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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: M on 19 March 2011, 22:42:05
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I have noticed on the forum quite a few members thinking about what they can replace their Migs with when the inevitable happens and its time to let their Omega go.....
Having just bought a 92,000 mile 2002 Superb 2.0 Classic for £1650 I think this car is in many ways a natural progression after an Omega
Why?
Well,
both are large saloons (Superb larger),
both extremely comfortable,
both very competent motorway cruisers,
both great value for money as used cars,
both very reliable (Superb basically a stretched VW Passat with Skoda badges),
both can offer good mpg figures
both offer a varied selection of engines from 2.0 petrol to V6 models, and diesels variants too....
I think in many ways the Superb offers ex Omega owners what they have come to expect and in some aspects improves on the Omega too
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I'm lost for words Martin! :-? :-? :-? :-?
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
I'd like to replace my Omega with another RWD car ... preferably on that doesn't sound like a taxi. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Yer wot? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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do vw /audi have a similar vehicle?
mechanically skodas are similar its just the trim quality like the other brand seat. its not as nice.
visually nice cars not driven one yet.
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lol the 2.0 petrol doesnt sound like a diesel !!!
Probably the diesels do......
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do vw /audi have a similar vehicle?
mechanically skodas are similar its just the trim quality like the other brand seat. its not as nice.
visually nice cars not driven one yet.
When I say the Superb is a stretched Passat, thats exactly what I mean....it IS a VW with Skoda badges on.
All parts are as per the Passat, build quality is as good as a Passat (if not better)
I think these Superbs are the best kept secret in motoring, once you have got over the badge snobbery and 20 year old jokes......
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lol the 2.0 petrol doesnt sound like a diesel !!!
Probably the diesels do......
:D :D :y
I have to confess that I look at Merc E320s as a potential replacement but when you hear a diseasal on the road or at the lights - modern or not - they're noisy horrible things, & I have my doubts. :-/
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... and 20 year old jokes......
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HRW keeps your hands warm when you're pushing them! ::) ::) ::) ;) :y
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... and 20 year old jokes......
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HRW keeps your hands warm when you're pushing them! ::) ::) ::) ;) :y
lol Whats the difference between a school and a Skoda?
A school breaks up.......
:D :D :D
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i think the french outlive the merc at the moment in the rust out stakes.
quality of the mercs paint wise from 95 on is rubbish.
seen 05 vitos full of panel rust.
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quality of the mercs paint wise from 95 on is rubbish.
seen 05 vitos full of panel rust.
....... and Vauxhall have a good reputation for paint? :-? :-? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Compare a similar aged Vauxhall with an equivalent BMW or Merc or other and IMO a Vauxhall doesn't really fare very well. :(
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I'm with you re the merc Andy,I have recently done some miles in both a bmw535 diesel and a merc e320 diesel both 2006 models,the BMW was ballistic but had a bloody awful ride but the merc was fantastic in every way,I want one but will have to wait a few years for the price to come my way. :'(
To the OP the superb is a nice car as well,had a drive in a 140 diesel and was impressed save for it being wrong wheel drive :y
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quality of the mercs paint wise from 95 on is rubbish.
seen 05 vitos full of panel rust.
....... and Vauxhall have a good reputation for paint? :-? :-? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Compare a similar aged Vauxhall with an equivalent BMW or Merc or other and IMO a Vauxhall doesn't really fare very well. :(
i didnt mention vx.
if your talking mig the facelift have a slight edge over the previous shape (door tops and arches) , even so in random places where the paint is thin like the "a" posts and somewhere else i have forgotten slight blemishes are on the way.
in comparison to the french motors i mention, old 205 s 405s and 106 s dont really rust but die price to spend wise.
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quality of the mercs paint wise from 95 on is rubbish.
seen 05 vitos full of panel rust.
....... and Vauxhall have a good reputation for paint? :-? :-? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Compare a similar aged Vauxhall with an equivalent BMW or Merc or other and IMO a Vauxhall doesn't really fare very well. :(
i didnt mention vx.
if your talking mig the facelift have a slight edge over the previous shape (door tops and arches) , even so in random places where the paint is thin like the "a" posts and somewhere else i have forgotten slight blemishes are on the way.
in comparison to the french motors i mention, old 205 s 405s and 106 s dont really rust but die price to spend wise.
I know :y ............ but your post was the easiest to quote from. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Notice the new superb alot on the motorway, mostly due to the pig ugly rear end. Older models look more passat shaped so don't notice those so much.
Ime vag diagnostics is fairly awful with very fussy engine management, ESP around early 2000. Abs sensors another achilles on polo golf and passat.
Good shout though. Still fancy the Phaeton from 05 on having said all that.
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..... Still fancy the Phaeton from 05 on having said all that.
Do you need to start saving then? ;) ;) ;)
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..... Still fancy the Phaeton from 05 on having said all that.
Do you need to start saving then? ;) ;) ;)
yes
saving up for that and the passat cc
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..... Still fancy the Phaeton from 05 on having said all that.
Do you need to start saving then? ;) ;) ;)
yes
saving up for that and the passat cc
There are a few cars I'd like to save up for............. if only SWMBO could pay her way!!!!!!! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X (I don't mean in a lurid way .......)
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..... Still fancy the Phaeton from 05 on having said all that.
Do you need to start saving then? ;) ;) ;)
yes
saving up for that and the passat cc
There are a few cars I'd like to save up for............. if only SWMBO could pay her way!!!!!!! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X (I don't mean in a lurid way .......)
I know what you mean, I am thinking of telling swmbo that our joint account is not working, that we should go back to separate accounts and pay equally into a household account....bet she is not keen on that.... ::) ::)
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Gave a Superb a good look over in 2004 when I bought my Vectra. I found that there wasn't as much space for the driver as there was in the Vectra (and Omega) but space in the back was good... Phaeton is more tempting for me but not sure what I'll go for when the time comes :-/
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Thank God you didn't buy a diesel one. :y
People will still think it's a taxi, but it wont sound like one. Bet it's silver too. ;D
They're quite fussy cars to keep going. use the wrong oil and the cams last 200-250k max then they just stop working. Vacuum pumps on the diesels are also prone to failure. The engines react quite badly to open surgery. Also tend to eat flywheels.
80% of the idiot sheeptaxi drivers in Horsham use Skodas (because the cars are cheap to buy initially). I can only think of one (of about 40 cars) that I would want to buy second hand, and only because the bloke that runs it is compulsive with cleaning and maintaining it, and it's the only one that I know of that hasn't suffered any of the above.
We bought one of a bloke who retired, and fortunately only spent £200 on it before chopping it in against a Vectra. ::)
Only buy a new vw group car, run it for 2 years/60k when the warranty runs out, then bin it. :y
Not a fan ::)
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We have a diesel Octavia Estate at work as a general runaround. Its done about 100K on an '05' plate, and has been faultlessly reliable.
Haven't been in a new Superb, but I'm hoping for their fans' sake that the interior has improved markedly - all the dull greyish black plastics, the not very good seats, the lack of somewhere to rest your left arm....
A dynamially OK car with strong mechanicals but poor attention to the niceties that make one fall in love with a car.
Talking general VW group for a minute, would also say that all of them in my experience ride very, very harshly.
Don't think I'd ever be tempted.....
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Tony, by "niceties that make you fall in love with a car" I trust you mean little touches?
Ambient lighting for example? "Walk me home" lights?Retracting hooks in the boot to hold carrier bags? Cooled glovebox and front amrest cubbyhole?
My Superb has them all
Hard ride? Don't think so, had a Rover 75 a few years back and the Superb betters that....
Interior in very well built, to VW standard if not even better.
Less room for the driver than an Omega??? I doubt that, the Superb is the most spacious car I have ever owned, including Omegas
Electrical issues? None. It's a VW not a Renault!!!
I don't care that they are used as taxis, shows they can take the abuse and high miles. Most on Autotrdar are 150,000 miles or more, many well over 200,000....
Yes, maybe they are bland, but they are also dependable, extremely comfortable and spacious
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id have one without thinking about it.a mates got a 56 plate octava with 400 thou on it still goin strong.i think there very well built cars and mega relibile to boot and a lot of car for your money.paul
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I don't care that they are used as taxis, shows they can take the abuse and high miles. Most on Autotrdar are 150,000 miles or more, many well over 200,000....
Only because they are bought through taxi supply companies for £80+vat per week over 5 years, (£24k for a £15k car) so people are stuck with them, they get serviced to a minimum, and consequently won't last much over 200k. Also those ex cabs are well over priced second hand.
I'd rather buy a 250k mile Omega, At least I'd know what would be wrong with it.
Just because they're built by VW doesn't make them any good, it's just that VW are better blaggers than GM. My brand new VW built SEAT had to be towed to the garage four times in two years, and lost 80% of its' value in that time >:(. My 160k ex police Omega has only had to be recovered once in the same time. :-/
"We pay the VAT" clever marketing or blackmail? You decide :-/
Rant over. :-X
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Rant accepted!!
Fair enough, in my own opinion I think they are great motors, and considering what they were making 20 years ago I think they have come a very very long way
Before we bought the Superb last weekend, we looked at all sorts of cars including Lagunas, Omegas, X Types, Vectras and Espaces, however we chose the Skoda cos it was the only car (bar Omega) that I could see myself driving to the family in Poland in
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what to replace Omega with - that's a good question...
there's going to come a time when Omegas no longer look modern and finding a decent one will become impossible, but I am really struggling to come up with a viable alternative.
Mercedes - are all automatic as far as I can tell, well all the interesting ones anyway - and a bit too lardy
BMW - says something about you that I'd rather not have said about me.
I flat refuse to even consider anything front-wheel-drive
but what's left ?
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Monaro? Bit too thirsty for my pockets, but my sons would love it!
I like the shape of the latest 5 series and it has a nice stance but the dashboard looks vile imho.
I'm just hoping to run my Omega's for a few years yet......
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already have a 4-door Monaro ( Holden Commodore )
thinking of going older - maybe Mark II Jag, or maybe get my arse in gear and get the Bentley back on the road
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Rant accepted!!
Fair enough, in my own opinion I think they are great motors, and considering what they were making 20 years ago I think they have come a very very long way
Before we bought the Superb last weekend, we looked at all sorts of cars including Lagunas, Omegas, X Types, Vectras and Espaces, however we chose the Skoda cos it was the only car (bar Omega) that I could see myself driving to the family in Poland in
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we chose the Skoda cos it was the only car (bar Omega) that I could see myself driving to the family in Poland in
At the end of it all, that's all that matters. :y
Enjoy the car Martyn.
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thinking of going older - maybe Mark II Jag, or ....
A MK II is quite primitive as far as suspension etc is concerned. Best car of that kind of era IMO is a MK X/420G :y :y
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but what's left ?
Thats the problem, what other big RWD comfy, easy to maintain alternatives are out there? :(
Lots of newer examples won't be nearly so easy for DIY home fixing....
For me its:
Audi A8 V8 Diesel, Bose, very very well built and great feel, love centre dash layout. Down side only autos...
BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.
Jag XJ, what with the new shape, the previous shape will become very cheap!
VW Phantom, trouble is with VW is the lack "it" - They lack soul!
Mercs - Sorry don't like E-Class in anyway shape or form. Build is shite too...
Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern :(
Suspect (when funds allow) - It will be a Monaro for fun, FWD diesel box for work (if I have a commute)
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thinking of going older - maybe Mark II Jag, or ....
A MK II is quite primitive as far as suspension etc is concerned. Best car of that kind of era IMO is a MK X/420G :y :y
There are a lot of re-engineering houses devoted to Jags, Andy - they'll retain the look and feel of the car, but subtly upate it to under the skin to make it feel and drive in a more modern way.
Beacham are the top-notch company for Mark II's - supply them with a an MoT'd project car, and for the thick end of £60K or so they'll transform it for you. Not highly economic, I'll grant you, but if you can find one that some other poor sod has taken the hit on, they can make sense as a daily driver.
Do agree with you about the 420G tho - I had one of those. Very fondly remembered.... :)
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what to replace Omega with - that's a good question...
there's going to come a time when Omegas no longer look modern and finding a decent one will become impossible, but I am really struggling to come up with a viable alternative.
Mercedes - are all automatic as far as I can tell, well all the interesting ones anyway - and a bit too lardy
BMW - says something about you that I'd rather not have said about me.
I flat refuse to even consider anything front-wheel-drive
but what's left ?
You have the answer - you already have a Holden.
I was playing a game with a co worker who hates diesel and auto - however dodgy knee and petrol is pricy.
I did mention all the auto he had driven were little engines.
He still doesn't know which of his dark sides he would choose
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Monaro? Bit too thirsty for my pockets, but my sons would love it!
I like the shape of the latest 5 series and it has a nice stance but the dashboard looks vile imho.
I'm just hoping to run my Omega's for a few years yet......
Same here - looks like the Waxoyling I did 5 years ago is still there - wanted to reload it but can't find my big can.
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I think in a few years if they drop prices enough things like XFs will be popular
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Early Vxr8 or Monaro might be cheap enough by the time my Omega needs replacing. No toys though, no remote closing windows and sunroof there, oh no.
Had a rare chance to compare the Omega to a Bentley at the Oxford meet. We do get a lot of car for not much money here on oof. Suspect there will have to be some compromises when the time comes.
Bangs for buck in rear wheel drive = omega, just does. ESP with LPG. :y
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thinking of going older - maybe Mark II Jag, or ....
A MK II is quite primitive as far as suspension etc is concerned. Best car of that kind of era IMO is a MK X/420G :y :y
been down that road - used to have a green early Mk X auto. A mate of mine killed a Transit with it
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BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.
Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.
Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern :(
My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6
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BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.
Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.
Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern :(
My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6
Monaro it is then 8-) :D
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BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.
Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.
Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern :(
My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6
Monaro it is then 8-) :D
That cant be right can it! Not doubting for a minute, but the v6 is thirsty IMO, is it the engine management feeding a closed throttle to keep the over run smooth? Seen some live data that suggests as much, but how does that compare with other cars. :-/. (if so?)
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BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.
Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.
Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern :(
My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6
Monaro it is then 8-) :D
That cant be right can it! Not doubting for a minute, but the v6 is thirsty IMO, is it the engine management feeding a closed throttle to keep the over run smooth? Seen some live data that suggests as much, but how does that compare with other cars. :-/. (if so?)
2woody must have the 5.7 in his at a guess?
Did quick google on official stats:
3.2 V6 24V MV6 4d Auto 23 mpg 284 g/km
3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d Auto 25 mpg 268 g/km
Manual gets a few more:
3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d 27 mpg 251 g/km
Monaro comes out as:
5.7 V8 VXR 2d 18 mpg 360 g/km
6.0 V8 VXR 2d 17 mpg 384 g/km
Source was parkers, our 3.0 Elite Estate gets around 27 ish over the course of a tank. So those figures look a little under real world.
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quite how the Co2 is less on the manual I don't know, its the same engine! :-?
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quite how the Co2 is less on the manual I don't know, its the same engine! :-?
most auto's except the latest dsg jobbies emit higher emissions than the manual versions,I believe its because on the test thats used the auto's can't get into top gear
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I think in a few years if they drop prices enough things like XFs will be popular
Like Migs did a few years ago, started off around 27K, and we got them for 10%-20% of that 5 years later. And the XF starts at around £31K, so in 4 or 5 years we may be able to get them for around £3K-£4K. Time to start saving. :y
Ken
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BMW 530d, downside is well, its a BMW 5 series! Image, well not really fussed about that, heck i drive a Vauxhall, do we care of what image? Ride in the Sport models gets very bad reviews. I don't like SE spec steering wheel and trim.
Vauxhall Omegas have no image, but that's ok by me. BMW has a BMW image, which most definitely isn't ok by me.
Ideal world I would love a Monaro or VXR8, but fuel costs is a big concern :(
My Holden is currently the most economical car I have. Driven in the same manner over the same journey, it will return about 6mpg more than my 2.6 MV6
Monaro it is then 8-) :D
That cant be right can it! Not doubting for a minute, but the v6 is thirsty IMO, is it the engine management feeding a closed throttle to keep the over run smooth? Seen some live data that suggests as much, but how does that compare with other cars. :-/. (if so?)
2woody must have the 5.7 in his at a guess?
Did quick google on official stats:
3.2 V6 24V MV6 4d Auto 23 mpg 284 g/km
3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d Auto 25 mpg 268 g/km
Manual gets a few more:
3.0i V6 24V MV6 4d 27 mpg 251 g/km
Monaro comes out as:
5.7 V8 VXR 2d 18 mpg 360 g/km
6.0 V8 VXR 2d 17 mpg 384 g/km
Source was parkers, our 3.0 Elite Estate gets around 27 ish over the course of a tank. So those figures look a little under real world.
The "official" figures are taken during the EU-drive cycle used for the emissions test. So they're not really relevant to certainly my normal driving. Mind you, the EU is not relevant to anything as far as I can tell.
I am quite careful to compare fuel mileages over a long run. A typical week will see me driving 325 miles motorway on a Monday, with a return home on Thursday 275 miles motorway followed by 50 miles mountian passes. Some town work in between. That gives a good long run to compare.
Over that profile, I normally get....
2.6 manual - 26mpg
3.0 manual - 30mpg
3.0 auto - 27mpg
5.7 manual 31mpg
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So why is the v6 so juicy...? :-/. Comparatively speaking.
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sh!t engine? *runs and hides from DTM ;D
Seriously, more power is known to be better as it as to work less. Hence 3.0 manual is as good on fuel as a 2.2....
As I'm known for having a light foot, someone should buy me a Monaro so I can conduct fuel tests! 8-)
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So by definition, don't need a Monaro Tunster.... :P
They (V6) do run very rich from cold I am certain, can almost taste the petrol walking round the rear, and all that coasting off throttle, alright it's auto but that's not a zero fuel delivery state at lower speeds/revs. Drove a manual that's alot harsher throttle closed, yes it will be to an extent but even so.
Wonder if it's worth a careful re map ....? :-/
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if i had a v8 under the hood i certainly wouldn't (and haven't) seen those figures returned so hat's off to you woody for economical driving, but to the op my wife has a vw polo which we bought as a cheap runabout and its ecu is so temperemental that when we first got it we spent loads getting sensors changed etc eventually we did some research and saw that this was an ecu problem and ignored the lights that came up and they eventually go away so i would never trust vw again as this was CLEARLY a known problem and they didn't re-map for us, as for a replacement to the mig i would go mv6 mazda awd and fast!!
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that's just the thing - i don't drive economically.
you hardly need any throttle in the Holden to "keep up with the traffic".
recently came home from London in the Holden in the early hours. 325 miles in less than four hours including three stops. Never exceeded 2000 rpm for the entire trip.
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if i had a v8 under the hood i certainly wouldn't (and haven't) seen those figures returned so hat's off to you woody for economical driving, but to the op my wife has a vw polo which we bought as a cheap runabout and its ecu is so temperemental that when we first got it we spent loads getting sensors changed etc eventually we did some research and saw that this was an ecu problem and ignored the lights that came up and they eventually go away so i would never trust vw again as this was CLEARLY a known problem and they didn't re-map for us, as for a replacement to the mig i would go mv6 mazda awd and fast!!
I take it you mean the mazda 6 MPS?
256bhp AWD.
plain looking unfortunately. That is however its only downfall.
4wd is almost constant. Only dropping off when at idle and with the handbrake on lol