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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 28 February 2011, 19:32:25
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Is the wiring to go to tank (for cut off solenoid and gauge) part of the main Stag loom, or do I need to provide the cable between ECU and tank?
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Open the boxes ;) ;) ;) ;)
Fairly sure I saw a length of wire to run front-rear (although it may only be for the sender or may be 3/4 core) :-/ :-/
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Last one came with, but ordered front and rear end at once last time. Either way, should be supplied.
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Last one came with, but ordered front and rear end at once last time. Either way, should be supplied.
I echo my comment above... Check the boxes! There is a length of cable to run front-rear but can't remember if it's just for the sender, just for the solenoid or for both ;) ;)
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No no, I didn't mean it isn't there but should be. I meant it's part of the kit, Groomer won't need to supply his own. :D ;)
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No no, I didn't mean it isn't there but should be. I meant it's part of the kit, Groomer won't need to supply his own. :D ;)
He stole all my spares at the weekend... Told me that if I didn't give them to him I'd be his next target :-X :-X ::) ::)
Think I've got some either here or in the spares already taken ;)
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Hypothetical question.
Is 3 core mains cable OK for this?
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Hypothetical question.
Is 3 core mains cable OK for this?
Not really (you cowboy!)... But 3 core Automotive cable would be ;)
It would do the job but not my choice... Not as flexible for a start ::)
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TB, in my experience it comes with the rear end kit.
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TB, in my experience it comes with the rear end kit.
But I'm fairly sure I specified it (and saw it) in our kit ;)
TB, does this mean you're busy sorting the rear end kit?
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No no, I didn't mean it isn't there but should be. I meant it's part of the kit, Groomer won't need to supply his own. :D ;)
He stole all my spares at the weekend... Told me that if I didn't give them to him I'd be his next target :-X :-X ::) ::)
Think I've got some either here or in the spares already taken ;)
Bloody cheak, he did the same to me and Kev when we did the rusty bullit last time. :-X :-X ::) ::)
Think i see a pattern emerging. :-X. ;D
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There is no wire in either the front end kit or the rear end kit, just checked through them both.Am going to try verify the function of the loom cables without connectors and label them up refering to the cd circuit diagram. The printed circuit that came with the kit is in Polish, no good to me. When I've done it I'll post up on this thread.I'm now waiting for the postie to deliver a replacement inlet nozzle as on nipping up the 1st one I snapped it :o :'(
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There is no wire in either the front end kit or the rear end kit, just checked through them both.Am going to try verify the function of the loom cables without connectors and label them up refering to the cd circuit diagram. The printed circuit that came with the kit is in Polish, no good to me. When I've done it I'll post up on this thread.I'm now waiting for the postie to deliver a replacement inlet nozzle as on nipping up the 1st one I snapped it :o :'(
Have a look here, cliff:
Stag 300 Plus manual in English (includes wiring diagrams):
http://www.ac.com.pl/public/pubonline/cms/files/Programy-i-instrukcje-obslugi/en/Stag%20200_300_plus_prem/ver_2_4%20ENG-STAG-200%2CSTAG-4%2CSTAG-300%20PLUS%2CSTAG-300%20PREMIUM%20manual.pdf
Page containing links to all documentation and software updates:
http://www.ac.com.pl/en/doc/346/instructions-and-manuals
EDIT: an OOPS! Regarding the nozzle. Easily done. I threadlock them then just nip them up hand tight with a nut driver. With threadlock they won't go anywhere.
Kevin
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Or here Cliff: http://www.motogas.com/software/ENGSTAG200STAG4STAG300_PLUSSTAG300_PREMIUM_manual.pdf
I'm sure I saw a length of cable in one of the boxes in TB's Kit :-/ :-/ Could be a packing error (either way) I suppose :-/ Anyway, I'd recommend you call them and ask them to include it when they send the Vaporiser :y
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Sender pack has a small 3 core. Not unwrapped the main loom, but found the 2 cables that should go to tank/sender - just need to check if they are long enough, else I need to get some
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Thanks guys for the circuit diagrams very handy indeed, and in English too :y.just checked with my neighbour, postie came at 9.00 this morning so no nozzle. Phoned for Teilo spoke to reception, now waiting for a call back as he may have sent it by other means.If I don't get one by tomorrow AM it's reassembly time as I need miggy for our weekly trip to my disabled sister at Flamboro 70mls away.With hindsight might be a good idea to include a couple of spares in the future kits for as Kevin say's, easily done there a delicate item :y
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Sender pack has a small 3 core. Not unwrapped the main loom, but found the 2 cables that should go to tank/sender - just need to check if they are long enough, else I need to get some
It should be plenty long enough ;) ISTR I cut a chunk out of mine :y
I'll have a poke about in my toolbox later... I might have some :y
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Thanks guys for the circuit diagrams very handy indeed, and in English too :y.just checked with my neighbour, postie came at 9.00 this morning so no nozzle. Phoned for Teilo spoke to reception, now waiting for a call back as he may have sent it by other means.If I don't get one by tomorrow AM it's reassembly time as I need miggy for our weekly trip to my disabled sister at Flamboro 70mls away.With hindsight might be a good idea to include a couple of spares in the future kits for as Kevin say's, easily done there a delicate item :y
I wonder If I've got any spares :-/ :-/
Best go out and look I suppose as that's 2 people in need ::) ::)
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Right, Been out and checked... Can't spot the cable I thought was there but I have got a spare nozzle :y
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Teilo has just phoned :y and thinks I should have them by tomorrow,I think probably they didn't leave till late afternoon yesterday,after all I didn't tell him my need untill about 9.00 am yesterday, Just hoped they'd make the midday collection,forever the optimist :y
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Thanks Lazytinker never occurred to me you would have one, any way it's too late for you to worry if Teilo's don't arrive in time, what I'll do is leave the one absent at the front, and then replace it with the plenum only off.I don't know how many Teilo's sent but what's left I'll post to you no doubt you will be able to keep in reserve :y
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Hypothetical question.
Is 3 core mains cable OK for this?
Not really (you cowboy!)... But 3 core Automotive cable would be ;)
It would do the job but not my choice... Not as flexible for a start ::)
Well it looked like mains cable and had the correct colours.
Don't think I have any of the bits left though.
I use seperate cables in the cills.
I think the cable was under car.
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Sender pack has a small 3 core. Not unwrapped the main loom, but found the 2 cables that should go to tank/sender - just need to check if they are long enough, else I need to get some
It should be plenty long enough ;) ISTR I cut a chunk out of mine :y
I'll have a poke about in my toolbox later... I might have some :y
Nowhere near long enough, not by a country mile. Shame, as it means there has to be a join in the loom now.
Looking at wiring, looks to be 5 core? Lazytinker, do you know length required? Guessing 5m should be more than enough - 4m may be too short by time its gone down through wheelarch, along car, back up vent pipe, then into tank airbox?
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I'd plump for 5m. Is there some wire bunched up in one of the boxes of spares I gave you? I'm sure I saw some somewhere this weekend :-/ :-/
Depends what sender you get... Might only need 4 core ;) ;)
May as well get a 10m + roll as your boyfriend Chris will want some soon too ;)
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Hang on... Just read it all again... You've got some for the sender pack? That's obviously what I saw ::)
So you only need twin core to run to the solenoid then :y
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I'd plump for 5m. Is there some wire bunched up in one of the boxes of spares I gave you? I'm sure I saw some somewhere this weekend :-/ :-/
Depends what sender you get... Might only need 4 core ;) ;)
May as well get a 10m + roll as your boyfriend Chris will want some soon too ;)
Yes, just found some 2 core in your box. The guage came with about 5m of small 3 core.
I might still get 5m of 5 core from Teilo, so only one cable to run/attach down chassis. Assuming it complies with COP11 to use a single 5 core rather than a 2 core plus a 3 core?
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I'd plump for 5m. Is there some wire bunched up in one of the boxes of spares I gave you? I'm sure I saw some somewhere this weekend :-/ :-/
Depends what sender you get... Might only need 4 core ;) ;)
May as well get a 10m + roll as your boyfriend Chris will want some soon too ;)
Yes, just found some 2 core in your box. The guage came with about 5m of small 3 core.
I might still get 5m of 5 core from Teilo, so only one cable to run/attach down chassis. Assuming it complies with COP11 to use a single 5 core rather than a 2 core plus a 3 core?
Don't see why not, and it's probably a smaller cross section running up the vent tube than 2 separate cables :-/
But surely you could get the cable cheaper from somewhere else?
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One of the 5 cores is +5v to the level sensor which is not required with most sensors.
The return from the tank valve is just ground so it can be taken to the chassis under the tank with a short section of wire rather than routed to the front end (there is a school of thought that you should ground the tank anyway).
In fact the gauge return is also just grounded so you could get away with 2 wires. The gauge accuracy might suffer a little through sharing a ground but it's hardly a precision instrument in the first place.
Kevin
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I think I considered that when I did mine but decided to run 2x twin core cables front to back so all the grounds went through the ECU pins designated for accuracy :-/
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I have seen mains cable used - and I think it was routed underneath.
This one isn't
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I have seen mains cable used - and I think it was routed underneath.
This one isn't
Like I said... It would probably do the job but not ideal... Most mains cable is single strand, not multi-strand ;)
Nothing wrong with routing the cable externally though ;)
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
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I have seen mains cable used - and I think it was routed underneath.
This one isn't
Like I said... It would probably do the job but not ideal... Most mains cable is single strand, not multi-strand ;)
Nothing wrong with routing the cable externally though ;)
It was stranded the cross section and colours gave it away.
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Presumably it feeds externally near boot, then up vent hose to get back in?
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
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I have seen mains cable used - and I think it was routed underneath.
This one isn't
Like I said... It would probably do the job but not ideal... Most mains cable is single strand, not multi-strand ;)
Nothing wrong with routing the cable externally though ;)
The cable in your box is mains flex ;)
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
And that passed the inspection :o
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
I wouldn't expect that to get through the COP 11 inspection myself, and wouldn't be happy if it was done on my car ;)
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Presumably it feeds externally near boot, then up vent hose to get back in?
Actually I was wrong - I fed it out at the bottom near the plastic plate and sealed it - I did nearly 5 years ago so was not sure what I did.
Then under carpet, rear seat into cill runs
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
I wouldn't expect that to get through the COP 11 inspection myself, and wouldn't be happy if it was done on my car ;)
Actaully I remembered wrong - out at plastic base and sealed there
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I have seen mains cable used - and I think it was routed underneath.
This one isn't
Like I said... It would probably do the job but not ideal... Most mains cable is single strand, not multi-strand ;)
Nothing wrong with routing the cable externally though ;)
The cable in your box is mains flex ;)
Might be... I just saw it in the top of my tool box and grabbed it without checking ::) As long as it's stranded I don't see any harm TBH ;)
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
I wouldn't expect that to get through the COP 11 inspection myself, and wouldn't be happy if it was done on my car ;)
Actaully I remembered wrong - out at plastic base and sealed there
Shouldn't pass an inspection then as the gas tight box isn't vented cleanly to the atmosphere ;)
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
I wouldn't expect that to get through the COP 11 inspection myself, and wouldn't be happy if it was done on my car ;)
Actaully I remembered wrong - out at plastic base and sealed there
Shouldn't pass an inspection then as the gas tight box isn't vented cleanly to the atmosphere ;)
It is vented OK - but then you could comment on the fact that the vent pipes are quite near the boot vent.
It did pass Cop 11
And it is pretty well sealed - no worse by having a cable there
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In fact... How did the cable get to be routed internally without leaving something unvented from the box?
Small well sealed hole in one of the vent hoses. Gromet and silicon sealer
I wouldn't expect that to get through the COP 11 inspection myself, and wouldn't be happy if it was done on my car ;)
Actaully I remembered wrong - out at plastic base and sealed there
Shouldn't pass an inspection then as the gas tight box isn't vented cleanly to the atmosphere ;)
It is vented OK - but then you could comment on the fact that the vent pipes are quite near the boot vent.
It did pass Cop 11
And it is pretty well sealed - no worse by having a cable there
Indeed... I find a lot of the COP stuff as ridiculous as the MOT TBH ::)
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Are you sure your current car is certified Martin Imber? Its not on the LPG register :o
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Are you sure your current car is certified Martin Imber? Its not on the LPG register :o
I have a COP II form but the chap has retired, he was part time when he did mine.
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Are you sure your current car is certified Martin Imber? Its not on the LPG register :o
Yes I have the COP II but the chap has retired, he was part time 4 years ago.
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Weird the first post never showed up!
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Weird the first post never showed up!
Had that a couple of times this week..... I think :-/
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Weird the first post never showed up!
Had that a couple of times this week..... I think :-/
I've had it too... I think it's when a new page is started :-/
Martin, the certificate is now worthless but you can send it to UKLPG (I think) to have it added to the register
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humm are yes, getting it certified, that reminds me ::)
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How do I find out if mine is on the register ? :-/
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How do I find out if mine is on the register ? :-/
I think it's this website: http://www.drivelpg.co.uk/
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
Don't know if they send the cert back but it's worthless now anyway as the new Register is what counts :y Obviously, I'd make a copy first though ;)
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
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Most Insurers access the database to see if the Proposers car is compliant with current regs & therefore in theory an acceptable risk Albs :y
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
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Most Insurers access the database to see if the Proposers car is compliant with current regs & therefore in theory an acceptable risk Albs :y
Some insurers don't care ;) ;)
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
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Most Insurers access the database to see if the Proposers car is compliant with current regs & therefore in theory an acceptable risk Albs :y
Some insurers don't care ;) ;)
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I wish my last one (saga) didn't, I had to jump through hoops before they accepted my car was on the Register! :(
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
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Most Insurers access the database to see if the Proposers car is compliant with current regs & therefore in theory an acceptable risk Albs :y
Some insurers don't care ;) ;)
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I wish my last one (saga) didn't, I had to jump through hoops before they accepted my car was on the Register! :(
That's just because you're old though :-X :P ::) :D
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
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Most Insurers access the database to see if the Proposers car is compliant with current regs & therefore in theory an acceptable risk Albs :y
Some insurers don't care ;) ;)
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I wish my last one (saga) didn't, I had to jump through hoops before they accepted my car was on the Register! :(
That's just because you're old though :-X :P ::) :D
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Cheeky young whippersnapper! ;D
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I suspect any insurance company would use it not being on the register as an excuse not to pay out... ...remember they are always happy to take your money, never happy to pay out.
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
Doubt they send it back - the online register is the only official certification now. It appears straight away as well, mine was on the register before I even collected the car from the inspection.
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Its not on the register. :(
It suggests forwarding the certificate to them to have it put on the register. Do they send it back when theyhave done with it ? :-/
Is there any particular advantage to being on the register ? :-/
Doubt they send it back - the online register is the only official certification now. It appears straight away as well, mine was on the register before I even collected the car from the inspection.
New inspections go straight on... as there is no other system..... older conversions there are 2 ways .... 1) you send your certificate in and if they agree it goes on.. eventually 2) the converting garage sends in details of all the conversions they have done, these eventually hit the system.
Mine came under the second one ... after a little pushing .. :) My converters informed me that they had sent the stuff in 4 months previously .. but the car was not on the register and insurance renewal was getting tedious...... so I e-mailed the register - with a VERY strongly worded and pointed message - and within 48 hours it was suddenly on .. :)
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Had the new style Stag reducer/vapouriser delivered on Wed, the brand name is KME, it has some noticeable differences 1st is it has 2 gas outputs and thereby 2 seperate filters each I understand from a collegue of Teilo (he's away on the continent till Monday) to serve each bank on the v6 so the 1in 2out filter that came with the kit I assume will be surplus to requirement.There is also a seperate filter that locates on the gas feed pipe from the tank, just before the reducer input, I thought this item was a pressure controller of some sort by it's appearance, it's of a strong steel cast construction, and small, would almost fit in a 2"box, it has a renewable element I understand from Teilo's collegue, and has access almost like the v6 engine oil filter.The reducer itself seems quite compact although I'm not really qualified to judge,it's the 1st I've handled,all others been from pics,Phew I'm on a real learning curve,now got to get back to sorting the tank,and have a look where to locate the vapouriser later on today