they almost certainly won't be removing the inlet manifold to drill it :o
Thirdly, how do they justify charging more for a cylinder tank... They're considerably cheaper than toroidal tanks! Oh... And if fitting a cylinder, 80L is better suited and takes similar space to a 70.
Fourth, as above posts really... As far as DIY goes, if you can service it and clean the breathers then you can almost certainly fit LPG. It's not particularly hard, especially if you follow the guides ;)
although fitting is not that hard, the problem starts when calibrating/tuning the system.. and thats ona car without any issues :-/
The Stag kit that many of us have is actually very easy to do, especially if you follow the excellent guide Kevin composed for that part :y
Stag Kit ok.. Prince , BRC :-/ most of those firms keep the parameters to themselves only >:(
Prins simply will not supply to DIY installers in the UK, approved installers only. Unless you know an installer well enough ;) still 50% more expensive than stag.
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Firstly, that seems too cheap.
Secondly, to do it in a day they almost certainly won't be removing the inlet manifold to drill it :o
Thirdly, how do they justify charging more for a cylinder tank... They're considerably cheaper than toroidal tanks! Oh... And if fitting a cylinder, 80L is better suited and takes similar space to a 70.
Fourth, as above posts really... As far as DIY goes, if you can service it and clean the breathers then you can almost certainly fit LPG. It's not particularly hard, especially if you follow the guides ;)
although fitting is not that hard, the problem starts when calibrating/tuning the system.. and thats ona car without any issues :-/
The Stag kit that many of us have is actually very easy to do, especially if you follow the excellent guide Kevin composed for that part :y
Stag Kit ok.. Prince , BRC :-/ most of those firms keep the parameters to themselves only >:(
Prins simply will not supply to DIY installers in the UK, approved installers only. Unless you know an installer well enough ;) still 50% more expensive than stag.
that solves the problem.. :y
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Yes, watch kits like OMVL, Bigas etc, they have limited software available for tuning. It works OK'ish, but you can't change parameters like time to change over, or get at the actual fuel map, without a dongle which is another £50. It does work, but its hard to fine tune it.
Ken
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on a 3.2 if you register lpg conversion with dvla is the road tax cheeper aswell
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on a 3.2 if you register lpg conversion with dvla is the road tax cheeper aswell
Last year it was cheaper by £10 :(
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I received this email recently, not enquired for some months, so must be looking for work.......
Dear Mike
Thank you for your enquiry to convert your Vauxhall Omega to environmentally friendly LPG that is 50% cheaper than petrol. As part of our opening offer this conversion can be made for the unbeatable price of £799.00 + VAT for this four cylinder vehicle, using Lovato multipoint sequential injection systems, and this quote includes:
- 2 yrs parts and labour warranty
- Free 1000 miles service
- Largest suitable tank in the boot area
- LPGA certification
- Conversion within 3 days subject to availability of kit.
Please feel free to contact me on the number below if you have any further queries, or to book your vehicle in for conversion.
Kind regards
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Lovato is an Italian make and quite good. But, as I found out when I had it on my Rangie, parts availability and local support can be an issue ;)
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Locate is an Italian make and quite good. But, as I found out when I had it on my Rangie, parts availability and local support can be an issue ;)
Local depot assuming this is in response to an enquiry I made some time ago.....
Recent changes in fuel prices question the benefit of conversion... :-/
Unexpected recent car costs put on hold any plans anyway.... ::) ::)
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a 52L tank in the spare wheel well gives you about 260 miles motorway driving, with the gauge reading about 30MPG. Its handy giving you the whole boot space, but is a bit restrictive in range.
Its not that hard to DIY, my spare 2.2 inlet manifold is about somewhere(tunnie's ?) so you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted before you start, which means the car is only out of use for the time it takes to swap the manifold. The rest of the install can be done in easy sections.
Ken
Sometimes I jealous of 2.2s., that kind of range from such a small tank...
...don't worry, the jealousy completely disappears as soon as I leave the fuel station ;D
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a 52L tank in the spare wheel well gives you about 260 miles motorway driving, with the gauge reading about 30MPG. Its handy giving you the whole boot space, but is a bit restrictive in range.
Its not that hard to DIY, my spare 2.2 inlet manifold is about somewhere(tunnie's ?) so you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted before you start, which means the car is only out of use for the time it takes to swap the manifold. The rest of the install can be done in easy sections.
Ken
Sometimes I jealous of 2.2s., that kind of range from such a small tank...
...don't worry, the jealousy completely disappears as soon as I leave the fuel station ;D
It comes right back when you have to pull in again, where as i can easily do another 150 miles :P
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a 52L tank in the spare wheel well gives you about 260 miles motorway driving, with the gauge reading about 30MPG. Its handy giving you the whole boot space, but is a bit restrictive in range.
Its not that hard to DIY, my spare 2.2 inlet manifold is about somewhere(tunnie's ?) so you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted before you start, which means the car is only out of use for the time it takes to swap the manifold. The rest of the install can be done in easy sections.
Ken
Sometimes I jealous of 2.2s., that kind of range from such a small tank...
...don't worry, the jealousy completely disappears as soon as I leave the fuel station ;D
It comes right back when you have to pull in again, where as i can easily do another 150 miles :P
But who has the bigger smile on their face :D
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a 52L tank in the spare wheel well gives you about 260 miles motorway driving, with the gauge reading about 30MPG. Its handy giving you the whole boot space, but is a bit restrictive in range.
Its not that hard to DIY, my spare 2.2 inlet manifold is about somewhere(tunnie's ?) so you can get it drilled and nozzles fitted before you start, which means the car is only out of use for the time it takes to swap the manifold. The rest of the install can be done in easy sections.
Ken
Sometimes I jealous of 2.2s., that kind of range from such a small tank...
...don't worry, the jealousy completely disappears as soon as I leave the fuel station ;D
It comes right back when you have to pull in again, where as i can easily do another 150 miles :P
But who has the bigger smile on their face :D
Me, giving two fingers to the fat man filling up ;D
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Go and find out what kit they are fitting and if single point or sequential multi point and let me know. I suspect at that price it will be single point with a vaporiser on the induction side rather than individual injectors in the manifold. Nothing wrong with single point, just a slight drop in mpg from my experience. To give you an idea our van does 18mpg round town on petrol but 16mpg on gas, of course the cheaper fuel offsets that easily and the price difference on our van was £1000 for the single point and £1800 for the sequential multi point.
Ours was fitted by these guys, http://www.ozonlpg.com/ bit far out but they are highly recommended
If you are going to DIY buy the Iwema http://www.iwemalpg.com/, best bit of DIY kit in my experience and comes with a certificate to show the insurers if needed (though in all the years I have used multi fuel vehicles I have never been asked once).
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Fit it myself Scalli !! :P :o :o :o
You know i burn water !!!
lol lol lol
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Lovato is an Italian make and quite good. But, as I found out when I had it on my Rangie, parts availability and local support can be an issue ;)
yes.. here their parts can be found in big cities easily .. price range similiar to BRC..