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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Amigo on 12 February 2011, 02:28:06
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-100E-POPULAR-ASTRA-2-0-DOHC-TWIN-R1-CARBS-/150561966428?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item230e31495c
Except i hope the brakes have been upgraded!!!! 8-)
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Now that looks like a great bit of fun!!!
Deffo a bit of retro cool, with a modern twist!! :)
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I had a standard one of those when I was younger.
I remember the winder wipers went slower as you went up hill.
I like the look of that one though! :y It will be interesting to see what it goes for.
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What springs to my mind are:
1. They sure don't make them like they used to
2. It's an oldy but a goody.
I really like the look of this and its engine and to tinker with it. :) :) 8-) 8-) :y :y
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Nice little sleeper, that. :y
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I would love an original Ford Popular from my childhood years, but this has been spoilt which I think is a great shame :'( :'( :'(.
The only redeeming feature for me is at least it has survived! :y :y :y
Funnily enough the original 1950s 'sit up and beg' Ford Prefect was a better candidate for souping up! :D :D ;)
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I like this. Classic car being kept on the road with a modern engine, good mix for me :y .
Problem is Lizzie, that old classic engines are getting harder to come by with regards to the bits second hand, especially engine parts. Even the general servicing items are difficult to get hold of.
Companies specialising in the parts are expensive as there offen done on a small production run to keep costs down. Plus no good having all the parts to sell if the customer base is small, else your capital is stuck in the parts on the shelf ::).
Hence why you will normally find that being a customer buying from such companies, you are having to pay a premium price for them.
Least if the engine does breakdown, servicing in this example it won't break the bank to get it back on the road quickier.
Also love the fact that there's no aftermarket alloys on it and they've gone for period steel look ;) :y.
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I prefer 'em original, to be honest
I doubt if the fella furiously working on his ancient Austin 7 holding up the traffic on Swansea seafront this afternoon would have agreed at that particular time though :)
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I like this. Classic car being kept on the road with a modern engine, good mix for me :y .
Problem is Lizzie, that old classic engines are getting harder to come by with regards to the bits second hand, especially engine parts. Even the general servicing items are difficult to get hold of.
Companies specialising in the parts are expensive as there offen done on a small production run to keep costs down. Plus no good having all the parts to sell if the customer base is small, else your capital is stuck in the parts on the shelf ::).
Hence why you will normally find that being a customer buying from such companies, you are having to pay a premium price for them.
Least if the engine does breakdown, servicing in this example it won't break the bank to get it back on the road quickier.
Also love the fact that there's no aftermarket alloys on it and they've gone for period steel look ;) :y.
I see that Goose, as of course that is the business and practical reality of the situation :y :y
I also recognise that the older Ford, Austin, Morris, Vauxhall, etc, engines of the 50s and 60s needed more spare parts to keep going for any length of time as they were prone to dropping things like big ends, breaking tappets, breaking crankshafts and burning through pistons, completely unlike modern engines which will happily motor on for 150k - 250k miles if well serviced.
In "the old days" I seem to remember engines were considered knackered once they got to 80k, if they got there at all!! ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
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i like that :y :y :y
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I would love an original Ford Popular from my childhood years, but this has been spoilt which I think is a great shame :'( :'( :'(.
The only redeeming feature for me is at least it has survived! :y :y :y
Funnily enough the original 1950s 'sit up and beg' Ford Prefect was a better candidate for souping up! :D :D ;)
My old man is restoring one of those back to original (see my profile pic). Its his third. He also has a 103E sit up and beg which he found in a garage in N London. It had been there for over 20 years and was a bit of a mess. He spent two years doing a nut and bolt restoration on it.
(he also has a Rover P5B Saloon, Not Coupe, which is flipping lovely)
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i'd love that original is always god but it's a bit of a hot rod with a couple more grand invested it would be great!
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Nice little sleeper, that. :y
Agreed Kevin, you could have a lot of fun with that...... :y :y :y
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Could do with a clamp to hold the battery in place! :o
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not really into performance tuning of engines, so here goes.
whats the standard performance of that block fitted?
does "old fashioned" carbs still outperform moderm ecu controlled fuelling?
which is the cheaper option in this application?
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not really into performance tuning of engines, so here goes.
whats the standard performance of that block fitted?
It's a C20XE so about 150 BHP standard.
does "old fashioned" carbs still outperform moderm ecu controlled fuelling?
Power output can be comparable. Flexibility and economy will suffer though.
which is the cheaper option in this application?
Bike carbs are relatively cheap on Ebay. Fuel injection setup means a bodge job to fit the original injection system, or £1k - £1500 for a mappable aftermarket setup. The latter will give you a much more driveable car, though, and, I would expect that car to make 170-180 BHP on such a setup.
Kevin
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bodge job meaning to fit as much loom and ecus as the doner vehicle.
if a complete doner vehicle was available, which bits would be ecu lacking.(thus being the cheaper option)
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not a new idea of making old cars better.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcwPQhEC8MA[/media]
i always remember one of these coming into the garage and looking in the boot and thinking, is that it.?
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bodge job meaning to fit as much loom and ecus as the doner vehicle.
if a complete doner vehicle was available, which bits would be ecu lacking.(thus being the cheaper option)
Well, could be the OEM induction setup was not easy to fit in. Carbs also offer simplicity, electrically, at least. No need for a high pressure fuel system either.
My choice would probably have been a set of bike injection throttle bodies and a megasquirt. http://www.megasquirt.info/
Kevin
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I like this. Classic car being kept on the road with a modern engine, good mix for me :y .
Problem is Lizzie, that old classic engines are getting harder to come by with regards to the bits second hand, especially engine parts. Even the general servicing items are difficult to get hold of.
Companies specialising in the parts are expensive as there offen done on a small production run to keep costs down. Plus no good having all the parts to sell if the customer base is small, else your capital is stuck in the parts on the shelf ::).
Hence why you will normally find that being a customer buying from such companies, you are having to pay a premium price for them.
Least if the engine does breakdown, servicing in this example it won't break the bank to get it back on the road quickier.
Also love the fact that there's no aftermarket alloys on it and they've gone for period steel look ;) :y.
I see that Goose, as of course that is the business and practical reality of the situation :y :y
I also recognise that the older Ford, Austin, Morris, Vauxhall, etc, engines of the 50s and 60s needed more spare parts to keep going for any length of time as they were prone to dropping things like big ends, breaking tappets, breaking crankshafts and burning through pistons, completely unlike modern engines which will happily motor on for 150k - 250k miles if well serviced.
In "the old days" I seem to remember engines were considered knackered once they got to 80k, if they got there at all!! ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
So true Lizzie, so true ::) . Also remember when 'de-coking' your engine was a service interval requirement to get the valves to seat better....... Ah.... those were the days ::) :D :y
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I like this. Classic car being kept on the road with a modern engine, good mix for me :y .
Problem is Lizzie, that old classic engines are getting harder to come by with regards to the bits second hand, especially engine parts. Even the general servicing items are difficult to get hold of.
Companies specialising in the parts are expensive as there offen done on a small production run to keep costs down. Plus no good having all the parts to sell if the customer base is small, else your capital is stuck in the parts on the shelf ::).
Hence why you will normally find that being a customer buying from such companies, you are having to pay a premium price for them.
Least if the engine does breakdown, servicing in this example it won't break the bank to get it back on the road quickier.
Also love the fact that there's no aftermarket alloys on it and they've gone for period steel look ;) :y.
I see that Goose, as of course that is the business and practical reality of the situation :y :y
I also recognise that the older Ford, Austin, Morris, Vauxhall, etc, engines of the 50s and 60s needed more spare parts to keep going for any length of time as they were prone to dropping things like big ends, breaking tappets, breaking crankshafts and burning through pistons, completely unlike modern engines which will happily motor on for 150k - 250k miles if well serviced.
In "the old days" I seem to remember engines were considered knackered once they got to 80k, if they got there at all!! ::) ::) :D :D :D ;)
So true Lizzie, so true ::) . Also remember when 'de-coking' your engine was a service interval requirement to get the valves to seat better....... Ah.... those were the days ::) :D :y
:D :D :D Indeed Goose, on my A40 I had to take my first head off and re-grind all my valves to re-seat them and scrape the carbon off everything else like the top of all the pistons, which actually I had to take out later that year to put new rings on them, another common task in those days!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I like that too, kept very sheep like with wolf underneath. Very nice, thats going to embarrass some
shit boxes Saxo's :)
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bodge job meaning to fit as much loom and ecus as the doner vehicle.
if a complete doner vehicle was available, which bits would be ecu lacking.(thus being the cheaper option)
Well, could be the OEM induction setup was not easy to fit in. Carbs also offer simplicity, electrically, at least. No need for a high pressure fuel system either.
My choice would probably have been a set of bike injection throttle bodies and a megasquirt. http://www.megasquirt.info/
Kevin
But that's because Megasquirt are paying you commission :-X ::) :D :D
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But that's because Megasquirt are paying you commission :-X ::) :D :D
Yeah, I wish. ;D
Just spent a small fortune on the latest and greatest Megasquirt kit. Then got stung for import duty and VAT. >:( Now Mrs. KW fancies a break in Florida in March so it could have been imported by suitcase. :-X
Kevin
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But that's because Megasquirt are paying you commission :-X ::) :D :D
Yeah, I wish. ;D
Just spent a small fortune on the latest and greatest Megasquirt kit. Then got stung for import duty and VAT. >:( Now Mrs. KW fancies a break in Florida in March so it could have been imported by suitcase. :-X
Kevin
Ahhh... The law of Sod ;D ;D
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But that's because Megasquirt are paying you commission :-X ::) :D :D
Yeah, I wish. ;D
Just spent a small fortune on the latest and greatest Megasquirt kit. Then got stung for import duty and VAT. >:( Now Mrs. KW fancies a break in Florida in March so it could have been imported by suitcase. :-X
Kevin
Hmmm... reckon you can fit 300lb of engine block in your suitcase for me, Kevin? ;D