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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 24 February 2011, 15:09:12
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Hi guys,
Long time no speak, hope everyone is well.
I'm collecting a 3.0 Auto Elite Estate with 94k from a very reputable source on Sunday.
I had considered putting an LPG kit in, given the deal Teilo can provide, however, having done the sums, I don't think it pays anymore, given the cost of LPG in my locality.
My workings out are as follows:
70l petrol at £127.9p per litre costs £89.53.
At 26mpg, this will return 400 miles
This makes the cost of running on petrol 22.4p per mile
70l LPG at 79.9p per litre costs £55.93
At 22mpg, this will return 339 miles
This makes the cost of running on LPG 16.5 p per mile
Overall saving of running on gas is therefore in the region of 5p per mile. 79.9p is the cheapest I Can get gas within a 30 mile radius, and I no longer travel much, so wouldn't have access to cheaper stations on my travels.
Based on the above, for a DIY conversion costing £700, the cost of the LPG kit would not be recouperated for 14,000 miles.
I think I'm just going to stick to running on petrol, and keeping the car well maintained for best efficiency....
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when prices were cheaper, i re-covered my costs in around 3 months :o - Just think after that though, its all profit!
Trouble is I don't think you keep a car long enough to pay it back, so wise decision :y
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Small fast petrols or big engined diesels are the only way to be at the minute I think :-/
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Small fast petrols or big engined diesels are the only way to be at the minute I think :-/
To be honest, I can live with high fuel costs for local running around, because I really don't use the car much at all, midweek.
At weekends we will want to go away further afield - camping etc in the summer - but, the 3.0 will give me around 33mpg on long runs, which is 17p a mile - can happily live with this... :y
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This reminds me of diesel v petrol argument years ago. Diesels were much more economical to run and then the difference in price of diesel was changed to vastly reduce the savings.
My concern with LPG would be a similar hike in price would scupper any long term savings of an installation.
I want an old 1.9 diesel Suzuki 4x4 that hopefully I can run on treated chip fat. Plenty of that in our village. I could put a collection tank out rather than it disappearing. ;D
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Mine still produces the goods. My 120 Mile per day works out at about £14 on LPG, and £23 on petrol, so saving £9 per day.
Covers the cost of a few pints :y
Ken
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looking at "individual" prices. or prices over a short term, can be deceptive ... my "spreadsheet" tries to be objective .. whenever I fill up with LPG I also note the unleaded price at the same time and use that for my calculations of savings.
A quick check back over 3 years shows that the "difference" in price has actually increased in p/ltr from 46 to 56 !! but as a % is has remained almost stable, showing a less than 2% decrease.
Present prices for me are 73.92 p/ltr LPG and 129.9 p/ltr unleaded which is still giving me an average saving of 9 p/mile.
:)
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When you add in the fact that James sells the car about 2 weeks after getting it sorted then there's not much point in LPGing it ;D
Sorry James I couldn't help it ::)
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What sort of price is a half decent LPG kit?
Is it the sort of thing that even I could fit myself? Or is it the sort of job that is likely to lead to even more problems?
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Cost of kit - approx. £750. There are guides on here to help fit it (although the v6 front end guide isnt there yet, but should be soon) and plenty of good advice is available from people who have done it - and done it properly. :y
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
thats the route I took,bought a cheap 406 hdi (lovely drive as well) and in the few months that I have owned it its paid for itself already,my mig does around 23mpg knocking around locally and the 406 is doing late 40's mpg(best I've seen is 51 :D)
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
thats the route I took,bought a cheap 406 hdi (lovely drive as well) and in the few months that I have owned it its paid for itself already,my mig does around 23mpg knocking around locally and the 406 is doing late 40's mpg(best I've seen is 51 :D)
Exactly the same for me!!
I keep my mig for weekends and she returns aprrox. 25mpg. For my daily hack to work, I bought an on cavvy 1.7 td (for £280!!!!) and I get 50+mpg all day long!!
It's not the most luxurious form of transport, and I do have to do a few running repairs, but on the plus side, cavvys are fairly easy to work on, and I don't 'alf appreciate the mig at weekends!! :y
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the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
Almost what I do, except instead of a diesel, I use a LPG MV6 ::)
I dithered for about 4yrs over LPG, mainly due to wanting the boot space, which I rarely used. Wish I'd done it years ago, rather than last year. Still, I'm in profit now :)
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Just done a check, total cost of my system that Ive started to install yesterday with vat and del is:- 723.60, this with a 77Ltr 4 hole full toroidal tank to go in spare wheel well of my estate. I'm well pleased with that cost, anyway just been in for a cuppa need to get back to it :y :y
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are you going to have to raise the boot floor to accomadate the tank cliff ?
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
thats the route I took,bought a cheap 406 hdi (lovely drive as well) and in the few months that I have owned it its paid for itself already,my mig does around 23mpg knocking around locally and the 406 is doing late 40's mpg(best I've seen is 51 :D)
How does a one off diy payment of say, £700 for a diy install, cover the cost of running two cars continually? Or an extra car i should say, Insurance, tax, mot, repairs servicing,etc every year?
Insurance alone car for two years wouod pay the kit price? Surely? :-?
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
thats the route I took,bought a cheap 406 hdi (lovely drive as well) and in the few months that I have owned it its paid for itself already,my mig does around 23mpg knocking around locally and the 406 is doing late 40's mpg(best I've seen is 51 :D)
How does a one off diy payment of say, £700 for a diy install, cover the cost of running two cars continually? Or an extra car i should say, Insurance, tax, mot, repairs servicing,etc every year?
Insurance alone car for two years wouod pay the kit price? Surely? :-?
insurance is a non event for me as I have traders policy and the mig was getting killed doing parts pick ups for work etc with me in shitty overalls so pug works out nicely :y
edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
thats the route I took,bought a cheap 406 hdi (lovely drive as well) and in the few months that I have owned it its paid for itself already,my mig does around 23mpg knocking around locally and the 406 is doing late 40's mpg(best I've seen is 51 :D)
How does a one off diy payment of say, £700 for a diy install, cover the cost of running two cars continually? Or an extra car i should say, Insurance, tax, mot, repairs servicing,etc every year?
Insurance alone car for two years wouod pay the kit price? Surely? :-?
insurance is a non event for me as I have traders policy and the mig was getting killed doing parts pick ups for work etc with me in shitty overalls so pug works out nicely :y
edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
Indeed, obviously length of ownership plays a part in the decission, obviously. ::). :y
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I am humming and harring about this ::) When I bought this Mig I intended to LPg it, having bought this giving up a more economical diesel :'( More recently my idea to lpg it has come into question :-/ and most lately the idea of buying a sub£1k diesel for work and keeping the Mig for weekends is favourite....... :-/ :-/ :-/
thats the route I took,bought a cheap 406 hdi (lovely drive as well) and in the few months that I have owned it its paid for itself already,my mig does around 23mpg knocking around locally and the 406 is doing late 40's mpg(best I've seen is 51 :D)
How does a one off diy payment of say, £700 for a diy install, cover the cost of running two cars continually? Or an extra car i should say, Insurance, tax, mot, repairs servicing,etc every year?
Insurance alone car for two years wouod pay the kit price? Surely? :-?
insurance is a non event for me as I have traders policy and the mig was getting killed doing parts pick ups for work etc with me in shitty overalls so pug works out nicely :y
edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
Indeed, obviously length of ownership plays a part in the decission, obviously. ::). :y
I only bought the mig in the first place cause it was cheap and had only done 60k,it was never going to be a main car as the wifes 7 seater does most of the work
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edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
I did it to a (then) 12yr old, 163k ::)
But then, I'm mad if you listen to GayBoy Gixer
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edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
I did it to a (then) 12yr old, 163k ::)
But then, I'm mad if you listen to GayBoy Gixer
actually its not so much the age,if it was a 3.0 or 3.2 I would do it ;)
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edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
I did it to a (then) 12yr old, 163k ::)
But then, I'm mad if you listen to GayBoy Gixer
actually its not so much the age,if it was a 3.0 or 3.2 I would do it ;)
yes, though with a 2.5, you should easily get away with a single hole tank, reducing cost by around £100....
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edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
I did it to a (then) 12yr old, 163k ::)
But then, I'm mad if you listen to GayBoy Gixer
break off you! ;D
Rusty Silver bullet won't last for ever. Move on! .... IMO. :P
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edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
I did it to a (then) 12yr old, 163k ::)
But then, I'm mad if you listen to GayBoy Gixer
break off you! ;D
Rusty Silver bullet won't last for ever. Move on! .... IMO. :P
I'm surprised its lasted this long as he's managed to kill a couple off in his time ;D
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edit I have thought about the lpg route but find it hard to justify on a now 11 year old car,if I find a late 3.2 estate I may do it
I did it to a (then) 12yr old, 163k ::)
But then, I'm mad if you listen to GayBoy Gixer
actually its not so much the age,if it was a 3.0 or 3.2 I would do it ;)
yes, though with a 2.5, you should easily get away with a single hole tank, reducing cost by around £100....
I would need the spare wheel well tank though,need the estate load bay left unmolested :y