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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: joshwyatt on 30 January 2011, 16:57:34
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I often have a quick peruse through ebay.de to look for facelift Omega parts or complete vehicles.
There's currently a fair few of the 2.5 DTI variants available with the 5 speed auto gearbox. Does anyone know the designation of that gearbox?
I wonder if the DTI cold be fitted to our 2.2 DTI's leaving the 5 speed manual in, or changing that to the 5 speed auto.
I have considered purchasing a 2.5 DTI as cheap as possible and bringing it over to see what could be done with it. Quite a few of the Omega's out there have the CID fitted and other options, so breaking it should return most of the outlay and you're left with a DTI engine and 5 speed auto.
Here's an example of the DTI;
http://cgi.ebay.de/Opel-Omega-Caravan-2-5-DTI-Facelift-Executive-Edition-/270694937448?pt=Automobile&hash=item3f06acf368
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Gearbox is 5L40 :y
Oh and get one with a Telematics!
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whats the difference between the 2.5td and the 2.5dti?
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Different engine. Still straight six but much more modern lump with lovely BMW swirl flaps (what was that metallic crunching noise?! ;D)
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Different engine. Still straight six but much more modern lump with lovely BMW swirl flaps (what was that metallic crunching noise?! ;D)
Plus an i ;D
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Headlights won't be any good in good old Blighty either!
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;D thanks for that techincal description Daz!
Andy - Thanks for the info, I'll have a search for that gearbox etc.
Headlights aren't going to be much use as you say, but hopefully most of the interior can be used.
It's just a consideration currently, but could be an interesting project.
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Indeed. I think transplanting the engine, gearbox and other unique parts into a UK facelift is the best (and easiest) option.
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150bhp or so 110kw...might as well put an ar35 on a 2.5td and chip it
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I'm betting there'd be plenty of buyers for CIDs (I know I would! If I ever get the GPS aerial sorted out ;D)
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I guess the 5 speed auto box wouldn't fit a TD. :-?
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If you decide to do it and want a hand driving back ;) ;) :y :y
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Josh,
Irf you do decide to do this let me know!! often go to germany to bring back caravans and cars etc, could possibly help with collection and delivery!!
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Thanks for the offers of assistance. It's just an idea, and clearly I can't do anything with the DTI engine and gearbox myself, but bringing one over, driving it before it's taken apart would be interesting...then pallet up the engine and gearbox and try and find a RHD dead DTI to fit it to.
There's currently a 2003 DTI Elite estate 84,000 miles with minor N/S front damage that could be a good candidate to experiment with ::)
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Do it :y Also that 2.5 DTi I've heard can be mapped to about 200 BHP with large amounts ot torque I doubt it'll be slower maybe even quicker than a 3.0?
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Couple of issues with what is otherwise a sound idea.
1st How would you buy the car into your name. In Spain you have to fulfil a basket of criteria in order to legally purchase a car? Most revolve around you being a Spanish resident (i.e. you don't live in Britain)
2nd What would you do with the leftover detritus (after stripping and selling /using parts). No British Scrapyard should take a foreign reg car.
The answer would be to register it onto UK plates in your name AND then scrap it!!
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Couple of issues with what is otherwise a sound idea.
1st How would you buy the car into your name. In Spain you have to fulfil a basket of criteria in order to legally purchase a car? Most revolve around you being a Spanish resident (i.e. you don't live in Britain)
2nd What would you do with the leftover detritus (after stripping and selling /using parts). No British Scrapyard should take a foreign reg car.
The answer would be to register it onto UK plates in your name AND then scrap it!!
well have to say, you just dont know the right people Varche!! ;D
its easy to weigh in any car or remains of the car foreign plated or not,
if from germany the process is very easy, you fill out an export form, buy either a 1 month or 3month insurance with a temporary plate which allows you to use the car for the duration of the plate and bobs your uncle!!
from spain it would be different but if you bought it an drove it to uk after getting insurance here it wouldnt matter to much having said that spainish cars are to damned expesive to consider it!!
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Forgot to say!!! if you find a very very cheap 2.5dti estate on ebay de then give me a nod!! will get one, sooner or later and put it on spanish plates!!
great cars
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RHD 2.5DTI sounds very nice
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RHD 2.5DTI sounds very nice
And a very tempting replacement but insurance could be a right royal PITA :-/ :-/
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from germany you can even get 5 days numbers and insurance now :).. if you chip it(remap) you get a considerable boost of hp (~197) and i believe that the gearbox will hold it :)
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lol, i might be a total newbie to this forum with this being my first post but this thread came up on a google search and the ebay link on the first page was a car that i was watching aswell almost for this very purpose! That is transplanting a y25dti into a p38 range rover!
Also i have no idea about buying a car abroad, i was palnning on putting it on a trailer and catching the ferry.
That said, did they do a 2.5dti in this country?
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That said, did they do a 2.5dti in this country?
Vauxhall didn't, pretty certain Land Rover didn't, obviously BMW did :)
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Josh,
Don't want to wee on your chips matey.
But how would you stand on the insurance side of things, as if the spec of the car wouldn't be a standard option for the UK and what about resale value to someone else if you decide to sell?.
And as you're such an honest chap, you'd bound to tell them it isn't a standard gearbox option (auto swap) if you sell it and they may not want the risk of an unknown quantity, so would you be stuck with it?.
Just a thought.
You can shoot me down if you want to (I expect others on here will if you don't ;D )
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Josh,
Don't want to wee on your chips matey.
But how would you stand on the insurance side of things, as if the spec of the car wouldn't be a standard option for the UK and what about resale value to someone else if you decide to sell?.
And as you're such an honest chap, you'd bound to tell them it isn't a standard gearbox option (auto swap) if you sell it and they may not want the risk of an unknown quantity, so would you be stuck with it?.
Just a thought.
You can shoot me down if you want to (I expect others on here will if you don't ;D )
Nope... Someone on here would have it (me, me, me!!!) ::) ;D :y
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Josh,
Don't want to wee on your chips matey.
But how would you stand on the insurance side of things, as if the spec of the car wouldn't be a standard option for the UK and what about resale value to someone else if you decide to sell?.
And as you're such an honest chap, you'd bound to tell them it isn't a standard gearbox option (auto swap) if you sell it and they may not want the risk of an unknown quantity, so would you be stuck with it?.
Just a thought.
You can shoot me down if you want to (I expect others on here will if you don't ;D )
Nope... Someone on here would have it (me, me, me!!!) ::) ;D :y
Looks like you've sold it before you've built it Josh ::) ;D
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Josh,
Don't want to wee on your chips matey.
But how would you stand on the insurance side of things, as if the spec of the car wouldn't be a standard option for the UK and what about resale value to someone else if you decide to sell?.
And as you're such an honest chap, you'd bound to tell them it isn't a standard gearbox option (auto swap) if you sell it and they may not want the risk of an unknown quantity, so would you be stuck with it?.
Just a thought.
You can shoot me down if you want to (I expect others on here will if you don't ;D )
Nope... Someone on here would have it (me, me, me!!!) ::) ;D :y
Looks like you've sold it before you've built it Josh ::) ;D
If, and only if, it was the correct colour combination and spec ;) ;)
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
Maybe worth also checking on the side of the DVLA with regards to the importing side and not sure if they're would be any importing duty of some kind.
You know what it's like over here, always some steath tax of some sort. Also DVLA have tightened quite a few rules now Josh and it doesn't make it easy for anyone these days.
Like I've said, don't want to squash an idea, just hate to see you spend all that money on a project and it runs away with you. No such thing as a plan coming in under budget, I know I've been there ::) :y
Do your sums and save your plums ::) :y
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That said, did they do a 2.5dti in this country?
Vauxhall didn't, pretty certain Land Rover didn't, obviously BMW did :)
So it was just an Opel option then? I thought the omega facelift 2.5's was a common rail bmw engine?
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
Only real stumbling point I can see in this idea is that some of the engine bay components may be in the way :-/ :-/
Also, just as an addition Josh, it would have to be Lump and gearbox, Engine and Gearbox ECU's, possibly ABS unit(?), keys etc.
TBH, I think it will be a bit of a nightmare :-/ :-/
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knowing BMW it won't be a straight swap + ecu ;D
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
buy an estate,(they do make manuals) ;D take it to uk for anyone to sample, when your fed up with it,dont break it, pm me and i will bring it here to spain with me!! unless you fancy dropping it off here first of course!! fnar fnar :y
being a left hooker it will be ideal
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
Only real stumbling point I can see in this idea is that some of the engine bay components may be in the way :-/ :-/
Also, just as an addition Josh, it would have to be Lump and gearbox, Engine and Gearbox ECU's, possibly ABS unit(?), keys etc.
TBH, I think it will be a bit of a nightmare :-/ :-/
I've seen a BMW 330d engine transplanted into a range rover classic before, so anything is possible.
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
Only real stumbling point I can see in this idea is that some of the engine bay components may be in the way :-/ :-/
Also, just as an addition Josh, it would have to be Lump and gearbox, Engine and Gearbox ECU's, possibly ABS unit(?), keys etc.
TBH, I think it will be a bit of a nightmare :-/ :-/
I've seen a BMW 330d engine transplanted into a range rover classic before, so anything is possible.
Oh yeah, anything is possible. It's down to whether it's a viable project though ;) ;) Don't forget that the UK Omega is going to be at least 7 years old :-/ :-/
Now... BMW 3/5/730d engine and box in an Omega Elite Estate ::) ::) 8-) 8-)
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That said, did they do a 2.5dti in this country?
Vauxhall didn't, pretty certain Land Rover didn't, obviously BMW did :)
So it was just an Opel option then? I thought the omega facelift 2.5's was a common rail bmw engine?
Nope, Vauxhall 2.5TD used the M51TDS engine, never the common rail variant.
We got the GM built 2.2DTi in our Vauxhalls, Opel used the BMW based 2.5DTi
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ok thanks for that info, my only options then are import one or buy a polish registered one already in this country. of which there seems a few locally atleast but not sure how you'd go about buying and re registering a forign car in the uk.
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I've been thinking about that Mike, and you're quite right. It would have to be an Omega enthusiast to buy it. Most likely I'd bring a DTI over, keep it complete so anyone who's interested can drive it before it's broken for parts. The DTI and gearbox can be palleted up and sold with perhaps a dead 2.2 DTI vehicle for someone to do the engine fit themselves.
It's just an idea currently, I'll have to work it out carefully.
Only real stumbling point I can see in this idea is that some of the engine bay components may be in the way :-/ :-/
Also, just as an addition Josh, it would have to be Lump and gearbox, Engine and Gearbox ECU's, possibly ABS unit(?), keys etc.
TBH, I think it will be a bit of a nightmare :-/ :-/
I've seen a BMW 330d engine transplanted into a range rover classic before, so anything is possible.
Oh yeah, anything is possible. It's down to whether it's a viable project though ;) ;) Don't forget that the UK Omega is going to be at least 7 years old :-/ :-/
Now... BMW 3/5/730d engine and box in an Omega Elite Estate ::) ::) 8-) 8-)
I've got a mate that's planning on putting a BMW 4.4 V8 in an Omega Elite Estate. Seen a few via the net in Germany... Lovely!! :y
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Now this is another thought i've had, the 4.4 bmw 540i engine put into my p38 range rover.................
got any info/links?