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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: feeutfo on 03 April 2011, 15:01:58
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After Jimbobs post on oe pads replacing tc pads and feeling no differant, I noted my brakes where getting low and fitted the set of 10 mile old tc pads from the disc pad set I previously removed from my old car.
I wanted to be absolutely sure of my previous findings, that tc pads are shite when compared to oe re bite and pedal feel.
On fitting tc pads they felt a little more dead than the previous set that had worn down just shy of the wear sensor. After a week I keep getting cought out and running up too close behind cars as the pads seem to be loosing bight on the same set of discs.
Yesterday I came very close to rear ending a car, seriously more pedal pressure is needed with this set than previous. I don't claim to understand Jimbobs situation but I am of no doubt what so ever. TC pads that I have here are of inferior quality to the previous tc set the car came with, which in turn where inferior to oe I was happy with on the previous car.
Conclusion stands. Trade club pads are shite!
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I don't have a problem with them, but I carry a little less weight than most of you ::) :-X ;D
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I don't have a problem with them, but I carry a little less weight than most of you ::) :-X ;D
It's a pain having to carry an extra third of an engine around, let me tell you! ;) ;D
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I don't have a problem with them, but I carry a little less weight than most of you ::) :-X ;D
It's a pain having to carry an extra third of an engine around, let me tell you! ;) ;D
Of course, I was referring to the engine :D
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I'd love to get to the bottom of it.
I know I've had one pair of crap TC pads, the rest have behaved, as far as I can tell, identically to the 'good' jurid set.
Will be interesting to see what happens next time when I 'downgrade' again
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I recently fitted TC pads front & back to same the embarrassing screech when I braked. I have to say that i think the feel is a bit wooden, but a lad from work had a drive of it last week (admittedly just in the works car park) & he thought they were 'fantastic' - but he was comparing them to his diseasal Zafira :-/ :-/
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And that reminds me, they have just started to squeak. >:(
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who makes oe / tc pads for vauxhall ?
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And that reminds me, they have just started to squeak. >:(
use some of that tin of copper slip on the front back of the pads!! ;) ;) ;)
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And that reminds me, they have just started to squeak. >:(
Did you file down the edges by 45°?
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I still have the old set, I have a good mint to return all 8 pads for comparison. Although nothing will come if it. I don't want the money back i want pads that work. >:(
Although they feel the same as TB's brakes on his mv6.
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And that reminds me, they have just started to squeak. >:(
Did you file down the edges by 45°?
Your joking? Have you seen the chamfers on the leading and trailing edges? They account for the loss of almost half the pad face/contact area... :-?
Oe work perfectly well with no chamfer at all. Never mind fileing.
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And that reminds me, they have just started to squeak. >:(
Did you file down the edges by 45°?
Your joking? Have you seen the chamfers on the leading and trailing edges? They account for the loss of almost half the pad face/contact area... :-?
Oe work perfectly well with no chamfer at all. Never mind fileing.
The fat man always told me to file them down ::) :-/
Did that on mother T's Estate, they work well, no complains, no squeaking. (other than the dogs!)
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who makes oe / tc pads for vauxhall ?
These are the tc pads at the top of the picture. Note the massive chamfer on leading and trailing edges of the top two pads.
The four below are oe, no chamfer, and different pad material and level of sintered bits in the pad compound. Also shims riveted on the back.
Oe are marked jurid on the back.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/11062009654.jpg)
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cheers chris :y
i have access to a garage trade acount so i have always fitted either mintex or pagid pads :y
never had a problem stopping even when i drive " rather" fast ;D
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GayBoyGixer has driven my MV6 with TC pads on, and immediately moaned they were TC, so there is something he doesn't like about them.
However, as I'm sure even chrisgixer will point out, thet can stop a hurtling Omega as quickly as any other.
No idea what pads are on the Elite, but the brakes feel no different to me, other than the excessive suspension movement that Elites have ;D
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well i've been schooled, i always thought tc always was tradecard so same shite better price clearly not!! but gotta say i put brembo onto my mazda and pulling outta the carpark i thought i wasn't gonna stop? very weird do these brakes need warming because usually they are so precise?
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well i've been schooled, i always thought tc always was tradecard so same shite better price clearly not!! but gotta say i put brembo onto my mazda and pulling outta the carpark i thought i wasn't gonna stop? very weird do these brakes need warming because usually they are so precise?
The pads sold at dealers are classed aftermarket (unless you specify the OE part numbers). TC just makes these aftermarket ones much cheaper
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well i've been schooled, i always thought tc always was tradecard so same shite better price clearly not!! but gotta say i put brembo onto my mazda and pulling outta the carpark i thought i wasn't gonna stop? very weird do these brakes need warming because usually they are so precise?
more a case of 'replacement' pads, or 'factory' pads.
only the replacement get discounted, and even then start at a fracvtion of the proce of the factory ones
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so is this the way tx gets into the aftermarket replacement parts line?? because lets be honest we can all do that?
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TBH, I've never been "caught short" with my TC pads, but I've found aftermarket just as good
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TBH, I've never been "caught short" with my TC pads, but I've found aftermarket just as good
The shite on Goldie were pretty abysmal. It was some the previous owner's garage had fitted according to history...
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Much as I hated the TC pads on mine when I first got them, they eventually stopped squealing, and I got much better braking with fresh pads and disks on the rear.
They are now great. Once there's a little heat in them the pedal feel is excellent and I wouldn't want any more bite, TBH.
I wouldn't assume for a minute that every batch of TC pads if the same spec. and from the same manufacturer, thought, so I guess some variation is possible.
Are you sure you've given them long enough to bed in?
Kevin
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On the box of the set of TC pads I have here, which I got from a VX Dealer says "Made In India" on it!!
I'm sure the last set I got did not say that on them.
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On the box of the set of TC pads I have here, which I got from a VX Dealer says "Made In India" on it!!
I'm sure the last set I got did not say that on them.
:-?
Is the friction material cardboard like on their taxis? ;)
Kevin
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Much as I hated the TC pads on mine when I first got them, they eventually stopped squealing, and I got much better braking with fresh pads and disks on the rear.
They are now great. Once there's a little heat in them the pedal feel is excellent and I wouldn't want any more bite, TBH.
I wouldn't assume for a minute that every batch of TC pads if the same spec. and from the same manufacturer, thought, so I guess some variation is possible.
Are you sure you've given them long enough to bed in?
Kevin
Interesting comment that... Sure he said his had only done 100 miles or so.... Wasn't that impressed with mine for a good 800-1000 miles or so but they certainly work when wanted now ::) ::) ::) Although they do like some heat :-/ :-/
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Suffered all these ills with Vx Trade Club pads on our Omegas.
Bit the bullet and recently fitted EBC 'Green Stuff' pads and Vx discs all round.
Amazing difference performance-wise, and much less dust too!
Best prices and service here: http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/
"You gets what you pay for" etc etc springs to mind .......... :y
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As it happens 2woody drove the car after fitting about a week ago as I fitted the pads just prior to him re setting the steering box to the steering column. On testing the car he felt the brake performance was ok, compared to what he's used to I guess, but they needed bedding in true enough, the discs are just starting to show that rust line on the inboard outer edge, so they are worn, soon to be replaced, tbh I only fitted the pads to save the ware sensor, plus the old set where clicking as the springs had worn away.
That was at least a week ago, 44 miles a day commute, a trip to wim and nearby refurb company plus a load of running around locally, trip to wallingford, must have done 500 miles since.
Thing is the performance is worse than the day they where fitted. And I haven't cooked them.
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.... And I haven't cooked them.
Really? Are you sure? ;D ;D ;D
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.... And I haven't cooked them.
Really? Are you sure? ;D ;D ;D
;D well I suppose it's difficult to tell ;D
But yes I am sure. :)
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.... And I haven't cooked them.
Really? Are you sure? ;D ;D ;D
;D well I suppose it's difficult to tell ;D
But yes I am sure. :)
;D Strange though... Mine seem ok but I suppose it depends what they're being compared to :-/
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.... And I haven't cooked them.
Really? Are you sure? ;D ;D ;D
;D well I suppose it's difficult to tell ;D
But yes I am sure. :)
;D Strange though... Mine seem ok but I suppose it depends what they're being compared to :-/
They're better than no brakes at all I suppose. :-/
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I don't think TB grasped the difference when he drove my old car with oe, he never used anything other than 100% braking. ;D
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I used to have the spec of what went into one company's pad material. just been searching my PC but cannot find it. It is not an exact science to be an understatement. The ingredient that stood out to me was cashew nut shells. For someone to put cashew nut shells in he must have been looking for inspiration! I'd guess massive variation possible between manufacturers and possibly reasonable variation between batches.
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.... And I haven't cooked them.
Really? Are you sure? ;D ;D ;D
;D well I suppose it's difficult to tell ;D
But yes I am sure. :)
To knacker the TC ones, you have to really cook them. Way beyond the point where the pad loses its bit, almost to the point where the pedal starts to get very close to the floor. Apparently ::)
At this point, they are shot, they will never regain a good 'bite'
IMHO, due to the soft (thus dusty) nature of them, they bed in quite quickly.
Also, I find TC pads really need changing before you hit the wear sensor, as they are more prone to overheating once about half worn. The damn things are so cheap, I tend to do it before they need to be done as a matter of course. I find new pads have good stopping ability after just a few miles, and are ready for some abuse within a couple of days (120 miles).
I suspect chrisgixer's issue is not the capability of the pad to stop the car, but more the feedback he feels he is not getting from them, or perhaps the initial grab when applying gently.
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I don't think TB grasped the difference when he drove my old car with oe, he never used anything other than 100% braking. ;D
Want to go faster, turn on the right hand switch, want to go slower, turn on the left (or middle if that way inclined) switch.
Simples.