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Title: 5 speed auto
Post by: denisaok on 13 May 2011, 20:51:58
Hi All

Phoned steeler today to order gaskets for my garebox and he took reg then asked me if it was a 4 or 5 speed box I said I didnt know there was a 5 speed an he said oh yes sir depends where car was made.
Was he talking rubbish
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: davethediver on 13 May 2011, 20:55:56
The europeans had the five speed auto but never fitted to any UK spec cars, but stealer should have known that and a check of the reg would have confirmed it :y
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: geoffr70 on 13 May 2011, 20:58:27
What Dave said, and have you tried getting your gaskets from JPAT? Alot cheaper than dealers apparently
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: Grrrrrr on 13 May 2011, 21:33:04
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The europeans had the five speed auto but never fitted to any UK spec cars, but stealer should have known that and a check of the reg would have confirmed it :y

Interesting. How easy to fit one of these 5 speed autos to a british car? Anyone tried? Would help mpg / performance considerably, I would think.
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: feeutfo on 14 May 2011, 02:05:43
You'll have to go to Europe and live with the Diseasle lump that goes with it. The box may well fit a n other engine, I don't know, but there is no software in existence to run 5 speed box with any other engine other than 2.5dti/TDi or whatever it is...?

Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: Shackeng on 14 May 2011, 10:15:43
Couldn't we get TB to write some? He's got nothing better to do. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D 8-)
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: TheBoy on 14 May 2011, 11:14:56
Exactly as chrisgixer says, only ever available on the Y25DT (the BMW common rail lump fitted to Opel only - UK got the rather naff, comparitively speaking, Y22DTH, 2.2DTi)

Therefore no software for anything other than the Y25DT, thus no good in any other car.


TD owners wanting a box change, as much as I hate the Omega manual, should change to a manual. Its a different car -*much* better MPG (a match for the 2.2DTi when chipped, economy wise), much more responsive.

If I were to buy another 2.5TD, and I have considered it, it would have to be a manual.
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: denisaok on 14 May 2011, 12:31:25
Hi All

Thanks for the above
No I have not tried JPAT but will can someone tell me what parts numbers I need to ask them for the gaskets and the filter. I did read can that I can clean the filter if so what with?
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: feeutfo on 14 May 2011, 12:46:18
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Hi All

Thanks for the above
No I have not tried JPAT but will can someone tell me what parts numbers I need to ask them for the gaskets and the filter. I did read can that I can clean the filter if so what with?
Carb cleaner. Parafin. White spirit. Anything petro chemical based the evaporates off.

Jpat will know if you tell them what car it is.
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 May 2011, 13:49:40
Mrs Opti swears blind that my 53 plate MV6 auto has five speeds. To be fair to her there does seem to be four distinct gear changes after moving off from rest... :-? :-?.....I wonder.. :y
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: TheBoy on 14 May 2011, 13:57:03
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Mrs Opti swears blind that my 53 plate MV6 auto has five speeds. To be fair to her there does seem to be four distinct gear changes after moving off from rest... :-? :-?.....I wonder.. :y
It has 4 - its the TC lockup that makes people think it has 5
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 May 2011, 14:11:27
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Mrs Opti swears blind that my 53 plate MV6 auto has five speeds. To be fair to her there does seem to be four distinct gear changes after moving off from rest... :-? :-?.....I wonder.. :y
It has 4 - its the TC lockup that makes people think it has 5




I'm guessing torque converter... :y

........one thing that really pisses me off is when the auto box insists on changing down from top (4th) to 3rd every time I descend the slightest of slopes. Annoying.... >:( My old 3.2 plod estate had exactly the same party trick.... :(
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: feeutfo on 14 May 2011, 14:21:59
Depends how steep, and if trying to keep within the speed limit or save fuel. It doesn't help save fuel, but if the hills steep it does help hold the car back.

IMO it's over sensitive though, as there's always the sport mode button if we want to more engine braking off the throttle.
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 14 May 2011, 14:42:20
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Depends how steep, and if trying to keep within the speed limit or save fuel. It doesn't help save fuel, but if the hills steep it does help hold the car back.

IMO it's over sensitive though, as there's always the sport mode button if we want to more engine braking off the throttle.


I'm guessing anything steeper than about 1 in 12... :-/ :-/.....and another thing. It seems to like to stay in third gear at anything up to 40-45 mph.....even on a light throttle and a flat road......where it could easily take top at 30m.p.h.  :-/
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: feeutfo on 14 May 2011, 17:58:17
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Depends how steep, and if trying to keep within the speed limit or save fuel. It doesn't help save fuel, but if the hills steep it does help hold the car back.

IMO it's over sensitive though, as there's always the sport mode button if we want to more engine braking off the throttle.


I'm guessing anything steeper than about 1 in 12... :-/ :-/.....and another thing. It seems to like to stay in third gear at anything up to 40-45 mph.....even on a light throttle and a flat road......where it could easily take top at 30m.p.h.  :-/
Does it have version 9 software update?
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: kcl on 18 May 2011, 10:28:22
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Exactly as chrisgixer says, only ever available on the Y25DT (the BMW common rail lump fitted to Opel only - UK got the rather naff, comparitively speaking, Y22DTH, 2.2DTi)

Therefore no software for anything other than the Y25DT, thus no good in any other car.


TD owners wanting a box change, as much as I hate the Omega manual, should change to a manual. Its a different car -*much* better MPG (a match for the 2.2DTi when chipped, economy wise), much more responsive.

If I were to buy another 2.5TD, and I have considered it, it would have to be a manual.

Yes, but remember Hans-V6, the guy from the Netherlands: his car had 5-speed auto and was definately 3,2 engine...  :-/ It has been discussed but nobody seems to have the infinite answer to that question. I have never seen any other V6 Omega with 5-speed auto exept that one...
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: bob.dent on 18 May 2011, 10:41:23
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Mrs Opti swears blind that my 53 plate MV6 auto has five speeds. To be fair to her there does seem to be four distinct gear changes after moving off from rest... :-? :-?.....I wonder.. :y
It has 4 - its the TC lockup that makes people think it has 5




I'm guessing torque converter... :y

........one thing that really pisses me off is when the auto box insists on changing down from top (4th) to 3rd every time I descend the slightest of slopes. Annoying.... >:( My old 3.2 plod estate had exactly the same party trick.... :(

One of my favourite gripes with the autobox. Slightest sniff of an incline or decline at between 30 and 50 the bloody thing changes gear and I find myself shouting at it....."but you didn't need to change!!" but it never listens. ::) ;D
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: TheBoy on 18 May 2011, 19:43:18
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Exactly as chrisgixer says, only ever available on the Y25DT (the BMW common rail lump fitted to Opel only - UK got the rather naff, comparitively speaking, Y22DTH, 2.2DTi)

Therefore no software for anything other than the Y25DT, thus no good in any other car.


TD owners wanting a box change, as much as I hate the Omega manual, should change to a manual. Its a different car -*much* better MPG (a match for the 2.2DTi when chipped, economy wise), much more responsive.

If I were to buy another 2.5TD, and I have considered it, it would have to be a manual.

Yes, but remember Hans-V6, the guy from the Netherlands: his car had 5-speed auto and was definately 3,2 engine...  :-/ It has been discussed but nobody seems to have the infinite answer to that question. I have never seen any other V6 Omega with 5-speed auto exept that one...
It never came out of the factory with that gearbox ;)

I would imagine its a pig to drive, as all the change maps will be wrong...
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: kcl on 19 May 2011, 07:31:46
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Exactly as chrisgixer says, only ever available on the Y25DT (the BMW common rail lump fitted to Opel only - UK got the rather naff, comparitively speaking, Y22DTH, 2.2DTi)

Therefore no software for anything other than the Y25DT, thus no good in any other car.


TD owners wanting a box change, as much as I hate the Omega manual, should change to a manual. Its a different car -*much* better MPG (a match for the 2.2DTi when chipped, economy wise), much more responsive.

If I were to buy another 2.5TD, and I have considered it, it would have to be a manual.

Yes, but remember Hans-V6, the guy from the Netherlands: his car had 5-speed auto and was definately 3,2 engine...  :-/ It has been discussed but nobody seems to have the infinite answer to that question. I have never seen any other V6 Omega with 5-speed auto exept that one...
It never came out of the factory with that gearbox ;)

I would imagine its a pig to drive, as all the change maps will be wrong...

I'm sure you must be sure with your answer. It was just so "convincing" setup that Hans-V6 had.
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: TheBoy on 19 May 2011, 18:10:27
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Exactly as chrisgixer says, only ever available on the Y25DT (the BMW common rail lump fitted to Opel only - UK got the rather naff, comparitively speaking, Y22DTH, 2.2DTi)

Therefore no software for anything other than the Y25DT, thus no good in any other car.


TD owners wanting a box change, as much as I hate the Omega manual, should change to a manual. Its a different car -*much* better MPG (a match for the 2.2DTi when chipped, economy wise), much more responsive.

If I were to buy another 2.5TD, and I have considered it, it would have to be a manual.

Yes, but remember Hans-V6, the guy from the Netherlands: his car had 5-speed auto and was definately 3,2 engine...  :-/ It has been discussed but nobody seems to have the infinite answer to that question. I have never seen any other V6 Omega with 5-speed auto exept that one...
It never came out of the factory with that gearbox ;)

I would imagine its a pig to drive, as all the change maps will be wrong...

I'm sure you must be sure with your answer. It was just so "convincing" setup that Hans-V6 had.
If anyone PM's me the VIN, we can confirm for definate which gearbox it left the factory with ;)
Title: Re: 5 speed auto
Post by: Jimbob on 19 May 2011, 18:21:03
this is his car :

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/Sjors-V6/HPIM6792.jpg

and more info:

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1190501561/0