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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 13 April 2011, 19:44:54
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...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in.
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Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
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Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
After all the currys, maybe CG and LD have farted in it....
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...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in.
Where is the leak, TB?
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...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in.
Where is the leak, TB?
In the tank...
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Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
After all the currys, maybe CG and LD have farted in it....
you mean talk s+++e ;D ;D ;D
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...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in.
Where is the leak, TB?
In the tank...
A valve, I hope ::) (Ahh, relates to your post about how they're sealed, all falling into place now) :y
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why not empty it from the boot..
and the smell is more effective than a bottle of whisky ;D :P
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Worried about the fill stop too... I wonder if it's worth removing that too :-/ :-/ :-/ Nah... But don't forget to rotate the tank slightly and fully tighten the straps too ;) ;)
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Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
After all the currys, maybe CG and LD have farted in it....
Just because you were having "confidence" issues ;D ;D ;D
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Worried about the fill stop too... I wonder if it's worth removing that too :-/ :-/ :-/ Nah... But don't forget to rotate the tank slightly and fully tighten the straps too ;) ;)
Tank tweaked and tightened (later through necessity ::)). Need to test how far tank fills again.
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Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
After all the currys, maybe CG and LD have farted in it....
Just because you were having "confidence" issues ;D ;D ;D
Sunday morning, that was a bit or an ordeal.... :-[
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I certainly would not be running it out of petrol by driving it? if its got to come out then it wont weigh much now, not worth the hassle of sucking a load of crap into the lines and filters etc?
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
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I certainly would not be running it out of petrol by driving it? if its got to come out then it wont weigh much now, not worth the hassle of sucking a load of crap into the lines and filters etc?
LPG tank ;) ;)
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I certainly would not be running it out of petrol by driving it? if its got to come out then it wont weigh much now, not worth the hassle of sucking a load of crap into the lines and filters etc?
LPG, buddy ;)
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Nope... Runs fine. Just got to sort the very slight leak from one of the valves on the tank ;) ;)
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
It runs fine on LPG. Very well.
The problem is, it uses LPG even when its turned off ::)
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
It runs fine on LPG. Very well.
The problem is, it uses LPG even when its turned off ::)
But obviously not much if it's still not empty ::)
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Did you fit another tank in the spare wheel well and forgot about it :-*
After all the currys, maybe CG and LD have farted in it....
Just because you were having "confidence" issues ;D ;D ;D
Sunday morning, that was a bit or an ordeal.... :-[
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I can only laugh because it wasn't my ordeal :P :P :P
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
It runs fine on LPG. Very well.
The problem is, it uses LPG even when its turned off ::)
But obviously not much if it's still not empty ::)
No smoking around the Elite then, actually no, lets all spark one up! 8-)
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;)
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;)
The argument of course could be that the 4pot has no power to create lag ::)
When i get my Monaro/VXR8 we will see who will have 3/4 of an engine :P ;D ;D :D
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;)
The argument of course could be that the 4pot has no power to create lag ::)
When i get my Monaro/VXR8 we will see who will have 3/4 of an engine :P ;D ;D :D
Tunnie, get a proper M5..
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;)
The argument of course could be that the 4pot has no power to create lag ::)
When i get my Monaro/VXR8 we will see who will have 3/4 of an engine :P ;D ;D :D
Or just that yours is a manual, which has different characteristics on gearchange ;) ;)
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;)
The argument of course could be that the 4pot has no power to create lag ::)
When i get my Monaro/VXR8 we will see who will have 3/4 of an engine :P ;D ;D :D
Or just that yours is a manual, which has different characteristics on gearchange ;) ;)
You mean a proper gearbox removes the fault? :-X :-X ;D
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You still faffin around getting that poxy V6 to run on gas? The joys of 4pot, simple install, no lag!
Even though your plenty tall enough to reach the stop, the pedal does have to be pressed to get the lag. Ie, somewhere above tick over. :P. ;)
The argument of course could be that the 4pot has no power to create lag ::)
When i get my Monaro/VXR8 we will see who will have 3/4 of an engine :P ;D ;D :D
Or just that yours is a manual, which has different characteristics on gearchange ;) ;)
You mean a proper gearbox removes the fault? :-X :-X ;D
I wouldn't refer to any omega manual box as proper... But of course it does as you control the injector timings with your right foot, and it's much slower to change than an auto, which cuts injector times to limit the torque on change ;) ;)
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thats why I always like a manual, as I control how fast/slow the change is, and most importantly it changes gear, when I want it to!
VXR8 manual with LPG? :D
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thats why I always like a manual, as I control how fast/slow the change is, and most importantly it changes gear, when I want it to!
VXR8 manual with LPG? :D
But the Omega manual box is horrible ::) ::)
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I like it, the throw is a little long, but I like fact can rest my arm on the arm rest in most gears.
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I like it, the throw is a little long, but I like fact can rest my arm on the arm rest in most gears.
There's an understatement!!!!!!
And as for resting your arm... Both Hands should be on the wheel ;) ;)
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I like it, the throw is a little long, but I like fact can rest my arm on the arm rest in most gears.
There's an understatement!!!!!!
And as for resting your arm... Both Hands should be on the wheel ;) ;)
Seconded. I would be trying to take some of the travel out of the stick, and remove some of the sponginess, if I had a manual Omega.
Then again, I'm used to the Westfield and the MX-5 which both have short throw and very little slack in the gearchange. A manual omega feels like stirring porridge in comparison. ;D
Kevin
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I'm another who doesn't like the omega manual box, despite preferring manual cars...
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maybe i'm just used to it now, I did prefer the much shorter shift in my old Mondeo. But i'd still have any manual over an auto!
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...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in.
Where is the leak, TB?
In the tank...
Just noticed that mine is leaking again - professional installs eh ? ::)
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...that he is trying to empty due to a leak. 15% full this morning, drive to work, check, 7% left. So went out at lunchtime, and after work gave it a very spirited ride home. When I get home, still running, although gauge needle hard against the endstop (marked 5%). Took it out for another blast for about 10m. Still running. Leave it idling on drive whilst I tech2 the MV6, and try to resolve a diagnostics problem with MV6. The Elite is still running.
Locked it up, gave up, walked in.
Where is the leak, TB?
In the tank...
Just noticed that mine is leaking again - professional installs eh ? ::)
Tank end or engine bay?
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Tank again. Wind the pipes in a bit tighter again I suppose ? ;D
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Tank again. Wind the pipes in a bit tighter again I suppose ? ;D
I find it a little concerning that they keep working loose :-?
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Oh I dunno, its been almost a year since last time....... :D
Might make sure no- one smokes in there for the next 9 days and then seek advice at the Essex meet ? ;)
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Oh I dunno, its been almost a year since last time....... :D
Might make sure no- one smokes in there for the next 9 days and then seek advice at the Essex meet ? ;)
Nip them up again ;) ;)
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OK,will do. :y
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I managed to run mine out at last. Going sideways between Silverstone and Wappenham >:(
Anyway, get it home, it kept switching back to petrol immediately on idle, so thats as empty as I could get it.
Undone the polyflex connection at the back, not even a hiss. Undone the valve from the tank (only in 3 turns :o), only a tiny hiss (and I mean tiny). So the pickup can't be far out ;D
Cleaned up threads, PTFE and liquid sealent, on 4 turns (couldn't get 5 - managed 4.5, but had to wind back half a turn). Leaving to fully cure until tomorrow night or Sat morning.
Fingers crossed.
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Hopefully that will sort it then :y :y
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Hopefully that will sort it then :y :y
Pop 5l in, bring home, then check for smell?
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Hopefully that will sort it then :y :y
Pop 5l in, bring home, then check for smell?
Hmm... Tricky one that. Id didn't start leaking until it was full before :-/ :-/ But I'd be wanting to start with less than a full tank this time ::) ::)
When you do fill it, keep an eye on the pump in case the shut off doesn't cut in like before ;) ;)
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Hopefully that will sort it then :y :y
Pop 5l in, bring home, then check for smell?
Hmm... Tricky one that. Id didn't start leaking until it was full before :-/ :-/ But I'd be wanting to start with less than a full tank this time ::) ::)
When you do fill it, keep an eye on the pump in case the shut off doesn't cut in like before ;) ;)
Tempted to put just a little in, check, then perhaps half fill it, check again, then fill to 70% on gauage, check, then let it run out again, and fill to full or 65l, and adjust tank as reqd
Sound like a superplan?
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Hopefully that will sort it then :y :y
Pop 5l in, bring home, then check for smell?
Hmm... Tricky one that. Id didn't start leaking until it was full before :-/ :-/ But I'd be wanting to start with less than a full tank this time ::) ::)
When you do fill it, keep an eye on the pump in case the shut off doesn't cut in like before ;) ;)
Tempted to put just a little in, check, then perhaps half fill it, check again, then fill to 70% on gauage, check, then let it run out again, and fill to full or 65l, and adjust tank as reqd
Sound like a superplan?
Sounds like the best plan you can really use ;)
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Got a can of gas leak detector spray ::) if it helps. Spray on, blows bubbles from the gas escaping. Probably the same as soapy water though. :-/
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Got a can of gas leak detector spray ::) if it helps. Spray on, blows bubbles from the gas escaping. Probably the same as soapy water though. :-/
It is soapy water ;) ;) ;)
Like I said, trouble is that it didn't leak until it was full and had been in there for 5 mins or so ::) ::)
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Got a can of gas leak detector spray ::) if it helps. Spray on, blows bubbles from the gas escaping. Probably the same as soapy water though. :-/
It is soapy water ;) ;) ;)
Like I said, trouble is that it didn't leak until it was full and had been in there for 5 mins or so ::) ::)
Aha, different apparently :-/ doesn't corrode or sumat. De ironized maybe. ..?
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Got a can of gas leak detector spray ::) if it helps. Spray on, blows bubbles from the gas escaping. Probably the same as soapy water though. :-/
It is soapy water ;) ;) ;)
Like I said, trouble is that it didn't leak until it was full and had been in there for 5 mins or so ::) ::)
Aha, different apparently :-/ doesn't corrode or sumat. De ironized maybe. ..?
I'd guess that it's oil based in some way :-/ :-/
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My can of gas leak detector from shitfix is, errr, shit
Back to nostrils for me
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My can of gas leak detector from shitfix is, errr, shit
Back to nostrils for me
As I said on Sunday... The best leak detector for LPG is the Mark 1 Nose and Ears ;) ;) ;D ;D
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are you sure the gas escaping is not from a certain curry? ::) ;D
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Popped 10l in the tank, no sign of leak in the gas tight box :D :D, so now need to add a bit more. Might pop it straight up to 65l.
The downside, is both Mrs TheBoy and I are convinced there is a leak from front end, we both reckon around the 1/3/5 bank, though it could be from vap/filters, anywhere really. Don't think its 2/4/6 bank. Can't seem to pinpoint further though - nothing seems to be visibly leaking, and the shitfix leak detector is as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit.
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The downside, is both Mrs TheBoy and I are convinced there is a leak from front end, we both reckon around the 1/3/5 bank, though it could be from vap/filters, anywhere really. Don't think its 2/4/6 bank. Can't seem to pinpoint further though - nothing seems to be visibly leaking, and the shitfix leak detector is as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit.
Really? I'd be very surprised if there is :o Certainly wasn't any sign of a leak on Sunday ;)
Sure you're not being a touch paranoid?
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The downside, is both Mrs TheBoy and I are convinced there is a leak from front end, we both reckon around the 1/3/5 bank, though it could be from vap/filters, anywhere really. Don't think its 2/4/6 bank. Can't seem to pinpoint further though - nothing seems to be visibly leaking, and the shitfix leak detector is as much use as a used johnny smeared in dogshit.
Really? I'd be very surprised if there is :o Certainly wasn't any sign of a leak on Sunday ;)
Sure you're not being a touch paranoid?
We both smelt it it bonnet open. Smell seems to go when on petrol, and I reckon return after a few seconds of running on *any* lpg injector, making me think:
liquid filter
evap
gas filters
injector blocks
hoses
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just cant pinpoint it though, other than it is defo 1/3/5
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After the faff with the tank valve I think I'd be looking around the liquid phase filter :-/ check the bowl on it hasn't worked a little loose with all the trial fit/re-fit, remove, fit again ;)
Can't see it being a vapour phase leak with how tight the hoses were
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After the faff with the tank valve I think I'd be looking around the liquid phase filter :-/ check the bowl on it hasn't worked a little loose with all the trial fit/re-fit, remove, fit again ;)
Can't see it being a vapour phase leak with how tight the hoses were
After having another sniff, I'm wondering about injector block.
LPG gas is heavier than air, isn't it (though with the heat in engine bay, who knows :-/)
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Would you see LPG vapout leaks? Or liquid leaks?
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Unlikey to be a big enough leak to be visible TBH. Injector block could be possible... The 1,3,5 block was fitted "out of the box" except for the nozzles... Perhaps the large inlet/blanking plug isn't sealing properly :-/
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I reckon it's injector block. Tightened nozzles, removed and refitted blank plug, loosened and retightened feed pipe. Still same.
Odour comes from that area as soon as switchover to gas
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I reckon it's injector block. Tightened nozzles, removed and refitted blank plug, loosened and retightened feed pipe. Still same.
Odour comes from that area as soon as switchover to gas
Strange... Definitely no leaks when we calibrated it last weekend... I checked all of the front end thoroughly after the leaking tank valve knocked my confidence a little :-[ :-[
Can only suggest a bit of very soapy water (instead of the crappy leak detector spray) around the joints and check the pipes (including the injector pipes) for any sign of a leak :-/ :-/
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I reckon it's injector block. Tightened nozzles, removed and refitted blank plug, loosened and retightened feed pipe. Still same.
Odour comes from that area as soon as switchover to gas
Don't know your system .. but could you unplug each gas injector in turn and see if it is just one feed from the injector to the head ??
I know this would cause a missfire on each in turn .. but might narrow the search down ???
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I reckon it's injector block. Tightened nozzles, removed and refitted blank plug, loosened and retightened feed pipe. Still same.
Odour comes from that area as soon as switchover to gas
Don't know your system .. but could you unplug each gas injector in turn and see if it is just one feed from the injector to the head ??
I know this would cause a missfire on each in turn .. but might narrow the search down ???
I expect the leak, and very small it must be, is in the feed to the injector block... I would expect there to be some misfire symptoms if it was after the injector :-/ :-/
Mind you... He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it ;) ;) If it does then we know that it's the injector pipes leaking, not the feed to the block :y
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
That's all he came for really.... :o :-X.
;D
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
So... What was leaking and have you fixed it?
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
That's all he came for really.... :o :-X.
;D
And the icecream ;D
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
That's all he came for really.... :o :-X.
;D
And the icecream ;D
He was round again today, stopped outside my house looking expectant and asking for you..... ;D. He was most disappointed. :'(
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
That's all he came for really.... :o :-X.
;D
And the icecream ;D
He was round again today, stopped outside my house looking expectant and asking for you..... ;D. He was most disappointed. :'(
My icecream man thinks I've died - 2 days running he's stopped at end of my drive, and I've resisted...
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He could use the software to switch off the injectors on that block to see if that eliminates it
Did that yesterday, keep up ;D
Went to see the popadom boy, and we swapped over the injector block.
Did it still leak?
Oh yes :'(
But then we had another fiddle and... ...no, I shouldn't say such things when GayBoyGixer is around ;D
That's all he came for really.... :o :-X.
;D
And the icecream ;D
He was round again today, stopped outside my house looking expectant and asking for you..... ;D. He was most disappointed. :'(
My icecream man thinks I've died - 2 days running he's stopped at end of my drive, and I've resisted...
Hmm. I think there's some raspberry ripple in the freezer. :P Back in a minute. ::)
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Bugger, can't get it booked in for certification until after the Easter and subsequent bank holiday periods.
Still, will give me time to sort out the calibration, thats currently sending the trims in a tizz
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Bugger, can't get it booked in for certification until after the Easter and subsequent bank holiday periods.
Still, will give me time to sort out the calibration, thats currently sending the trims in a tizz
vap pressure too far out?
...and how much does your cert cost?
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Bugger, can't get it booked in for certification until after the Easter and subsequent bank holiday periods.
Still, will give me time to sort out the calibration, thats currently sending the trims in a tizz
vap pressure too far out?
...and how much does your cert cost?
It had crept up to 1.2, I've dragged it back down to 1.06 now.