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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 03 May 2011, 21:43:44
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Seems like last week, but its been nearly a month since 'we' started converting That Bloody Elite to LPG.
Its running really well now, seemingly no loss of power, no lag at high RPM gearchanges like the MV6 suffers, nice and quiet.
It clocked over 59k today :o
Its not been without its teething problems - we've had leaks on the valveset and a leak at the front end, and I've had an oddity with one of the solenoids early on. I still need to retweak the tank yet again, and recalibrate the gauge. Also need to fit a replacement interior trim that got damaged when we did the conversion.
Just need to sort out the suspension issues, then TBE and I will have to learn to like each other.
So thanks to Lazydocker and to chrisgixer for their help in getting this far :y
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Bah, you love it really. :y
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Bah, you love it really. :y
The poor MV6 hasn't been used for a couple of weeks, so I took it for a blast this evening.... ....and completely fell in love with it again ;D
TBE is more refined, but the MV6 is far more fun, though I really need to sort those rear bushes ::)
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Bah, you love it really. :y
The poor MV6 hasn't been used for a couple of weeks, so I took it for a blast this evening.... ....and completely fell in love with it again ;D
TBE is more refined, but the MV6 is far more fun, though I really need to sort those rear bushes ::)
Aye? Oh the dif ones? They are easy, 3 bolts each.
Need a source though. :-/
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Bah, you love it really. :y
The poor MV6 hasn't been used for a couple of weeks, so I took it for a blast this evening.... ....and completely fell in love with it again ;D
TBE is more refined, but the MV6 is far more fun, though I really need to sort those rear bushes ::)
Aye? Oh the dif ones? They are easy, 3 bolts each.
Need a source though. :-/
A certain Hornby enthusiast may have a set (2nd hand I think, but he says in good nick), *if* I can manage to get to Nottingham at the same time he is there ;D - I got caught by the 'model' enthusiasts last time I went there... ...they are a sad lot ;D
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Glad to hear it's going well now... Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
But it's good to hear it's running well and that we finally seem to have eliminated the annoying lag that has plagued most of the previous conversions :y :y
Might be another one to do soon :-X :-X ::) ::)
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Glad to hear it's going well now... Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
;D
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Glad to hear it's going well now... Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
;D
Thought that might get a snigger :D :D
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Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
I'm gonna kill you. Then, just to make sure, I'll kill you again.
Glad to hear it's going well now... Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
;D
And you.
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Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
I'm gonna kill you. Then, just to make sure, I'll kill you again.
Glad to hear it's going well now... Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
;D
And you.
Ooops... Think we rattled a cage there :-X :-X :P :P :D :D
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Might be another one to do soon :-X :-X ::) ::)
One? By my calculations, 2, possibly 3 :-X
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Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
I'm gonna kill you. Then, just to make sure, I'll kill you again.
Glad to hear it's going well now... Not that I'm that worried ::) ::) [size=18]It's not my car!!![/size] ;D ;D ;D
;D
And you.
Ooops... Think we rattled a cage there :-X :-X :P :P :D :D
I will have my chance of revenge... ...possibly with both of you :-X
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Might be another one to do soon :-X :-X ::) ::)
One? By my calculations, 2, possibly 3 :-X
Gayboy Gixer's doing his own isn't he? So I calculate 1, perhaps 2 ;) Although I suppose he might want a hand ;D
Just make sure we don't let you loose on the wiring... It takes too long :-X :P ;D
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Might be another one to do soon :-X :-X ::) ::)
One? By my calculations, 2, possibly 3 :-X
Gayboy Gixer's doing his own isn't he? So I calculate 1, perhaps 2 ;) Although I suppose he might want a hand ;D
Just make sure we don't let you loose on the wiring... It takes too long :-X :P ;D
Or near the intakes - I owe him a bag of gravel.... ;D
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For the benefit of others not present, I thought, when we LPG'd TBE, it would be a really good idea to basically put the large GM injector rail to loom plugs on the LPG wiring to make it neater.
It has worked, and it is neater, but would I do that again?
No - its not worth the extra effort*. Its tight and messing under the plenum using the loom as provided by Teilo, but its hidden, and its simple.
*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
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Might be another one to do soon :-X :-X ::) ::)
One? By my calculations, 2, possibly 3 :-X
Gayboy Gixer's doing his own isn't he? So I calculate 1, perhaps 2 ;) Although I suppose he might want a hand ;D
Just make sure we don't let you loose on the wiring... It takes too long :-X :P ;D
Just give him a tin of silver hammerite and he's happy ::) ;D
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*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
Mind you, there's still enough slack in the loom (without extending it) to move it out of the way when you do the cam belt... I know, because that's how mine is done and I've already done a belt change on it ;) ;)
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For the benefit of others not present, I thought, when we LPG'd TBE, it would be a really good idea to basically put the large GM injector rail to loom plugs on the LPG wiring to make it neater.
It has worked, and it is neater, but would I do that again?
No - its not worth the extra effort*. Its tight and messing under the plenum using the loom as provided by Teilo, but its hidden, and its simple.
*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
So the LPG loom doesn't reach round the rear of the plenum to the multiway plug?
Hmm. Revisit mounting it in the pollen filter box next time? (especially as the newer ECUs are a bit smaller).
I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
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For the benefit of others not present, I thought, when we LPG'd TBE, it would be a really good idea to basically put the large GM injector rail to loom plugs on the LPG wiring to make it neater.
It has worked, and it is neater, but would I do that again?
No - its not worth the extra effort*. Its tight and messing under the plenum using the loom as provided by Teilo, but its hidden, and its simple.
*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
So the LPG loom doesn't reach round the rear of the plenum to the multiway plug?
Hmm. Revisit mounting it in the pollen filter box next time? (especially as the newer ECUs are a bit smaller).
I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
300+ ECU is identical in size to the ones we have anyway ;) I don't like the idea of it being in the Pollen Filter area purely as it feels like a bodge ::) But there has to be a better place to mount it than where we're currently going :-/ :-/ I still can't see how James managed to get it into the ECU box... It simply doesn't look possible :-/
Must admit, the way it was done on TBE does look neat and tidy and there's no reason why it couldn't have been done well in advance (it's only the LPG Loom that needs work on after all), which would have made it a very quick installation :y I might be tempted to do it like that again, but only if it were done in advance ;)
But, at the end of the day, the 2 sets that go to the LPG injectors had to run up the trumpets IIRC
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
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Though in my defence, I did have to tolerate the 2 batty boys constantly jibing me ;D
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Though in my defence, I did have to tolerate the 2 batty boys constantly jibing me ;D
Which you loved ;D ;D
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
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The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
There isn't a common ground in the injector piggy-back wiring, is there? They're low-side switched. :-/
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The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
There isn't a common ground in the injector piggy-back wiring, is there? They're low-side switched. :-/
Not sure about that... I thought they switched on a +ve signal :-/ Anyway, the head scratcher was that the piggy backs just had a short (8" or so) link between the 2 plugs, which is fine because it doesn't change... But when fitting the Vx Loom it got a bit confusing to start with ::) ::)
All worked out good in the end though :y :y
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Not sure about that... I thought they switched on a +ve signal :-/ Anyway, the head scratcher was that the piggy backs just had a short (8" or so) link between the 2 plugs, which is fine because it doesn't change... But when fitting the Vx Loom it got a bit confusing to start with ::) ::)
All worked out good in the end though :y :y
Ahh, Ok. Yes, the black wires just loop through the piggy back and don't go anywhere else.
The petrol injectors have a common +12V feed from the main relay in the ECU box, and the ECU drags the other side of the injector down to 0V to open the injector. :y
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
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That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
I'm not so sure. :-/
The only assumption is which pin on the injector plug is the common, and the user guide does state that it may be necessary to swap this over.
I don't think the LPG ECU cares if the high or low side of the injector is looped through it (as long as it's the switched side), because it either just connects the two together (on petrol) or watches the behaviour and decides if the signal is inverted or not (on LPG).
Kevin
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That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
I'm not so sure. :-/
The only assumption is which pin on the injector plug is the common, and the user guide does state that it may be necessary to swap this over.
I don't think the LPG ECU cares if the high or low side of the injector is looped through it (as long as it's the switched side), because it either just connects the two together (on petrol) or watches the behaviour and decides if the signal is inverted or not (on LPG).
Kevin
But the LPG ECU doesn't just copy the petrol one, it massages the duration - so surely it needs to know?
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
We did with yours... Any future ones we know to add in about 28" of loom in total if mounting the ECU in the same place ;) ;)
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That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
I'm not so sure. :-/
The only assumption is which pin on the injector plug is the common, and the user guide does state that it may be necessary to swap this over.
I don't think the LPG ECU cares if the high or low side of the injector is looped through it (as long as it's the switched side), because it either just connects the two together (on petrol) or watches the behaviour and decides if the signal is inverted or not (on LPG).
Kevin
But the LPG ECU doesn't just copy the petrol one, it massages the duration - so surely it needs to know?
There's a check box in the software to tell the ECU which signal is switched ;) ;)
Oh... And Kev's right... Switched by the ground ;)
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But the LPG ECU doesn't just copy the petrol one, it massages the duration - so surely it needs to know?
I guess it looks at the first few pulses and decides if the signal is active high or active low and thereafter measures the pulse duration accordingly to calculate the LPG duration.
There may even be a setting in the ECU to change it manually and the default has just always worked for an Omega. I can't remember. :-/
Kevin
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For the benefit of others not present, I thought, when we LPG'd TBE, it would be a really good idea to basically put the large GM injector rail to loom plugs on the LPG wiring to make it neater.
It has worked, and it is neater, but would I do that again?
No - its not worth the extra effort*. Its tight and messing under the plenum using the loom as provided by Teilo, but its hidden, and its simple.
*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
So the LPG loom doesn't reach round the rear of the plenum to the multiway plug?
Hmm. Revisit mounting it in the pollen filter box next time? (especially as the newer ECUs are a bit smaller).
I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
300+ ECU is identical in size to the ones we have anyway ;) I don't like the idea of it being in the Pollen Filter area purely as it feels like a bodge ::) But there has to be a better place to mount it than where we're currently going :-/ :-/ I still can't see how James managed to get it into the ECU box... It simply doesn't look possible :-/
Must admit, the way it was done on TBE does look neat and tidy and there's no reason why it couldn't have been done well in advance (it's only the LPG Loom that needs work on after all), which would have made it a very quick installation :y I might be tempted to do it like that again, but only if it were done in advance ;)
But, at the end of the day, the 2 sets that go to the LPG injectors had to run up the trumpets IIRC
5 years there still working, better than the air box I think
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
No problem here using the piggy back plugs
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For the benefit of others not present, I thought, when we LPG'd TBE, it would be a really good idea to basically put the large GM injector rail to loom plugs on the LPG wiring to make it neater.
It has worked, and it is neater, but would I do that again?
No - its not worth the extra effort*. Its tight and messing under the plenum using the loom as provided by Teilo, but its hidden, and its simple.
*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
So the LPG loom doesn't reach round the rear of the plenum to the multiway plug?
Hmm. Revisit mounting it in the pollen filter box next time? (especially as the newer ECUs are a bit smaller).
I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
300+ ECU is identical in size to the ones we have anyway ;) I don't like the idea of it being in the Pollen Filter area purely as it feels like a bodge ::) But there has to be a better place to mount it than where we're currently going :-/ :-/ I still can't see how James managed to get it into the ECU box... It simply doesn't look possible :-/
Must admit, the way it was done on TBE does look neat and tidy and there's no reason why it couldn't have been done well in advance (it's only the LPG Loom that needs work on after all), which would have made it a very quick installation :y I might be tempted to do it like that again, but only if it were done in advance ;)
But, at the end of the day, the 2 sets that go to the LPG injectors had to run up the trumpets IIRC
5 years there still working, better than the air box I think
Far better than the Air Box, but we normally mount it under the front wing along side the S/L Suspension Pump ;) ;)
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
No problem here using the piggy back plugs
Agreed... No problem with the Piggy Back Connectors at all! But the way we did TBE does make it really tidy :y :y
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For the benefit of others not present, I thought, when we LPG'd TBE, it would be a really good idea to basically put the large GM injector rail to loom plugs on the LPG wiring to make it neater.
It has worked, and it is neater, but would I do that again?
No - its not worth the extra effort*. Its tight and messing under the plenum using the loom as provided by Teilo, but its hidden, and its simple.
*I wasn't going to bother, but with my ECU location, the only way to get the LPG loom to reach without extending was to go under the TB's, which I wasn't hugely happy with - esp was it will need a cambelt later this year or early next. So as I would have to extend loom anyway to allow entry from the rear of the inlet manifold, I stuck to Plan A
So the LPG loom doesn't reach round the rear of the plenum to the multiway plug?
Hmm. Revisit mounting it in the pollen filter box next time? (especially as the newer ECUs are a bit smaller).
I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
300+ ECU is identical in size to the ones we have anyway ;) I don't like the idea of it being in the Pollen Filter area purely as it feels like a bodge ::) But there has to be a better place to mount it than where we're currently going :-/ :-/ I still can't see how James managed to get it into the ECU box... It simply doesn't look possible :-/
Must admit, the way it was done on TBE does look neat and tidy and there's no reason why it couldn't have been done well in advance (it's only the LPG Loom that needs work on after all), which would have made it a very quick installation :y I might be tempted to do it like that again, but only if it were done in advance ;)
But, at the end of the day, the 2 sets that go to the LPG injectors had to run up the trumpets IIRC
5 years there still working, better than the air box I think
Far better than the Air Box, but we normally mount it under the front wing along side the S/L Suspension Pump ;) ;)
It was not an obvious place and I reckon some of the floods we have had would have killed it.
Easy to get at the wiring as well
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
No problem here using the piggy back plugs
Agreed... No problem with the Piggy Back Connectors at all! But the way we did TBE does make it really tidy :y :y
No spare car, needed to keep it mobile all the time.
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It was not an obvious place and I reckon some of the floods we have had would have killed it.
Easy to get at the wiring as well
I don't know about your system but I was slightly concerned about this until I spoke to the supplier. He demo's the system with the ECU in a bucket of water at some shows :o :o And said if the ECU failed due to water damage at any point he would replace it FOC :y :y
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
No problem here using the piggy back plugs
Agreed... No problem with the Piggy Back Connectors at all! But the way we did TBE does make it really tidy :y :y
No spare car, needed to keep it mobile all the time.
Thats the beauty of the TBE method - if ever the lpg ecu does cause issues, its easy to remove it from the circuit with minimal tools (might just need scuttle lifted slightly
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
We did with yours... Any future ones we know to add in about 28" of loom in total if mounting the ECU in the same place ;) ;)
I dont think it was that much was it :o
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
We did with yours... Any future ones we know to add in about 28" of loom in total if mounting the ECU in the same place ;) ;)
I dont think it was that much was it :o
Do you know what... I started with 18" and kept changing my mind :D :D
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I guess what I was trying to say in original post is that the current v6 kit from Lazydocker's supplier, with a 4 hole tank, is the best LPG I've driven to date in an Omega.
If you are considering DIY LPG'ing your V6 Omega, this is the ECU/Injector/Evap/tank option I would recommend. Well worth it, IMHO, and I reckon payback for the kit costs will be in the region of 7000 miles for me, but I'm sure I'll share running costs with everyone soon :y
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
We did with yours... Any future ones we know to add in about 28" of loom in total if mounting the ECU in the same place ;) ;)
I dont think it was that much was it :o
Do you know what... I started with 18" and kept changing my mind :D :D
I reckon that was nearer ;)
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I guess what I was trying to say in original post is that the current v6 kit from Lazydocker's supplier, with a 4 hole tank, is the best LPG I've driven to date in an Omega.
If you are considering DIY LPG'ing your V6 Omega, this is the ECU/Injector/Evap/tank option I would recommend. Well worth it, IMHO, and I reckon payback for the kit costs will be in the region of 7000 miles for me, but I'm sure I'll share running costs with everyone soon :y
I'm inclined to agree with you :y
And, interestingly, 7000 miles is around what I calculated the payback to be on mine when I fitted it 21/2 years ago :y
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
We did with yours... Any future ones we know to add in about 28" of loom in total if mounting the ECU in the same place ;) ;)
I dont think it was that much was it :o
Do you know what... I started with 18" and kept changing my mind :D :D
I like the 'neat and tidy' sound of this.
Thoughts on the worth of aquiring relevant chunks of suitable loom from scrapper bound breakers from on here? And other suitable bits and bobs, such as manifolds, assorted brackets etc? Possible list in the making?? :-/
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I guess what I was trying to say in original post is that the current v6 kit from Lazydocker's supplier, with a 4 hole tank, is the best LPG I've driven to date in an Omega.
If you are considering DIY LPG'ing your V6 Omega, this is the ECU/Injector/Evap/tank option I would recommend. Well worth it, IMHO, and I reckon payback for the kit costs will be in the region of 7000 miles for me, but I'm sure I'll share running costs with everyone soon :y
I'm inclined to agree with you :y
And, interestingly, 7000 miles is around what I calculated the payback to be on mine when I fitted it 21/2 years ago :y
The MV6 worked out about 6000miles, kit was same-ish price, I secretly hope TBE will be 6k, but was being cautious...
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Soldering all those connections just seemed to take forever by the time the right wires were found in the garage, soldered, and heatshrunk. What I envisaged would take an hour at most took several times that :-[
Like I say, if it's done in advance I think it's probably the way forwards ;) It's something which could easily be done while sat in front of the telly in preparation for the installation... I might even go down that route myself if I do another conversion :y
The real head scratcher was the common ground feed though... That did cause a little concern for a while until we realised what was going on ::) ;D
But you need to mount ECU first, and start fitting the loom to get the length right. But I agree, once you have measured length, then do it on a proper desk (which would have made life easier/quicker.
That common really confused me, still does to an extent, as AC have made a heck of an assumption :o
We did with yours... Any future ones we know to add in about 28" of loom in total if mounting the ECU in the same place ;) ;)
I dont think it was that much was it :o
Do you know what... I started with 18" and kept changing my mind :D :D
I like the 'neat and tidy' sound of this.
Thoughts on the worth of aquiring relevant chunks of suitable loom from scrapper bound breakers from on here? And other suitable bits and bobs, such as manifolds, assorted brackets etc? Possible list in the making?? :-/
My bit of loom was supplied by EP, but you'll need even those bits extending due to still nit quite being long enough.
Kevin Wood was some 2.5 and 3.0 manifolds, believe they are same as 2.6/3.2
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I like the 'neat and tidy' sound of this.
Thoughts on the worth of aquiring relevant chunks of suitable loom from scrapper bound breakers from on here? And other suitable bits and bobs, such as manifolds, assorted brackets etc? Possible list in the making?? :-/
As TB says, Kevin already has a selection of manifolds, the 3.0 and 3.2 are certainly the same, and you just swap your injectors onto it :y
Loom wise... If whoever cuts them off could get 12" either side it would be ideal but I don't think there's quite enough slack :-/
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I like the 'neat and tidy' sound of this.
Thoughts on the worth of aquiring relevant chunks of suitable loom from scrapper bound breakers from on here? And other suitable bits and bobs, such as manifolds, assorted brackets etc? Possible list in the making?? :-/
As TB says, Kevin already has a selection of manifolds, the 3.0 and 3.2 are certainly the same, and you just swap your injectors onto it :y
Loom wise... If whoever cuts them off could get 12" either side it would be ideal but I don't think there's quite enough slack :-/
Given that the doner car would be getting weiged in anyway, is it possible to root out backwards up the loom, either side of where the spur loom thats required, joins in? Thinking slaughtering the sheath on the main loom.
*caveat* Not looked to see whats weere in the loom, just making wild guesses, sight unseen... :y
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I like the 'neat and tidy' sound of this.
Thoughts on the worth of aquiring relevant chunks of suitable loom from scrapper bound breakers from on here? And other suitable bits and bobs, such as manifolds, assorted brackets etc? Possible list in the making?? :-/
As TB says, Kevin already has a selection of manifolds, the 3.0 and 3.2 are certainly the same, and you just swap your injectors onto it :y
Loom wise... If whoever cuts them off could get 12" either side it would be ideal but I don't think there's quite enough slack :-/
Given that the doner car would be getting weiged in anyway, is it possible to root out backwards up the loom, either side of where the spur loom thats required, joins in? Thinking slaughtering the sheath on the main loom.
*caveat* Not looked to see whats weere in the loom, just making wild guesses, sight unseen... :y
The side that would sit in the inlet manifold certainly wouldn;t be longer enough...
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
No problem here using the piggy back plugs
Agreed... No problem with the Piggy Back Connectors at all! But the way we did TBE does make it really tidy :y :y
As we have all junked our power sounders (I hope!) is there not enough space for the ECU in there?
Next location I could think of would be inside the car above the pedal box but I guesd you'd have to make a large hole through the bulkhead to get the connector through or cut the connector and push the loom through and solder it back on.....
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My ECU now lives under the airbox, just sat on top of the chassis rail. Far from ideal but better than where it was before.
I hope at some point to take the lot off and install it in a nice tidy fashion. Should have had a look at some othersat the Essex meet, to steal some ideas, but didnt think about it at the time. ::)
And H21 has just given me the idea of keeping some engine bay wiring loom from Blackie the breaker for project lpg tidy up. :)
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I have a plan for tidying mine up when the cambelt is due (in 5k). It involves a multi-way plug on the front of the injector loom under the plenum so the LPG loom can just be unplugged and moved aside.
Kevin
May as well do as I have, if you're soldering wires anyway...
How did you do it, then? I read it that you reverted to cramming the piggy-back connectors in?
Nope... He took all day putting the VX Loom Plugs onto the LPG Loom (and extending it) :-X ::) ;D
I should add... It's neat and tidy and has real potential, but needs doing in advance, not during the installation for it to be a viable option IMO :y
No problem here using the piggy back plugs
Agreed... No problem with the Piggy Back Connectors at all! But the way we did TBE does make it really tidy :y :y
As we have all junked our power sounders (I hope!) is there not enough space for the ECU in there?
Next location I could think of would be inside the car above the pedal box but I guesd you'd have to make a large hole through the bulkhead to get the connector through or cut the connector and push the loom through and solder it back on.....
Hmmm, strokes chin and ponders...
Think I looked at other locations and concluded, given my pathetic electrics skills, that the front wing was best given the lengths of various loom wires, reaching the battery, fitting the large connector plug through various holes etc etc. But that's not say wires couldn't be extended of course, not that I'd bother me arse with all that.Christ he took for ever rather about with that loom. ::). ;D
Anyway, can't remember if I looked at the power sounder side of scuttle, but it would mean all the injector wiring could go in the back of the plenum, rather than the front under throttle body like I did on my old car last time.... And what's the maximum length of hose allowed from injector block to manifold nozels?.... Although hbv might spray everything with coolant.... Nah, ignore me.... Hmmm...strokes chin and ponders
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
Think I might have over stayed my welcome there. :-/ ;D
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
Think I might have over stayed my welcome there. :-/ ;D
;D ;D ;D Anyway, back to your serious questions ;)
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And what's the maximum length of hose allowed from injector block to manifold nozels?
I thought it was the shorter the better?
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And what's the maximum length of hose allowed from injector block to manifold nozels?
I thought it was the shorter the better?
It is IMO, although AFAIK the main requirement is for all of them to be the same length. You can make them different lengths but have to fiddle with the setup to confuse the ECU and it just adds another potential pitfall.
As far as I'm concerned, we now have a setup that works and I wouldn't advise changing that setup ;) :y
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And what's the maximum length of hose allowed from injector block to manifold nozels?
I thought it was the shorter the better?
It is IMO, although AFAIK the main requirement is for all of them to be the same length. You can make them different lengths but have to fiddle with the setup to confuse the ECU and it just adds another potential pitfall.
As far as I'm concerned, we now have a setup that works and I wouldn't advise changing that setup ;) :y
Yeah, just thinking aloud tbh, as I still have mine to do obviously, also there's a balance to be had of ease of instal, and bothering ones arse.
Might get the loom out later and look at stuff* for position, rather than effect, I don't fully understand all that set up business yet anyway tbh.
* and probably come up with the exact same as the last install. :-/ ;D
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And what's the maximum length of hose allowed from injector block to manifold nozels?
I thought it was the shorter the better?
It is IMO, although AFAIK the main requirement is for all of them to be the same length. You can make them different lengths but have to fiddle with the setup to confuse the ECU and it just adds another potential pitfall.
As far as I'm concerned, we now have a setup that works and I wouldn't advise changing that setup ;) :y
Yeah, just thinking aloud tbh, as I still have mine to do obviously, also there's a balance to be had of ease of instal, and bothering ones arse.
Might get the loom out later and look at stuff* for position, rather than effect, I don't fully understand all that set up business yet anyway tbh.
* and probably come up with the exact same as the last install. :-/ ;D
Which is tried and tested and works ;) ;)
I like the idea of changing the loom as on TBE and may well go down that route if/when I do another one... But the loom work will be done in advance :y
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
Think I might have over stayed my welcome there. :-/ ;D
Happy to build up looms as required :y
Besides, I'm watching this thread with interest as need to think about LPGing my 3.2
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
Think I might have over stayed my welcome there. :-/ ;D
Happy to build up looms as required :y
Besides, I'm watching this thread with interest as need to think about LPGing my 3.2
Well if your sure... ;) not certain fitting two sets of rear bushes covers all that agro, maybe some beer as well, and a fruit based drink for the lady?
Anyway back on track, went to Tinley Tech today to try a 70 litre donut (collective sigh) in my upright saloon wheel well. Nope doesn't fit. Trouble is I reckon it could be made to fit(by hammering in the back of the well, and removing a section of upright) but it's a gamble.... The top hits the boot opening and won't tip in, plus this one has mounting points at the bottom to further complicate things. Arse!
Had to remove the Bose shelf in the car park so the back of the car is in bits ATM ;D not to mention it's(tank) bloody single hole. :'(
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
Think I might have over stayed my welcome there. :-/ ;D
Happy to build up looms as required :y
Besides, I'm watching this thread with interest as need to think about LPGing my 3.2
Well if your sure... ;) not certain fitting two sets of rear bushes covers all that agro, maybe some beer as well, and a fruit based drink for the lady?
Anyway back on track, went to Tinley Tech today to try a 70 litre donut (collective sigh) in my upright saloon wheel well. Nope doesn't fit. Trouble is I reckon it could be made to fit(by hammering in the back of the well, and removing a section of upright) but it's a gamble.... The top hits the boot opening and won't tip in, plus this one has mounting points at the bottom to further complicate things. Arse!
Had to remove the Bose shelf in the car park so the back of the car is in bits ATM ;D not to mention it's(tank) bloody single hole. :'(
Just go down the tried and tested, 80L, 4-hole Cylinder tank ;) ;) :y :y
I might have to pop over to Tinley to try out a Toroidal tank too, except mile will be a 4-hole version ;) :-X :-X :-X
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Surely you'd just sub the loom building out to your regular loom builder, Chris? (Unless he's stopped talking to you after the telematics loom) ;D
Think I might have over stayed my welcome there. :-/ ;D
Happy to build up looms as required :y
Besides, I'm watching this thread with interest as need to think about LPGing my 3.2
Well if your sure... ;) not certain fitting two sets of rear bushes covers all that agro, maybe some beer as well, and a fruit based drink for the lady?
Anyway back on track, went to Tinley Tech today to try a 70 litre donut (collective sigh) in my upright saloon wheel well. Nope doesn't fit. Trouble is I reckon it could be made to fit(by hammering in the back of the well, and removing a section of upright) but it's a gamble.... The top hits the boot opening and won't tip in, plus this one has mounting points at the bottom to further complicate things. Arse!
Had to remove the Bose shelf in the car park so the back of the car is in bits ATM ;D not to mention it's(tank) bloody single hole. :'(
Just go down the tried and tested, 80L, 4-hole Cylinder tank ;) ;) :y :y
I might have to pop over to Tinley to try out a Toroidal tank too, except mile will be a 4-hole version ;) :-X :-X :-X
Your right of course... But the through space... :'(
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:-/ :-X
http://autogas-lpg.co.uk/-toroidal-tanks/108-bormech-630mm-270mm-67literes.html
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:-/ :-X
http://autogas-lpg.co.uk/-toroidal-tanks/108-bormech-630mm-270mm-67literes.html
Good price, but all single hole ::)
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:-/ :-X
http://autogas-lpg.co.uk/-toroidal-tanks/108-bormech-630mm-270mm-67literes.html
Good price, but all single hole ::)
Yeah, they don't make vertical 4 hole for some reason. >:( :'(
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Gixerboy, lose the Bose shelf, at least you then have some through space
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Gixerboy, lose the Bose shelf, at least you then have some through space
It's going this weekend, in fact it's only hanging on by the clips as we speak, how much do I need to extend the speaker wires by or rather, how much cable do I need? I take it house hold flex for the oven is a bit ott..? :D
Hopefully I cam get the blind working as well. I do like the blind. :)
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Gixerboy, lose the Bose shelf, at least you then have some through space
It's going this weekend, in fact it's only hanging on by the clips as we speak, how much do I need to extend the speaker wires by or rather, how much cable do I need? I take it house hold flex for the oven is a bit ott..? :D
Hopefully I cam get the blind working as well. I do like the blind. :)
I used proper speaker wire from craplin, seem to recall 6m was way too much, but what the heck ;D
If you're bored or want a hand, I'm around all day tomorrow
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TBE is now on the UKLPG register :D
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TBE is now on the UKLPG register :D
Don't forget to update the logbook at DVLA for your discount on RFL :y :y :y
I assume that means he was completely happy with it? I might need his details in the not too distant future :-X ::)
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I assume that means he was completely happy with it? I might need his details in the not too distant future :-X ::)
Thinking that myself, TBH. Might be worth the journey for someone who's clearly not too much of a jobsworth when it comes to DIY installs. :-/
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I assume that means he was completely happy with it? I might need his details in the not too distant future :-X ::)
Thinking that myself, TBH. Might be worth the journey for someone who's clearly not too much of a jobsworth when it comes to DIY installs. :-/
+3 here, think TB said it was around £95 to get it certified :o
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TBE is now on the UKLPG register :D
Don't forget to update the logbook at DVLA for your discount on RFL :y :y :y
I assume that means he was completely happy with it? I might need his details in the not too distant future :-X ::)
Already posted to DVLA ;)
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I assume that means he was completely happy with it? I might need his details in the not too distant future :-X ::)
Thinking that myself, TBH. Might be worth the journey for someone who's clearly not too much of a jobsworth when it comes to DIY installs. :-/
+3 here, think TB said it was around £95 to get it certified :o
Little bit more now :'(, but a necessary evil to be on the register...
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I assume that means he was completely happy with it? I might need his details in the not too distant future :-X ::)
Thinking that myself, TBH. Might be worth the journey for someone who's clearly not too much of a jobsworth when it comes to DIY installs. :-/
+3 here, think TB said it was around £95 to get it certified :o
Little bit more now :'(, but a necessary evil to be on the register...
There are places that charge considerably more though ;) ;)
I'll be chatting to Teilo in the next few days ::) so I'll ask him how far away he is from being able to inspect and add to register... I reckon he'll do it cheaper than £95 for us, although he is on the South Coast
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There are places that charge considerably more though ;) ;)
I'll be chatting to Teilo in the next few days ::) so I'll ask him how far away he is from being able to inspect and add to register... I reckon he'll do it cheaper than £95 for us, although he is on the South Coast
I'd be interested in knowing the outcome. :y
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There are places that charge considerably more though ;) ;)
I'll be chatting to Teilo in the next few days ::) so I'll ask him how far away he is from being able to inspect and add to register... I reckon he'll do it cheaper than £95 for us, although he is on the South Coast
I'd be interested in knowing the outcome. :y
Me too :y
Bulk discount if a load of us turn up on one day? :D
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There are places that charge considerably more though ;) ;)
I'll be chatting to Teilo in the next few days ::) so I'll ask him how far away he is from being able to inspect and add to register... I reckon he'll do it cheaper than £95 for us, although he is on the South Coast
I'd be interested in knowing the outcome. :y
Just don't hold your breath! ::) ::)