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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Del Boy on 20 February 2011, 23:32:10
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I had these on a 320d M Sport so a 150 BHP engine, so not massive power, anyway fantastic in the dry, in the wet however they are seriously a death trap. Could never pull away normally without sending the traction control on a flip out, was able to start a drift at 10 MPH, the tyres are totally shocked, by rain, grass, mud, any form of ice. Just avoid if you can :y
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Very similar too longlongs by the sound of it, and probably most tyres in that price range?
What i found incredible was the terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tireding gap in grip levels between wet and dry. Shouldnt be aloud. It would be almost safer to inforce them to have less dry grip! That way it would be less likely to get cought out in the wet. :-/
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Very similar too longlongs by the sound of it, and probably most tyres in that price range?
What i found incredible was the terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tireding gap in grip levels between wet and dry. Shouldnt be aloud. It would be almost safer to inforce them to have less dry grip! That way it would be less likely to get cought out in the wet. :-/
That's exactly my issue with them, you could never lose that car in the dry they were superb in the dry, but it was physically unsafe to take it out in the wet.
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You get what you pay for for 95% time of time with tyres.
Use budget tyres at your own peril. ;)
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Can I just add Sunew tyres to this list, the bloke who had the Mini before me has just had a brnad spanking new set of these put on here, it spins all the way to fourth gear :o An entire set of 4 for the Mini would cost £174.95 delivered for 225-45-17's, they're unbelievably bad :o :o
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You get what you pay for for 95% time of time with tyres.
Use budget tyres at your own peril. ;)
Not all budget tyres are bad ;) ;)
I have Accelera Alpha's on mine (as does 2woody on one of his) and they're towards the top of the budget range... Better than some mid range tyres IMO :y
Mind you... They're re-branded Vredestein's :y :y
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I didn't say all ;)
:P
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You get what you pay for for 95% time of time with tyres.
Use budget tyres at your own peril. ;)
Not all budget tyres are bad ;) ;)
I have Accelera Alpha's on mine (as does 2woody on one of his) and they're towards the top of the budget range... Better than some mid range tyres IMO :y
Mind you... They're re-branded Vredestein's :y :y
One man`s meat........http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Accelera/Alpha.htm
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wheres the fun in having a car with loads of grip ? :-/ :D ;D
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wheres the fun in having a car with loads of grip ? :-/ :D ;D
It's a fair point ;D
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You get what you pay for for 95% time of time with tyres.
Use budget tyres at your own peril. ;)
Not all budget tyres are bad ;) ;)
I have Accelera Alpha's on mine (as does 2woody on one of his) and they're towards the top of the budget range... Better than some mid range tyres IMO :y
Mind you... They're re-branded Vredestein's :y :y
One man`s meat........http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Accelera/Alpha.htm
Indeed... Yet other sites, like this one (http://www.tyretest.com/pkw_sommerreifen/accelera/alpha/index.html) give them much better reviews ;) Again, it's down to personal preference ;)
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Can't say I'd ever buy tyres based on subjective internet opinions alone.
I always try to check out as many tyre tests as possible which normally only includes premium and some mid range tyres. But I'd rather pay the extra for that piece of mind that I haven't wasted money on some potential ditch finders.
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I fitted a pair of tyres on mine at the weekend, still havent looked what make they are. ::) :D
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I fitted a pair of tyres on mine at the weekend, still havent looked what make they are. ::) :D
soon you will learn ;D
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good quality tires saved my life many times as I'm not a slow driver, so I dont care they open a hole in my budget..
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ive got alphas on my cav sri good in the wet and dry.best tyres i ever had were nokians they were bloody good tyres.any tyres made in china are total crap and wouldnt touch them with a bargepole
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ive got alphas on my cav sri good in the wet and dry.best tyres i ever had were nokians they were bloody good tyres.any tyres made in china are total crap and wouldnt touch them with a bargepole
I'm not sure tyres from Indonesia are much better, if at all.
http://www.eptyres.com/distribution.php?73982.9015918076
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Oriental ditchfinders. :y ;D
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Had a set of ningnangnongs on mine, I don't drive like a nob and they did the job ok!
The thought of £100 a tyre gives me palpatations!
My brothers GTR has £600 a corner rubber, scary!!
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Exactly my sentiments mate, £100 a corner is stupid money, I do agree though with, you get what you pay for.
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just had a couple of BF goodrich g-force 205/40x17's fitted to a pug 206 gti 180 and they seem really good on the road grip wise and sensible on the wallet at £75 each all in :y
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Exactly my sentiments mate, £100 a corner is stupid money, I do agree though with, you get what you pay for.
I didn't think you changed tyres... Just cars when they start getting low :-X ::) :D
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Exactly my sentiments mate, £100 a corner is stupid money, I do agree though with, you get what you pay for.
I didn't think you changed tyres... Just cars when they start getting low :-X ::) :D
They're changed when needed ;D
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Exactly my sentiments mate, £100 a corner is stupid money, I do agree though with, you get what you pay for.
I didn't think you changed tyres... Just cars when they start getting low :-X ::) :D
They're changed when needed ;D
The car or the tyres :D :D :D
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Exactly my sentiments mate, £100 a corner is stupid money, I do agree though with, you get what you pay for.
I didn't think you changed tyres... Just cars when they start getting low :-X ::) :D
They're changed when needed ;D
The car or the tyres :D :D :D
Which ever comes first ;D
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I go for good tyres. I prefer tarmac to ditches. Sadly, you do get what you pay for, although some premium tyres I would not ever use (again).
I have a large, powerful 200+ bhp car weighing 1.7T. I have a moral responsibility to keep it on the black stuff, and out of other people's boots.
I could own a 1.0l shitbox Corsa, in which case, I would use a cheaper tyre, as I would drive an awful lot slower (not through want of trying I suspect ::))
Everyone will have a different opinion. My dad, RIP, would pick a mega hard Far East tyre for cost and durability. And I understand that. I don't agree, but I do understand.
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I go for good tyres. I prefer tarmac to ditches. Sadly, you do get what you pay for, although some premium tyres I would not ever use (again).
I have a large, powerful 200+ bhp car weighing 1.7T. I have a moral responsibility to keep it on the black stuff, and out of other people's boots.
I could own a 1.0l shitbox Corsa, in which case, I would use a cheaper tyre, as I would drive an awful lot slower (not through want of trying I suspect ::))
Everyone will have a different opinion. My dad, RIP, would pick a mega hard Far East tyre for cost and durability. And I understand that. I don't agree, but I do understand.
Spot on :y - remember its not just you that you need to look after....too often forgot these days.
Me - I go with personal experience. I'll try a tyre and if it suits my wallet and driving style then I'd class it as good and buy it again. If its rubbish then I move on. Tyre comparisons are generally useless as the main variable - ie how you plant the power - can't be standardised in such tests.
And to fuel the arguement a bit - I've just put some Alpha's on mine based on good experience with them in the past....
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Mke sure its a Michelin. :y
They are the best tyres on the market. :y
End of. ;)
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Mke sure its a Michelin. :y
They are the best tyres on the market. :y
End of. ;)
Not a patch on Continentals.
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Mke sure its a Michelin. :y
They are the best tyres on the market. :y
End of. ;)
Not a patch on Continentals.
Which aren't a patch on a proper tyre like a Neova LTS or R888.
See how subjective this whole tyres thing is .. :D ;D
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Tyres can be subjective in terms of feel, but everything else can be measured including; dry braking, wet braking, aquaplaning, dry laptime, wet laptime, max G force, road noise. None of which is subjective and is what I base my tyre choice on.
And comparing semi slicks like R888 that are normally for track focused cars isn't comparable with normal premium summer tyres that are used year round.
Michelin PS2's set the benchmark nearly a decade ago, Goodyear F1's soon became the benchmark, currently Continental hold the top spot (but the evo tests are held at the Continental proving centre..)
From what I've heard there's a LOT of praise coming for the soon to be released Michelin Super Sports which should be a step above the rest.
Tyres and brakes are an area I'd never touch with budget money. If I was to ever have an accident that ruins my life or another's I wouldn't ever want to think 'what if I didn't buy these budgets'.
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People who say Michelin are not the best tyres, for ANY car,
have probably either never had them or cannot afford to buy them. :-[
Or, as is more likely, are talking a load of ******! :y
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People who say Michelin are not the best tyres, for ANY car,
have probably either never had them or cannot afford to buy them. :-[
Or, as is more likely, are talking a load of ******! :y
Or.. Like I, they have tried them, thought they were pretty average, especially for the price, and moved on.
But, as said, tyres are a very subjective choice as we all have different priorities, be that ultimate "dry" grip levels, feedback and handling, all-weather performance or something round and made of rubber on a tight budget.
Kevin
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Mke sure its a Michelin. :y
They are the best tyres on the market. :y
End of. ;)
No chance. Grip is more important to me....
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People who say Michelin are not the best tyres, for ANY car,
have probably either never had them or cannot afford to buy them. :-[
Or, as is more likely, are talking a load of ******! :y
I have an omega on Michelin ps2 (or 3, can't remember) and an omega on a cheaper, quality brand tyre, and know which I prefer. And it ain't the horrible michelins.
I need grip, that's where Michelin fall down (after a few weeks of use)
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I'm not overly impressed with Michelin from past experiences (not the Omega mind) so tend to avoid them.
The Alpha's I have fitted started as a necessity... Needed 4 tyres and didn't have a lot of money to spend on them. The place I use recommended them as he could do them for £52/corner (mates rates) and they were better than anything else in that price range at the time. I found them good enough for my needs so stuck another set on. Although this set aren't as impressive, especially in the recent wet weather, but I think that's down to the need for a trip to WIM in the not too distant future
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People who say Michelin are not the best tyres, for ANY car,
have probably either never had them or cannot afford to buy them. :-[
Or, as is more likely, are talking a load of ******! :y
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry but that made me laugh..
I've tried Michelin in the past and, like others, didn't like them.
Oh and the tyres I prefer on the MR2? Cost considerably more (in the order of £100 a set more) than the most expensive Michelin :y
Now, I haven't tried them on the Omega.. maybe they suddenly become the be-all-and-end-all of tyres on the Omega.
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I think Falken's are the best for the Omega :-X :-X :-X
<Ducks and hides awaiting Gixer's twitch> :D :D :D
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People who say Michelin are not the best tyres, for ANY car,
have probably either never had them or cannot afford to buy them. :-[
Or, as is more likely, are talking a load of ******! :y
Ok so me previously owning an E92 M3 (So that's 414 horses to contend with) with Michelin PS3's on at the rear, when pushing on round a bend it'd let go. Continental Sport Contact 3 Tyres on the other hand, read a newspaper, read a novel whilst you go round the corner, it wouldn't let go. Now my driving style didn't change at all, and the corners stayed very much the same, so I put that down to Michelins being worse than the Continentals in my experience.
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Del.. I reckon your driving style might have changed if you have time to read a novel while you're going round a bend.. ;D
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Del.. I reckon your driving style might have changed if you have time to read a novel while you're going round a bend.. ;D
Don't be smart ;D ;)
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Del.. I reckon your driving style might have changed if you have time to read a novel while you're going round a bend.. ;D
Don't be smart ;D ;)
;D ;D I suppose you have to have something to do with the hand that would normally operate the indicator stalk when you're driving a BMW ;)
*ducks and runs off*
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Del.. I reckon your driving style might have changed if you have time to read a novel while you're going round a bend.. ;D
Don't be smart ;D ;)
;D ;D I suppose you have to have something to do with the hand that would normally operate the indicator stalk when you're driving a BMW ;)
*ducks and runs off*
I thought most BMW drivers did something quite different with that hand. :-X
;) ;D
Kevin
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Del.. I reckon your driving style might have changed if you have time to read a novel while you're going round a bend.. ;D
Don't be smart ;D ;)
;D ;D I suppose you have to have something to do with the hand that would normally operate the indicator stalk when you're driving a BMW ;)
*ducks and runs off*
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I have Michelin HP Premacy's on 3 corners, and a budget make on the other (how I inherited the car).
I need to change the fronts, and would happily have HP Premacy's again, but they are a) v.expensive and b) increasingly hard to source - I know its been done to death, and everybody has a subjective opinion, but what would a consensus recommendation be?
I have an Elite 3.0 on 235/45/17's.....
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I have Michelin HP Premacy's on 3 corners, and a budget make on the other (how I inherited the car).
I need to change the fronts, and would happily have HP Premacy's again, but they are a) v.expensive and b) increasingly hard to source - I know its been done to death, and everybody has a subjective opinion, but what would a consensus recommendation be?
I have an Elite 3.0 on 235/45/17's.....
Unfortunately tyres are, as has been said many times, very subjective... Someone who drives like Miss Daisy all the time does not demand the same from their tyres as someone who prefers a more enthusiastic driving style ;)
I speak as I find and have been happy with the cost v's performance of Accelera Alpha's for my driving style and requirements, I'm on my second set of them. That said, if striking that balance between cost and performance was taken out of the equation I may well go for something a bit more grippy as I can get them to the limit. The one thing I have found with them is that you do get some warning before you've gone too far though :y
Each to their own... Gixer hates Falken's, others find them OK. Only you can decide ;)
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I have Michelin HP Premacy's on 3 corners, and a budget make on the other (how I inherited the car).
I need to change the fronts, and would happily have HP Premacy's again, but they are a) v.expensive and b) increasingly hard to source - I know its been done to death, and everybody has a subjective opinion, but what would a consensus recommendation be?
I have an Elite 3.0 on 235/45/17's.....
Unfortunately tyres are, as has been said many times, very subjective... Someone who drives like Miss Daisy all the time does not demand the same from their tyres as someone who prefers a more enthusiastic driving style ;)
I speak as I find and have been happy with the cost v's performance of Accelera Alpha's for my driving style and requirements, I'm on my second set of them. That said, if striking that balance between cost and performance was taken out of the equation I may well go for something a bit more grippy as I can get them to the limit. The one thing I have found with them is that you do get some warning before you've gone too far though :y
Each to their own... Gixer hates Falken's, others find them OK. Only you can decide ;)
All true, LF, but I'd rather not shell out up to £400 for 2 tyres that don't suit me....
Assuming from the nudges and winks in your post that you like to press on a bit?? :)
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I don't consider the Omega a performance motor really, so I'm not too fussed about feel and whether they hold up at the track.
So I make my decision based on performance in wet weather conditions and braking tests. I've got Uniroyal Rainsport 2's which I'm very happy with, £85 a corner fitted for me.
Similar price are Hankook v12's.
More expensive - Continental Sport Contact's.
Cheapest I'd try are Kumho KU31's.
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I have Michelin HP Premacy's on 3 corners, and a budget make on the other (how I inherited the car).
I need to change the fronts, and would happily have HP Premacy's again, but they are a) v.expensive and b) increasingly hard to source - I know its been done to death, and everybody has a subjective opinion, but what would a consensus recommendation be?
I have an Elite 3.0 on 235/45/17's.....
Unfortunately tyres are, as has been said many times, very subjective... Someone who drives like Miss Daisy all the time does not demand the same from their tyres as someone who prefers a more enthusiastic driving style ;)
I speak as I find and have been happy with the cost v's performance of Accelera Alpha's for my driving style and requirements, I'm on my second set of them. That said, if striking that balance between cost and performance was taken out of the equation I may well go for something a bit more grippy as I can get them to the limit. The one thing I have found with them is that you do get some warning before you've gone too far though :y
Each to their own... Gixer hates Falken's, others find them OK. Only you can decide ;)
All true, LF, but I'd rather not shell out up to £400 for 2 tyres that don't suit me....
Assuming from the nudges and winks in your post that you like to press on a bit?? :)
It has been known on occasion :-X :-X ::) ::)
Especially when I'm running late ::) ::)
Like I said, I speak as I find. I fitted the Alpha's because I've got a mate who runs a tyre and exhaust and he could do them for £50+VAT per corner (first time) instead of the usual £75ish he would have charged ;) If I was paying full price I might look towards the KU31's :-/ :-/
The Alpha's also have a rim protection lip which is handy when SWMBO is parking :-X :-X
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I don't consider the Omega a performance motor really, so I'm not too fussed about feel and whether they hold up at the track.
So I make my decision based on performance in wet weather conditions and braking tests. I've got Uniroyal Rainsport 2's which I'm very happy with, £85 a corner fitted for me.
Similar price are Hankook v12's.
More expensive - Continental Sport Contact's.
Cheapest I'd try are Kumho KU31's.
Agreed, it's not a performance motor... But it will get on with it if you want to ;) ;)
My RR Classic definitely wasn't a performance motor but would still leave people behind if I wanted to press on... It was just a case of throwing it into corners twice - Once for the body roll and once for the corner ;D ;D
Come to think of it.... My Saggy Elite suspension is a bit similar :-X ::)
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All this talk of tyres and I noticed my rears are down to the wear indicators this morning.
Oops. I guess I better change those, then! Still, at least I can get rid of the awful no-names that the dealer put on, now ;)
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My Thru'pence worth:
It's very true that you get what you pay for in terms of tyres. The difference between wet and dry can be quite surprising (literally in some cases!) I recall an uncle of mine putting some 'budget' tyres on his Sierra - it was like they were made of Bakelite!!
Reading back through the posts I think I agree with Lazy tinker in that the best tyre for you depends a lot on your driving style as much as what it's fitted to.
I think I've got quite a 'lazy' driving style:
I had Pirelli P-Zeros fitted to a Merc CL500 when I got it and they were shocking. I replaced them with Dunlop SP1s and it felt like a different car. Likewise in two 7-Series BMWs I had Pirellis and Dunlops on them but went for Michelin Pilot HXs and these seemed to suit the car much better. Pure guesswork on my part at the time.
I've got RE050s on the VXR8 (standard fit) at the moment and I can't fault them. The DTi has just been re-shod with SP1s and they seem pretty consistent in the wet.
Can anyone enlighten us as to what the standard fit(s) were on the Omega through it's production?
I had a number as company cars and from what I remember they were Michelin's at the time (Michelin Energy?) I could be (very) wrong though!
>Jamie
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Can anyone enlighten us as to what the standard fit(s) were on the Omega through it's production?
I had a number as company cars and from what I remember they were Michelin's at the time (Michelin Energy?) I could be (very) wrong though!
>Jamie
Pilot Primacy, if I recall correctly.
Kevin
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I had a Mazda 6 from new in 2004, a fire breathing 1800cc's of pure, asmhatic, POWER.
It was delivered on Bridgestones which were so shockingly bad in the wet that I nearly got wiped out on the first roundabout I pulled away from. In the dry, great, but just so useless in the wet.
I complained to Mazda UK and got the usual 'tyres are very important and many brands of tyre were considered etc etc'.
As soon as my fleet hire company would let me I swapped them to Michelin Pilot Primacy. The difference in the wet was night and day and I couldnt tell a difference in the dry.
Now these weren't budget tyres, but it has put me off Bridgestones forever!!
Wayne