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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tomoco on 08 May 2011, 00:43:07
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im thinking of buying a none running omega but its in coventry. I'm in Leicester. Anyone on here own/ have access to a trailer big enough for the complete car. Or can anyone recommend a company around Cov/Leicester that could collect it for me.
What sort of costs would be involved? will have to take this into account when we agree a final price for the car.
thanks in advance
Mark :y
P.S. i dont have a towbar on my miggy so i would need someone to use there car/van too
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I don't have a trailer, but have a towbar on my mig.
If you find a trailer but still need a driver, drop me a line! :y
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
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Doh, I forgot that! :-[
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i have a towing dolly
but if its auto you would have to remove propshaft.
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Just a thought, but, if you are in the AA or RAC, couldnt you get them to tow it for free?
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Well thats me safe then, passed in the 80's! ::)
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Regardless of the legalities I'd be very reluctant to tow an Omega plus trailer!!
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Pro-driver based in wigston, give them a ring for price they have a web site,
:y :y :y :y :y :y
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I'll be in Leics next Saturday visiting my daughter, if you can find a trailer then I'll quite happily take your Omega wherever you want.
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!
With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)
The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.
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This is for an MV6 3.0ltr
Unbraked Towing Weight 750 kg
Braked Towing Weight 1850 kg
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!
With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)
The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.
No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples :y
The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! :y
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!
With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)
The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.
No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples :y
The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! :y
Mam values, as you call them, are guidelines not law, It is not illegal to tow a trailer of up to 3500kg gross weight with an Omega with the correct license.
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!
With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)
The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.
No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples :y
The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! :y
Mam values, as you call them, are guidelines not law, It is not illegal to tow a trailer of up to 3500kg gross weight with an Omega with the correct license.
Tell it to the judge! :y
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Pretty certain if you exceed the manufacturer's maximum for loading or towing, and you get a pull, you will be up a smelly inlet, missing your oar....
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It has been well documented in the past that trailering an omega with another omega is illegal due to the MAM. It is also potentially dangerous again due to the weight.
As long as it is taxed you can consider a ridgid bar or A frame (which the jury is out on over that one) I brought goldie back from bristol to farnborough on a ridgid bar :y
It might not be advisable, but it is not actually illegal as long as the trailer does not exceed 3500 kg gross weight.
and you passed your driving test before 1997.
Are you sure? I think you're getting a bit confused there. If you passed your test by 31/12/97 you'll also have b+e (car and trailer) which means you can drive a car up to 3500kgs and a trailer bigger than 750 kgs. However the amount you can tow is still further restricted when calculating mam values. So as guffer said it's illegal and there's no wag I'd do it!
With all due respect, I think it you that is getting a little confused,
'B+E allows towing a trailer not exceeding 3,500kg MAM (combined weight of the trailer and it's load)
The weight of the towing Vehicle does not come into it.
No, it is you who is getting confused. Check your mam values and you will see you can't tow a mig with a mig. Simples :y
The weight of the towing vehicle does come into it, otherise we'd all be driving artics on car licenses! :y
Mam values, as you call them, are guidelines not law, It is not illegal to tow a trailer of up to 3500kg gross weight with an Omega with the correct license.
Tell it to the judge! :y
Seeing as the recommended max. braked towing weight for a 3.0ltr is only 1850Kg it would be foolhardy to say the least
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Pretty certain if you exceed the manufacturer's maximum for loading or towing, and you get a pull, you will be up a smelly inlet, missing your oar....
Yep. Maximum train weight for an Omega is around 4000 Kg for my MV6 (on the plate in the driver's door frame). At the end of the day the combination cannot weigh more than that. The Police could well escort you to a weighbridge and check.
Manufacturer's towing weight, as said, varies from 1700-1850 depending on model.
Even if there were a loophole to exceed this what do you think your insurers or an expert witness called by the courts would say if you were towing 3500 kg and got yourself into trouble?
Kevin
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What a shame I was in Leicester yesterday and if it was a manual I'd have put it on the A frame and dragged it up for you.....
Hope you get it sorted, if you have any of these blokes with a car transporter around you may find they are fairly reasonable because they would do it for cash (nudge,nudge)!
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Pretty certain if you exceed the manufacturer's maximum for loading or towing, and you get a pull, you will be up a smelly inlet, missing your oar....
Yep. Maximum train weight for an Omega is around 4000 Kg for my MV6 (on the plate in the driver's door frame). At the end of the day the combination cannot weigh more than that. The Police could well escort you to a weighbridge and check.
Manufacturer's towing weight, as said, varies from 1700-1850 depending on model.
Even if there were a loophole to exceed this what do you think your insurers or an expert witness called by the courts would say if you were towing 3500 kg and got yourself into trouble?
Kevin
Manufacturer's towing weights are reccomendations, not law. It is not illegal to tow up to the maxium trailer weight. It is not a loophole, it is fact.
The paragraph below is from the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
In the case of light trailers, that is less than 3500kg maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.
As I said in my original reply, It may not be advisable, but it is not illegal.
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In the case of light trailers, that is less than 3500kg maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.
Agreed. I wasn't arguing that there is. There is, however, legislation against overweight vehicles and combinations.
Every vehicle has a plated maximum train weight. On an Omega that is about 4 tonnes (can't be bothered to go and check it). An Omega weighs 1.8 tonnes. Add a 3.5 tonne trailer and you're at 5.3 tonnes, before you include driver and passengers and any load in the Omega.
There may not be a vehicle licensing issue with driving it if suitably licensed, but there is a construction and use issue with driving an overloaded vehicle.
http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/uploads/compliance/VOSA_VehicleSafety_DangersofOverloading.pdf
.. and regardless of the legal position, I repeat: What would your insurers or an expert witness make of an incident involving a combination that's overweight by 1.3 tonnes plus?
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While you may not find a specific law that prohibits a miggy trailing another miggy but the police will probably have you on dangerous driving. Just like it isn't specifically illegal to accelerate the nuts off your car at the lights once it goes green (even within the speed limit) yet the police can have you under other driving laws :y
BC no one is having a pop but there are a lot of very knowledgeable people on here, as well as ex coppers. If you can get your local police to give you direction that what you say is within the word and spirit of the law then you may get more people listening to you :y
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Not sure which specific car the VIN plate is from, but will suffice.....
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1154543684
Irrespective of what your licence allows you to tow, the car manufacturer says the vehicle has limits. They are stamped on the VIN, as per the example quoted. Exceed them and you are cannon fodder to watchfull trafpol or VOSA.
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Just because you know your donkey is the strongest in town and you know how to handle him, doesn't mean that its best to have him do the required task.... ;D
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/OOF/donkeyoverload.jpg)
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Thanks for all the advice guys. its a 2.2 auto saloon 02 plate. No MOT or TAX and been standing for 15 months on his drive. I was thinking of buying it off him to repair or even break it. Main fault is gearbox not changing properly. Selector issue i think. and sometimes takes a couple of goes to start. He used to use it to drive to work to Coalville till the MOT ran out. Been standing since then. Slight ding in the rear quarter panel , apart from that it was a sound car.. Known the guy for 20 years so i know a bit of the history and the small fortune he has paid the local idiot to try to find out whats was up with it. He's not a member on here even though i've told him to join. He just wants rid of it :)
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Just trying to work out the cost of paying someone or some company to get it over to my place . Then work out a price to offer him for it. I'll have to ring 118 118 to see if a local firm can quote me. bit skint till june so only researching at the moment. :)
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http://www.transporterhire.co.uk/
This may be of use to you
This is one of several companies, but I think the prices are all fairly similar.
worth a shot
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Sounds like it has a faulty cam sensor to me
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http://www.transporterhire.co.uk/
This may be of use to you
This is one of several companies, but I think the prices are all fairly similar.
worth a shot
Only one small problem:
Carry up to 1.5t
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Sounds like it has a faulty cam sensor to me
If i do decide to buy it Mark, i'll be straight round your house mate ;D :y
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http://www.transporterhire.co.uk/
This may be of use to you
This is one of several companies, but I think the prices are all fairly similar.
worth a shot
Only one small problem:
Carry up to 1.5t
Thanks Guffer. Not sure on the weight of a 2.2 miggy but i think i would be pushing it :y
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Strange question coming up!!!!
It went straight through its last MOT so it shouldnt need much doing to it for a new ticket.
Question..... i know you can legally drive a car to an MOT station if its booked in..
Would i be able to book it into an MOT station in leicester (distance from his house, well Coventry to leicester) Also , what about road tax (you cant tax it without a valid MOT ) so would it be legal to drive it to the station without the tax too?
Mark :question
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you can drive a car to a pre-arranged mot test without tax and mot but it must be insured and the test station should be within a reasonable distance
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you can drive a car to a pre-arranged mot test without tax and mot but it must be insured and the test station should be within a reasonable distance
Thanks Henryd. I'm not sure if Coventry to Leicester would be a reasonable distance :(
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Just rang my local mot station and asked them. they told me as long as its booked in with them properly (registration etc..) i can legally drive it from Coventry to them. With insurance of coarse
COOL :y
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Just rang my local mot station and asked them. they told me as long as its booked in with them properly (registration etc..) i can legally drive it from Coventry to them. With insurance of coarse
COOL :y
I am honestly not sure you can rely on this, I was always told this only counts for booking the car into the closest test station - which definition I have stretched once or twice ;) - I guess if the car looks smart then then the risk of a pull is not huge, and certainly don't want to p_ss on your chips so good luck and hope you can get this car on the road where it belongs.
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Well my mig is 1570kgs so would be borderline
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Reasonable distance means in the same town or city :o
If you get pulled by the rozzers, they will have your gonads on a plate ;)
Thats if you don't crash it first ;)
Remember its been stood for 15 months so the brakes are going to be abit dodgy ::)
IMO, if the MOT station knows all the facts about the car ( 15 months / brakes ) and said drive it, I wouldn't touch them ;)
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Reasonable distance means in the same town or city :o
where do you get this infomation from?
as ive looked to find the answer to this.
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I'd say that 30miles (Coventry to leicester) is not too far, especially if you play the card that they have a specialist mechanic who deals with omegas or something, and that they are the garage you use all the time etc.
Bearing in mind, that within the 30 mile distance, it will be getting less and less far as you travel, so you may even get stopped withing 5 miles of it and they wont know how far you've driven.
Tbh, i would and have done it in the past, but not more than 30 miles.....but then i lived in the middle of nowhere and my village was 30 miles from the nearest town.....so i dont know if thats a good example.
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Remember its been stood for 15 months so the brakes are going to be abit dodgy ::)
Yep... Even a couple of weeks can make the brakes feel strange to start with
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Thinking seriously i could ask him to MOT it , or at least get the test done to see whats what with the car. I think a couple of weekends over coventry way to prep it first . Brakes will need a good check over, probably replace the fluid etc.... engine fluids and maybe a new battery. I'll ring him tomorrow to find out more info.
Thanks for all the interest :y