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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 30 March 2011, 13:15:27
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Right, the fun begins, I have sourced a tank.
It's a 90 litre cylinder, with a 400 diameter.
It is a 4 hole tank, made by Stako. Comes with valves and airtight box.
New (but old) stock - £90 + VAT to me. Good? :y
Question is - can I use my existing tank frame (which is for a 100l 400 dia) - or will the straps be too close to the edges?
Cheers,
James
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should be fine, sure mine is 90L by 400
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should be fine, sure mine is 90L by 400
What does yours fill to Tunnie, from empty?
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should be fine, sure mine is 90L by 400
What does yours fill to Tunnie, from empty?
Mines rotated to over-fill a tad, as I always do at least 20/30 miles after filling up, from empty I can get 74L, which is a range of about 360-400 miles :)
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should be fine, sure mine is 90L by 400
What does yours fill to Tunnie, from empty?
Mines rotated to over-fill a tad, as I always do at least 20/30 miles after filling up, from empty I can get 74L, which is a range of about 360-400 miles :)
Which way would you rotate it, to do that?
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Where did you get your tank from please?
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backwards (towards the back seats) so the airtight box pointed higher in the boot. It means the ball-cock system had higher to go before it shut off the fill
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this might help:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/FinalBits/DSC00701.JPG)
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should be fine, sure mine is 90L by 400
What does yours fill to Tunnie, from empty?
Mines rotated to over-fill a tad, as I always do at least 20/30 miles after filling up, from empty I can get 74L, which is a range of about 360-400 miles :)
Which way would you rotate it, to do that?
Depends where in the tank the float ends up when it's full, I guess.
You won't gain much unless you change the angle of the pickup pipe either. It'll just start sucking vapour earlier and switch back to petrol.
72l is the 80% fill level for a 90l tank.
Kevin
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should be fine, sure mine is 90L by 400
What does yours fill to Tunnie, from empty?
Mines rotated to over-fill a tad, as I always do at least 20/30 miles after filling up, from empty I can get 74L, which is a range of about 360-400 miles :)
Which way would you rotate it, to do that?
Depends where in the tank the float ends up when it's full, I guess.
You won't gain much unless you change the angle of the pickup pipe either. It'll just start sucking vapour earlier and switch back to petrol.
72l is the 80% fill level for a 90l tank.
Kevin
Many thanks Kev
More than happy with 72 litres. That's a range of 316 miles at 20mpg! :y
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this might help:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/FinalBits/DSC00701.JPG)
Is that strap loose ;)
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this might help:
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/FinalBits/DSC00701.JPG)
Is that strap loose ;)
Not any more, that was taken on install day, that was a bend in the strap before i fitted it.
Its smoothed out now :)
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Yes, good price James.
Tunnie, yours is a 90L, 360mm Dia tank ;)
Rotating it for an overfill is dangerous and not something I could advise with a clear conscience :y :y
To Add, that's the size I have. Mine underfills by about half a litre and I get around 300 miles on my normal running around (Fast A roads with lots of roundabouts and Town use) and have managed over 380 (without running out) on a fast run down through Europe :y :y
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
I'll send you a PM in a moment Jim ;) ;)
I'd advise the 80L cylinder tank as best compromise between range and space/ease of fitting :y :y
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
Can be done in 2-3 days as long as everything goes to plan... Think mine took 3 days total and we did Tunnie's 4 pot in 2.5 days, although one of those was a 12 hour one ::)
But, I had a pre drilled fannymould to put straight in ;) ;)
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
The only company I would recommend is the one that Entwood used... And that'll be a little over £2k :o
Jim, you are capable of doing it yourself with some help and guidance... I'm sure between us we can help out :y
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
The only company I would recommend is the one that Entwood used... And that'll be a little over £2k :o
Jim, you are capable of doing it yourself with some help and guidance... I'm sure between us we can help out :y
Cheers Mate, Your place or mine?? ;D ;D
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
The only company I would recommend is the one that Entwood used... And that'll be a little over £2k :o
Jim, you are capable of doing it yourself with some help and guidance... I'm sure between us we can help out :y
Cheers Mate, Your place or mine?? ;D ;D
Errrm............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
The only company I would recommend is the one that Entwood used... And that'll be a little over £2k :o
Jim, you are capable of doing it yourself with some help and guidance... I'm sure between us we can help out :y
Cheers Mate, Your place or mine?? ;D ;D
Errrm............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Enough Said!!! ;D ;D ;D
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
The only company I would recommend is the one that Entwood used... And that'll be a little over £2k :o
Jim, you are capable of doing it yourself with some help and guidance... I'm sure between us we can help out :y
Cheers Mate, Your place or mine?? ;D ;D
Errrm............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Enough Said!!! ;D ;D ;D
Just not fit for it at the moment, otherwise I would have said yours... Flights to Glasgow can't be that much ;D ;D
Now if you were still in Italy.......... ::) :D
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I need to get in on this LPG stuff, where do I get my kit and whos helping me fit it???
The idea of a fitting party was mooted about last year, but we proved its simply not possible to do multiple cars in a very long weekend. 3 of use may *just* have got one car done on a very long weekend.
This time, I'l probably doing my car over at least 2 weekends...
I would give it to a LPG fitting company to do but I've heard of so many nightmare stories so would rather get help from someone on the forum for a more professional fit ;)
The only company I would recommend is the one that Entwood used... And that'll be a little over £2k :o
Jim, you are capable of doing it yourself with some help and guidance... I'm sure between us we can help out :y
Cheers Mate, Your place or mine?? ;D ;D
Errrm............. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Enough Said!!! ;D ;D ;D
Just not fit for it at the moment, otherwise I would have said yours... Flights to Glasgow can't be that much ;D ;D
Now if you were still in Italy.......... ::) :D
I'm working in Gloucester at the mo!!
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I can do a very good deal on tanks :o
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I can do a very good deal on tanks :o
I'm guessing not that sort of tank ;D
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Re fitting party, I am sure front end kit could be fitted in a weekend, and being the hardest part would be best use of party time.
Tank fitting would be the easier job I suppose? So could be done at home the following weekend.
Main thing is to get the injectors fitted to the vaporiser and inlet sealed, then the car can be driven (although its better to plum the water works as well while its apart) and all else fitted when time allows. Personally I had the entire loom cable tied up in the engine bay waiting completion for a fortnight. ::) ;D
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I can do a very good deal on tanks :o
Ex Libyan ??? :)
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Re fitting party, I am sure front end kit could be fitted in a weekend, and being the hardest part would be best use of party time.
Tank fitting would be the easier job I suppose? So could be done at home the following weekend.
Main thing is to get the injectors fitted to the vaporiser and inlet sealed, then the car can be driven (although its better to plum the water works as well while its apart) and all else fitted when time allows. Personally I had the entire loom cable tied up in the engine bay waiting completion for a fortnight. ::) ;D
I was kind of thinking the same myself last night - the rear end should doable for DIYers, if they knew where to drill (this is my problem currently). When I do the Elite, I was thinking of making a 'template' and/or measurements for the tank mounting (for 80l tanks - 100l would have to sit forward by 70mm) and the holes for the pipes. Unless somebody already knows where to drill?
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Re fitting party, I am sure front end kit could be fitted in a weekend, and being the hardest part would be best use of party time.
Tank fitting would be the easier job I suppose? So could be done at home the following weekend.
Main thing is to get the injectors fitted to the vaporiser and inlet sealed, then the car can be driven (although its better to plum the water works as well while its apart) and all else fitted when time allows. Personally I had the entire loom cable tied up in the engine bay waiting completion for a fortnight. ::) ;D
I was kind of thinking the same myself last night - the rear end should doable for DIYers, if they knew where to drill (this is my problem currently). When I do the Elite, I was thinking of making a 'template' and/or measurements for the tank mounting (for 80l tanks - 100l would have to sit forward by 70mm) and the holes for the pipes. Unless somebody already knows where to drill?
Actually, a bit more than 70mm, as the widest point of tank is higher, and the back seats slope....
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Re fitting party, I am sure front end kit could be fitted in a weekend, and being the hardest part would be best use of party time.
Tank fitting would be the easier job I suppose? So could be done at home the following weekend.
Main thing is to get the injectors fitted to the vaporiser and inlet sealed, then the car can be driven (although its better to plum the water works as well while its apart) and all else fitted when time allows. Personally I had the entire loom cable tied up in the engine bay waiting completion for a fortnight. ::) ;D
I was kind of thinking the same myself last night - the rear end should doable for DIYers, if they knew where to drill (this is my problem currently). When I do the Elite, I was thinking of making a 'template' and/or measurements for the tank mounting (for 80l tanks - 100l would have to sit forward by 70mm) and the holes for the pipes. Unless somebody already knows where to drill?
Actually, a bit more than 70mm, as the widest point of tank is higher, and the back seats slope....
Actually it wouldn't.... The 360mm dia tanks can't really be fitted flush against the seats, IIRC, because of the shape of the floor. My 400mm dia tank sits pretty much against the seat back (bar a Rizzla or 2) with the frame bolted to the floor as far back as the shape of the floor pan allows.
I was thinking that a template might be a good idea... Looks like there are going to be quite a few conversions in the not too distant future ::)
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I can do a very good deal on tanks :o
One of my PSN friends used to drive them - but his was not as good as it was American.
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Mine is bolted through the floor as I didn't want to crush the chassis rails.
It is secure!
Yes there are thingies under the nuts
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Re fitting party, I am sure front end kit could be fitted in a weekend, and being the hardest part would be best use of party time.
Tank fitting would be the easier job I suppose? So could be done at home the following weekend.
Main thing is to get the injectors fitted to the vaporiser and inlet sealed, then the car can be driven (although its better to plum the water works as well while its apart) and all else fitted when time allows. Personally I had the entire loom cable tied up in the engine bay waiting completion for a fortnight. ::) ;D
I was kind of thinking the same myself last night - the rear end should doable for DIYers, if they knew where to drill (this is my problem currently). When I do the Elite, I was thinking of making a 'template' and/or measurements for the tank mounting (for 80l tanks - 100l would have to sit forward by 70mm) and the holes for the pipes. Unless somebody already knows where to drill?
Actually, a bit more than 70mm, as the widest point of tank is higher, and the back seats slope....
Actually it wouldn't.... The 360mm dia tanks can't really be fitted flush against the seats, IIRC, because of the shape of the floor. My 400mm dia tank sits pretty much against the seat back (bar a Rizzla or 2) with the frame bolted to the floor as far back as the shape of the floor pan allows.
I was thinking that a template might be a good idea... Looks like there are going to be quite a few conversions in the not too distant future ::)
I'd need to check, but I doubt I'd get much weed between my rizzlas either ;D
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Re fitting party, I am sure front end kit could be fitted in a weekend, and being the hardest part would be best use of party time.
Tank fitting would be the easier job I suppose? So could be done at home the following weekend.
Main thing is to get the injectors fitted to the vaporiser and inlet sealed, then the car can be driven (although its better to plum the water works as well while its apart) and all else fitted when time allows. Personally I had the entire loom cable tied up in the engine bay waiting completion for a fortnight. ::) ;D
I was kind of thinking the same myself last night - the rear end should doable for DIYers, if they knew where to drill (this is my problem currently). When I do the Elite, I was thinking of making a 'template' and/or measurements for the tank mounting (for 80l tanks - 100l would have to sit forward by 70mm) and the holes for the pipes. Unless somebody already knows where to drill?
Actually, a bit more than 70mm, as the widest point of tank is higher, and the back seats slope....
Actually it wouldn't.... The 360mm dia tanks can't really be fitted flush against the seats, IIRC, because of the shape of the floor. My 400mm dia tank sits pretty much against the seat back (bar a Rizzla or 2) with the frame bolted to the floor as far back as the shape of the floor pan allows.
I was thinking that a template might be a good idea... Looks like there are going to be quite a few conversions in the not too distant future ::)
I'd need to check, but I doubt I'd get much weed between my rizzlas either ;D
In that case yours is closer to the seats than Kevin's ;) ;)
The floor pan has some "Lumps" in it towards the seat backs and I'm fairly sure my frame sat against them perfectly, like Kevin's :-/ :-/
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
Its a unique room... ...empty it of beer, and it self replenishes :y
I reckon Kevin Wood keeps it full so the space cannot be utilised by Mrs KW for shoes and hanbags :-X
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
Its a unique room... ...empty it of beer, and it self replenishes :y
I reckon Kevin Wood keeps it full so the space cannot be utilised by Mrs KW for shoes and hanbags :-X
I reckon she can always find space for them :D :D :D
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
Its a unique room... ...empty it of beer, and it self replenishes :y
I reckon Kevin Wood keeps it full so the space cannot be utilised by Mrs KW for shoes and hanbags :-X
Yes, anyway..
Drilling the 80L take frame mounting holes is a piece of cake. Remove carpet, slide the frame back until it just sits nicely between the two bulges where the spring seats protrude into the boot floor, make sure it's central and the strap adjusters are on the forward side, and drill. :y
Think you need to drill another pair of holes in the frame at the side, since the other pair are along one of the long edges IIRC.
When drilling the second holes try to arrange them to be clear of the holes in the chassis rail, as you have to fit larger spreaders to cover them otherwise.
Secure with nyloc nuts, and they should be nowhere near tight enough to crush the box section. We're not fitting a tow bar. ;)
Kevin
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
Its a unique room... ...empty it of beer, and it self replenishes :y
I reckon Kevin Wood keeps it full so the space cannot be utilised by Mrs KW for shoes and hanbags :-X
Yes, anyway..
Drilling the 80L take frame mounting holes is a piece of cake. Remove carpet, slide the frame back until it just sits nicely between the two bulges where the spring seats protrude into the boot floor, make sure it's central and the strap adjusters are on the forward side, and drill. :y
Think you need to drill another pair of holes in the frame at the side, since the other pair are along one of the long edges IIRC.
When drilling the second holes try to arrange them to be clear of the holes in the chassis rail, as you have to fit larger spreaders to cover them otherwise.
Secure with nyloc nuts, and they should be nowhere near tight enough to crush the box section. We're not fitting a tow bar. ;)
Kevin
Are all (80l) frames the same then :-?
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
Its a unique room... ...empty it of beer, and it self replenishes :y
I reckon Kevin Wood keeps it full so the space cannot be utilised by Mrs KW for shoes and hanbags :-X
Yes, anyway..
Drilling the 80L take frame mounting holes is a piece of cake. Remove carpet, slide the frame back until it just sits nicely between the two bulges where the spring seats protrude into the boot floor, make sure it's central and the strap adjusters are on the forward side, and drill. :y
Think you need to drill another pair of holes in the frame at the side, since the other pair are along one of the long edges IIRC.
When drilling the second holes try to arrange them to be clear of the holes in the chassis rail, as you have to fit larger spreaders to cover them otherwise.
Secure with nyloc nuts, and they should be nowhere near tight enough to crush the box section. We're not fitting a tow bar. ;)
Kevin
Are all (80l) frames the same then :-?
All 80L, 360MM Dia should be ;) ;)
I drilled little pilot holes (1mm IIRCC) when I did mine and stuck some welding wire through to check they were in the right place ;)
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I think GayBoy drilled mine, I couldn't watch, and I vaguely recall a discussion about how far back I wanted it... ...but then Mr Wood had an awful lot of lager in his utility, and wanted a hand with it the night before, so my memory might not be 100%.....
He had quite a lot of beer in there on the Friday night before the Hampshire meet too ::) ::)
Its a unique room... ...empty it of beer, and it self replenishes :y
I reckon Kevin Wood keeps it full so the space cannot be utilised by Mrs KW for shoes and hanbags :-X
Yes, anyway..
Drilling the 80L take frame mounting holes is a piece of cake. Remove carpet, slide the frame back until it just sits nicely between the two bulges where the spring seats protrude into the boot floor, make sure it's central and the strap adjusters are on the forward side, and drill. :y
Think you need to drill another pair of holes in the frame at the side, since the other pair are along one of the long edges IIRC.
When drilling the second holes try to arrange them to be clear of the holes in the chassis rail, as you have to fit larger spreaders to cover them otherwise.
Secure with nyloc nuts, and they should be nowhere near tight enough to crush the box section. We're not fitting a tow bar. ;)
Kevin
Are all (80l) frames the same then :-?
All 80L, 360MM Dia should be ;) ;)
I drilled little pilot holes (1mm IIRCC) when I did mine and stuck some welding wire through to check they were in the right place ;)
Including the same hole layout :o
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Including the same hole layout :o
I think it'll have 2 holes in the ends and 2 in the long edge... Just reposition the ones on the long edge to the ends :y