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Title: Omega with ESP
Post by: joshwyatt on 06 February 2011, 00:51:37
Having a browse through ebay.de always brings up some interesting Omega items.

http://cgi.ebay.de/0265202512-WT-13105657-0273004676-5530117-ABS-ESP-Omega-/250752211582?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item3a61ff1a7e

In all honesty, I'm not sure what it is? It's listed as only fitting the 2.6, 3.2 and 2.5 DTI with ESP...I wonder what else is needed to get a functioning ESP system?

I wonder if it'd be much better than the TC system?

At least I know what the item below is  ;D ...

The replacement ESP switch that goes where our TC switch currently is.

http://cgi.ebay.de/OMEGA-FACELIFT-SCHALTER-ESP-BJ-10-1999-2004-EDEL-/120680133401?pt=Autoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c1918b319
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: feeutfo on 06 February 2011, 01:48:15
Just fit the switch, simples.   :D
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: Del Boy on 06 February 2011, 09:11:38
They should've done all the little extra bits they did to german Omegas over here. They got some nice kit which we didn't get.
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: ballcock50 on 06 February 2011, 10:29:48
Extra Sensory Perception, Does this mean they will defrost the windscreen and switch on the heated seats half hour before you use the car by reading your mind ? ::)
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: TheBoy on 06 February 2011, 10:39:44
Pain to retrofit, not something I would do.

Certainly a different ABS ECU (and hydraulic unit?), needs yaw sensors, steering angle sensor....


Can't recall ever seeing one on an Omega...
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: kcl on 06 February 2011, 15:33:20
I've got the ESP on my current car, MY2002.

It is a pain. Works too aggressive, you don't want it to your cars  :D Brakes the front wheels practically in every corner on snow...

I much preferred the old one as it was TC only.
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: 2woody on 07 February 2011, 10:23:34
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Pain to retrofit, not something I would do.

Certainly a different ABS ECU (and hydraulic unit?), needs yaw sensors, steering angle sensor....


Can't recall ever seeing one on an Omega...

That's about right - just try telling your Insurance company
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 February 2011, 11:09:47
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Pain to retrofit, not something I would do.

Certainly a different ABS ECU (and hydraulic unit?), needs yaw sensors, steering angle sensor....


Can't recall ever seeing one on an Omega...

That's about right - just try telling your Insurance company
I can hear them unscrewing the top of a pot of Vasaline now  ;D
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: henryd on 07 February 2011, 11:36:29
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Pain to retrofit, not something I would do.

Certainly a different ABS ECU (and hydraulic unit?), needs yaw sensors, steering angle sensor....


Can't recall ever seeing one on an Omega...

That's about right - just try telling your Insurance company
I can hear them unscrewing the top of a pot of Vasaline now  ;D

Don't think they would bother with vaseline,just a good drybumming :D :D :D
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: omegabsw on 11 February 2011, 18:29:22
Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: TheBoy on 11 February 2011, 18:38:00
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Yes. And sometimes they do like to intogate ecu's ESP if safety systems fail or a personal injury claim
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: omegabsw on 11 February 2011, 18:42:27
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Yes. And sometimes they do like to intogate ecu's ESP if safety systems fail or a personal injury claim

Yes they do, or yes you have seen one do it?

I can see them checking cars ECU's tho, but only like one in a 1000 cases or something.

The only ones I have ever dealt with knew very little about anything, in fact they are normally in such a rush they hardly even look at the car
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: Kevin Wood on 11 February 2011, 23:30:50
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Yes. And sometimes they do like to intogate ecu's ESP if safety systems fail or a personal injury claim

Yes they do, or yes you have seen one do it?

I can see them checking cars ECU's tho, but only like one in a 1000 cases or something.

The only ones I have ever dealt with knew very little about anything, in fact they are normally in such a rush they hardly even look at the car

On the contrary, the ones I've come across have been very switched-on.  :-?

Obviously they won't take the car apart with a fine tooth comb for a parking dent, but, if the claim is looking sufficiently expensive and/or they have reason to suspect something's not as it should be, they will invest plenty of time finding out the truth.

Kevin
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: feeutfo on 12 February 2011, 00:13:44
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Yes. And sometimes they do like to intogate ecu's ESP if safety systems fail or a personal injury claim

Yes they do, or yes you have seen one do it?

I can see them checking cars ECU's tho, but only like one in a 1000 cases or something.

The only ones I have ever dealt with knew very little about anything, in fact they are normally in such a rush they hardly even look at the car

On the contrary, the ones I've come across have been very switched-on.  :-?

Obviously they won't take the car apart with a fine tooth comb for a parking dent, but, if the claim is looking sufficiently expensive and/or they have reason to suspect something's not as it should be, they will invest plenty of time finding out the truth.

Kevin
Direct line wanted to fit depo instead of genuine headlight, I argued it was not same spec, as original or the other undamaged side, plus the continental beam lever was inaccessible behind the hid gubbins. Assessor didn't mess about and agreed a genuine Hella, but he went round checking tyre tread depth, tax disc, mileage, chassis number etc...
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: TheBoy on 12 February 2011, 10:14:02
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Yes. And sometimes they do like to intogate ecu's ESP if safety systems fail or a personal injury claim

Yes they do, or yes you have seen one do it?

I can see them checking cars ECU's tho, but only like one in a 1000 cases or something.

The only ones I have ever dealt with knew very little about anything, in fact they are normally in such a rush they hardly even look at the car
I have seen them check. Maybe I was that 1 in a 1000. And there was no dispute who's fault it was, but I think they were expecting a possible whiplash claim.


Additionally, Mrs TB's brother used to be involved in the safety systems for a large UK Indian car manufacturer, and he used to occasionally get involved post accident safety system deployments/failures, and generally undeclared modifications to those systems only goes 1 way in a court of law...
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: omegabsw on 13 February 2011, 22:52:50
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)
Yes. And sometimes they do like to intogate ecu's ESP if safety systems fail or a personal injury claim

Yes they do, or yes you have seen one do it?

I can see them checking cars ECU's tho, but only like one in a 1000 cases or something.

The only ones I have ever dealt with knew very little about anything, in fact they are normally in such a rush they hardly even look at the car
I have seen them check. Maybe I was that 1 in a 1000. And there was no dispute who's fault it was, but I think they were expecting a possible whiplash claim.


Additionally, Mrs TB's brother used to be involved in the safety systems for a large UK Indian car manufacturer, and he used to occasionally get involved post accident safety system deployments/failures, and generally undeclared modifications to those systems only goes 1 way in a court of law...


That is true, anything not to pay out a large claim
Title: Re: Omega with ESP
Post by: 2woody on 14 February 2011, 11:59:09
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Just a quick one here but has anybody actually ever had an insurance assessor come round to look at damage on a car?

I dont remember one ever checking what traction control system was fitted.  ::)

Oh yes !

only ever had two claims, both had assessors out.

On the second, they took away a section of inner/outer sill cut from the car for laboratory analysis