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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: aaronjb on 01 June 2011, 13:17:32
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388
From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.
From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.
A quote from the video:
Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off
Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!
Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)
I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388
From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.
From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.
A quote from the video:
Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off
Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!
Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)
I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?
nope.. you havent turned into them ;D
seriously I'm glad what they share with us :y
and about the subject.. I'm sure car enthusiasts will try every way and soon disable those nannies ;D ;D
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
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I'm with you on the last part ;) I've always thought that if you're going to ban phones then you really need to ban kids being carried in a passenger compartment that is visible and accessible from the drivers seat..
The number of times I see people (usually mothers) driving along while turned around fiddling with the kid in the back is astonishing.
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
Kevin, I am shocked, how can you have both hands on the wheel driving a manual gearbox ?
;D ;D ;D
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388
From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.
From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.
A quote from the video:
Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off
Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!
Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)
I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?
No you have not. They are more interesting than you. ;D ;D ;D
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Kevin, I am shocked, how can you have both hands on the wheel driving a manual gearbox ?
;D ;D ;D
Ooh! I'd have to have flappy paddles. :-*
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388
From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.
From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.
A quote from the video:
Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off
Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!
Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)
I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?
No you have not. They are more interesting than you. ;D ;D ;D
Oh, I'm hurt.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388
Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!
Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)
Yeah, let's get rid of all that lame stuff that idiot drivers depend on so that we can enjoy really driving our cars. You know, things like synchromesh gears, power steering, servo-assisted brakes, independent rear suspension. Things were never the same after the 1920s.
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Yeah, let's get rid of all that lame stuff that idiot drivers depend on so that we can enjoy really driving our cars. You know, things like synchromesh gears, power steering, servo-assisted brakes, independent rear suspension. Things were never the same after the 1920s.
Yeah, I'd absolutely be up for some of that. :y Perhaps more of the idiots would decide it's not for them and the roads would be reclaimed by those who take a modicum of pride in their driving.
Kevin
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going >:(
And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener >:(, yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen >:( >:(
Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?
I'm going off to think of nice thoughts.... ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...
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I think we have to accept that along with other freedoms in life, driving a car how we like will go soon enough. What amazes me is that it hasn't been really started yet. :( :(
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going >:(
And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener >:(, yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen >:( >:(
Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?
I'm going off to think of nice thoughts.... ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...
So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..
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How strange!!
a figging front wheel drive p.o.s. suffers from lift off oversteer,
what the hell do they expect?
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going >:(
And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener >:(, yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen >:( >:(
Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?
I'm going off to think of nice thoughts.... ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...
So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..
And which do you prefer, Mr aaronjb ;D
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going >:(
And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener >:(, yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen >:( >:(
Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?
I'm going off to think of nice thoughts.... ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...
So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..
And which do you prefer, Mr aaronjb ;D
I'll go for boring, I think.. I don't fancy the other two much, at all!
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going >:(
And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener >:(, yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen >:( >:(
Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?
I'm going off to think of nice thoughts.... ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...
Wheres that then? The gay beach Super Paradise on the island of Mykonos? happy dreams. :y
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yes, I think we are a bit cosseted compared to how things used to be.
My son is learning to drive, and we passed a small one man garage who has about 15 Beetles all parked up. I remarked how they were fun to drive, and his comment was that without power assist it would be hard, steering would be hard work and as for braking, well. :'(
I need to get him an old non synchro land rover to learn in, that'll build up his muscles, and give an appreciation of where things came from !
Ken
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Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? ;)
I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves? >:(
Kevin
EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.
Personally, I woundn't fancy driving my Omega round the block without PAS if im honest! :-/
The main reason I bought it was because of all the toys! ;D :y
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yes, I think we are a bit cosseted compared to how things used to be.
My son is learning to drive, and we passed a small one man garage who has about 15 Beetles all parked up. I remarked how they were fun to drive, and his comment was that without power assist it would be hard, steering would be hard work and as for braking, well. :'(
I need to get him an old non synchro land rover to learn in, that'll build up his muscles, and give an appreciation of where things came from !
Ken
When I was a young Akela, I once managed to get 22 Cub's into a LWB version for a 3 mile journey... :y :y
You would not dare do that now, how times change... :-/ :-/ :-/
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That's what I passed my test in, with an Army driving instructor. Great fun, double de-clutch up and down the box, "L" plates, through the middle of Glasgow.
Mind you, people kept out of my way, wonder why :-/ ;D
Ken
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So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..
Look on the bright side, at least you are now protected by the vulnerable persons act ;D
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On a serious note, I suspect this'll be another nail in the coffin for the small independant car manufacturer (not that there are many left). Another black box won't be an issue for those stamping FWD shopping trolleys out by the million.
For a specialist low-volume car manufacturer, however, it will be a big deal because I imagine these systems require a lot of testing to calibrate them for each chassis.
I haven't ever really "played" in a car with ESC, but I can imagine that, once you get used to it sorting out all your bad habits, the one time when you manage to overstep it that little bit more, and render it helpless, it becomes a really lethal trouser-browner. :o
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So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..
Look on the bright side, at least you are now protected by the vulnerable persons act ;D
Ooh does that mean I can sue? ;)
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So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..
Look on the bright side, at least you are now protected by the vulnerable persons act ;D
Ooh does that mean I can change my name to sue? ;)
::)
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On a serious note, I
I haven't ever really "played" in a car with ESC, but I can imagine that, once you get used to it sorting out all your bad habits, the one time when you manage to overstep it that little bit more, and render it helpless, it becomes a really lethal trouser-browner. :o
its a pain in the butt!!! Pete,s merc had it on, omega estate in the snow goes straight up the hill round the corner at the top with no dramA,s
Pete,s merc (with ESC) had 3 of us pushing it for over an hour and it still wouldnt go up the little hill, finaLLy gave up,as the rrear brakes were smoking!! and let it stay on the side of the road
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388
Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!
Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)
Yeah, let's get rid of all that lame stuff that idiot drivers depend on so that we can enjoy really driving our cars. You know, things like synchromesh gears, power steering, servo-assisted brakes, independent rear suspension. Things were never the same after the 1920s.
Nothing wrong with a well located live axle