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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tonyyeb on 12 June 2011, 22:23:50
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WHAT A RACE!!
Hollywood couldn't possibly sell a script that has the winner pitting 6 times, surviving two collisions, and coming from plum last to win on the final lap!
Doubt that I've ever seen a more electric GP - fantastic entertainment, and well done JENSON BUTTON :) :)
Brilliant drive.... ;)
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Must admit I thoroughly enjoyed this one, and definitely well done Jensen!!
It was nice to see a little of Schumaker showing through, he still hasn't lost the touch.
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And one of the longest...
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I wonder what odd's you would have got on Button to win with 22 laps to go :-/
Just loved the look that Vetell gave Webber at the interveiw when Webber said the podium reflected the race :o
They might be a bitch fight in the RedBull garage later ;D ;D ;D
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I wonder what odd's you would have got on Button to win with 22 laps to go :-/
Just loved the look that Vetell gave Webber at the interveiw when Webber said the podium reflected the race :o
They might be a bitch fight in the RedBull garage later ;D ;D ;D
I get this feeling that Webber likes Button a lot more than he likes Vettel.. ;D
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I saw the bit from where they stopped, until the end.
OK, I know it was a strange race due to the conditions, but even I would concede it was mostly enjoyable to watch :y
I had said earlier, that the reason Hamilton tends to do better than Button was Hamilton's hunger to win, whereas Button is just a poof.
However, for the 2nd time in his career, Button did seem to get the bit between his teeth, and show what he is capable of when he is prepared to try.
However, I fully expect Charlie Whiting to be out of a job today, as the race was so poorly managed. Starting behind a safety car, and bringing it out at any opportunity (to pause the race was the right move though). And the restart, they followed the safety car for so long, they had to get off the wet tyres.
However, given the level of corruption within F1, I suspect the knob jockeys will back the useless retard up >:(
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I saw the bit from where they stopped, until the end.
OK, I know it was a strange race due to the conditions, but even I would concede it was mostly enjoyable to watch :y
I had said earlier, that the reason Hamilton tends to do better than Button was Hamilton's hunger to win, whereas Button is just a poof.
However, for the 2nd time in his career, Button did seem to get the bit between his teeth, and show what he is capable of when he is prepared to try.
However, I fully expect Charlie Whiting to be out of a job today, as the race was so poorly managed. Starting behind a safety car, and bringing it out at any opportunity (to pause the race was the right move though). And the restart, they followed the safety car for so long, they had to get off the wet tyres.
However, given the level of corruption within F1, I suspect the knob jockeys will back the useless retard up >:(
Now that's something I never thought I'd hear from you Jaime!! ::) ;)
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Now that's something I never thought I'd hear from you Jaime!! ::) ;)
I love motorsport. F1 could be so exciting, just like this race was, if they could get it right.
I wonder if we would get people trying harder if we did away with the championship, and each race was, truely, its own independent event ::)
Whilst I don't want to see anyone hurt, as a spectator, I do want to see these drivers 100% on the ragged edge, 100% of the time. And wheel to wheel racing. I don't want to see people go off, as the more cars, the greater the spectacle. More slides like Vettel on last lap, and maybe a bit of harmless argie-bargie like Hamilton on the first proper lap. Close racing on the ragged edge :y
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Now that's something I never thought I'd hear from you Jaime!! ::) ;)
I love motorsport. F1 could be so exciting, just like this race was, if they could get it right.
I wonder if we would get people trying harder if we did away with the championship, and each race was, truely, its own independent event ::)
Whilst I don't want to see anyone hurt, as a spectator, I do want to see these drivers 100% on the ragged edge, 100% of the time. And wheel to wheel racing. I don't want to see people go off, as the more cars, the greater the spectacle. More slides like Vettel on last lap, and maybe a bit of harmless argie-bargie like Hamilton on the first proper lap. Close racing on the ragged edge :y
I have to say I agree with you 100%, but by the sheer nature of modern F1 cars, tyres and aerodynamics in recent years it has taken away a lot of the spectacle which is why they have intoduced changes for this year such as DRS and Pirelli tyres, and various regulation changes to encourage closer racing and overtaking. I do however think that in such conditions as the Canadian GP, they were right in delaying the race. Let's face it, it's no fun seeing car after car slithering off the track into the barriers and ending up with only a handful of finishers. Also, despite the huge amounts of money the drivers are paid, who really wants to see a driver lose his life unnecessarily in such conditions. :-/
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Now that's something I never thought I'd hear from you Jaime!! ::) ;)
I love motorsport. F1 could be so exciting, just like this race was, if they could get it right.
I wonder if we would get people trying harder if we did away with the championship, and each race was, truely, its own independent event ::)
Whilst I don't want to see anyone hurt, as a spectator, I do want to see these drivers 100% on the ragged edge, 100% of the time. And wheel to wheel racing. I don't want to see people go off, as the more cars, the greater the spectacle. More slides like Vettel on last lap, and maybe a bit of harmless argie-bargie like Hamilton on the first proper lap. Close racing on the ragged edge :y
I have to say I agree with you 100%, but by the sheer nature of modern F1 cars, tyres and aerodynamics in recent years it has taken away a lot of the spectacle which is why they have intoduced changes for this year such as DRS and Pirelli tyres, and various regulation changes to encourage closer racing and overtaking. I do however think that in such conditions as the Canadian GP, they were right in delaying the race. Let's face it, it's no fun seeing car after car slithering off the track into the barriers and ending up with only a handful of finishers. Also, despite the huge amounts of money the drivers are paid, who really wants to see a driver lose his life unnecessarily in such conditions. :-/
But they should make cars that can work in the rain. Not optimally, but still work.
As it is, they know they can make a car that only works in the dry, as they know the retards running the show will stop the race if someone has a piss in the wrong direction...
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So you want cars that 'work' in the rain, and some argy-bargy..
Basically, then, fit the F1 cars with an enclosed cockpit, windscreen wipers and fit a full road car bodyshell so cars don't get thrown off the track when you have wheel to wheel contact.
Oh, look, Touring Cars. Try watching that instead of F1, TB ;)
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Additionally, I dont think drs or kers is the answer. Less (dramatically) aerodynamic grip, more mechanical grip.
An whilst we still allow (dry weather) pit stops, we will always get people happy to follow until next stop....
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So you want cars that 'work' in the rain, and some argy-bargy..
Basically, then, fit the F1 cars with an enclosed cockpit, windscreen wipers and fit a full road car bodyshell so cars don't get thrown off the track when you have wheel to wheel contact.
Oh, look, Touring Cars. Try watching that instead of F1, TB ;)
He has a point there Jaime! ::)
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So you want cars that 'work' in the rain, and some argy-bargy..
Basically, then, fit the F1 cars with an enclosed cockpit, windscreen wipers and fit a full road car bodyshell so cars don't get thrown off the track when you have wheel to wheel contact.
Oh, look, Touring Cars. Try watching that instead of F1, TB ;)
Opps, sorry, I missed this post, my bad.
I love BTCC :y. That definately has a place in this world.
Single seater doesn't need to go that far, but some kind of compromise in the middle. Certainly a car that can run in wet conditions, as the current situation is a bit of a laughing stock.
If the goal is the fastest possible cars, then don't limit engines/aero/tyres. If you want anything that resembles a race, some fundamental changes need to be made
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I saw the bit from where they stopped, until the end.
OK, I know it was a strange race due to the conditions, but even I would concede it was mostly enjoyable to watch :y
I had said earlier, that the reason Hamilton tends to do better than Button was Hamilton's hunger to win, whereas Button is just a poof.
However, for the 2nd time in his career, Button did seem to get the bit between his teeth, and show what he is capable of when he is prepared to try.
However, I fully expect Charlie Whiting to be out of a job today, as the race was so poorly managed. Starting behind a safety car, and bringing it out at any opportunity (to pause the race was the right move though). And the restart, they followed the safety car for so long, they had to get off the wet tyres.
However, given the level of corruption within F1, I suspect the knob jockeys will back the useless retard up >:(
You're leaving yourself open to a libel suit there should Mr Button be so inclined TB ;D ;)
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Yup, very good race once it got underway again. Great drive from Button and from Schumacher it has to be said.
Whilst I'd agree DRS should removed (unfair advantage) and that I'd like to see closer racing, wheel to wheel racing you see in the lower formulae isn't what Formula 1 is about. I'd much rather see clever ballsy overtakes in F1 rather than the argy bargy in touring cars.
F1 made a good improvement towards that this year by banning double diffusers which has allowed cars to follow by 0.5 sec behind rather than 1.0sec+. This should be improved next year too as the EBD (exhaust blown diffuers) will be banned as the exhausts will exit 330mm behind the diffuser, we'll also get to see the exhaust flames on over run now. :y
I agree there should be less aerodynamic emphasis and more mechanical developments, which understandably is harder to govern. Should bring back ground effect as this basically negates 'dirty air' and allows cars to follow each other very closely.
Whilst I can understand people's frustrations with rain affected races and standing water, there's not a whole lot the cars can do to solve the problem. The tyres can clear enough water and grip, but the cars are often running so close to the ground they basically aquaplane/surf on standing water. Also there is the considerable problem of visibility which is always going to be a big problem, drivers often say they listen for other cars in these conditions as they can't see them. Can't really raise the ride height and make them 4x4's either. The only solution I can put forward is to introduce much better drainage around racing circuits so that the water can be cleared away quickly. Seemed to work very well in cricket, don't see why they can't do the same for F1.
As you can see I could probably talk all day about F1. :P
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Excellent race, I fell asleep but woke up just in time to see vettel drop one! Thanks to iplayer I got to see it.
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Also, agree that button is a bit of a poof and it's only because hamilton has such a desire to win that he gets himself into a bit of trouble.
Imagine if all of them raced like he does, they wouldn't need to try and make it more exciting!
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So you want cars that 'work' in the rain, and some argy-bargy..
Basically, then, fit the F1 cars with an enclosed cockpit, windscreen wipers and fit a full road car bodyshell so cars don't get thrown off the track when you have wheel to wheel contact.
Oh, look, Touring Cars. Try watching that instead of F1, TB ;)
Opps, sorry, I missed this post, my bad.
I love BTCC :y. That definately has a place in this world.
Single seater doesn't need to go that far, but some kind of compromise in the middle. Certainly a car that can run in wet conditions, as the current situation is a bit of a laughing stock.
If the goal is the fastest possible cars, then don't limit engines/aero/tyres. If you want anything that resembles a race, some fundamental changes need to be made
I was pondering all this today, ESP since the death defying crashes at le'man.
Let's be honest for a minute, touring cars is no match for f1 on performance grounds, and I must admit on previous discussions I had over looked the prototypes in the endurance series. Add in the porsches and Ferraris of the lower classes in endurance, which would piss all over touring cars in every respect you start to see the proof of that. The prototypes absolutely destroy them in every area and have the enclosed cockpit and chassis you mention. So let's say prototypes are a better idea for f1 for a minute.
Now take the Allan Mcnish crash at Le'man. The Ferrari (touring car lets say)involved in that incident iirc stopped just short of the barrier. Where as the Audi (f1 car for comparison)was still travelling at high enough speed and hight to have almost cleared the barrier and continue on the same distance again had there not been a concrete wall 15 feet high behind the tyre wall that only just cought the car and saved several people from certain death.
Now during the f1 commentary at the Gilles Vileneurve circuit Brundle stated this is an old style F1 track with Walls and ,yes admittedly catch fencing. There is cock all run off there when you put F1 cars on the circuit.
Now do we really think that Charlie Whiting was over cautious? Do we really think start under safety car was too safe? Do we really blame them for not releasing the race proper until the track was practically dry?
Because having seen the crash at Le'man it tell you what. I don't!
And I'll tell you something else. The race should never ever have been run there at all. And looking at the way they handled the race so cautiously THEY DAMN WELL KNEW IT TOO!
So. Where back to the same sort of conclusion we always seem to come to on these discussions. F1 has outgrown itself! The cars and development have moved on. And damn right too. Thing is the circuits have not. We can't have flat out racing in the wet as we all want to see in Canada! No way! Whiting deserves a medal IMO. Because you can bet Eclstone will be badgering him to get things under way somehow. Bernie needs to stop decorating his house in Gold and build some suitable tracks! THEN let them rip.
Rant over ;)
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I agree with almost all of that - though I would hate to see them lose all of the 'old' tracks and have nothing but antiseptic 'modern' tracks in countries like Bahrain.. partly because the design of the new tracks has been a bit hit-n-miss; some of them give excellent racing and some of them are like watching paint dry :-/
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I reckon the LMP would have stopped quicker if it was in contact with the ground. ;) Yes, they are faster than a GT car but also a lot lighter. Overall energy at impact is probably not much different, IMHO.
But, agreed. Driver safety seems to have been cracked these days. Time to consider other aspects of how to allow the cars to be raced to their full potential reasonably safely.
It has to be said, since the LMPs were downgraded in power they seem more unsettled. In both cases, a relatively light touch caused the car to just take off. :-/
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It has to be said, since the LMPs were downgraded in power they seem more unsettled. In both cases, a relatively light touch caused the car to just take off. :-/
The commentators (repeatedly, they had 24hrs to fill, after all ;D) talked about the fact that they are now running as little downforce as possible to counteract the decrease in power, so I imagine that has quite a bit to do with it..
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I reckon the LMP would have stopped quicker if it was in contact with the ground. ;) Yes, they are faster than a GT car but also a lot lighter. Overall energy at impact is probably not much different, IMHO.
But, agreed. Driver safety seems to have been cracked these days. Time to consider other aspects of how to allow the cars to be raced to their full potential reasonably safely.
It has to be said, since the LMPs were downgraded in power they seem more unsettled. In both cases, a relatively light touch caused the car to just take off. :-/
Obviously we're never going get a direct comparison unless we have.... A direct comparison. :-/ And if the Audi had been going slower it would not have left the ground. They clearly need to level that gravel trap. I mean how often do we sit and watch a race, an incident occurs and only then do we see the level of energy being released by a tumbling car or cart wheeling bike...ooh that's nasty...ooh that's really shifting... Ooh Blimey it's not slowing down... CHRIST ALMIGHTY IT'S nearly in the crowd/vaulting the fence etc.
Indy cars is an ideal example, they only look dramatically quick when smearing bits of Carbon fibre down the retaining wall after a minor whoopsy leading broken limbs in a bath Tub skidding up the track with no resemblance to a car.
But yes, proves the point surely? Although I do wonder what on earth Mcnish was doing... :-? There was a suggestion he didn't know the Ferrari was there.... :o
Take the TT or the nurenburg ring. Fantastic ribbons of Tarmac. So much so they are considered almost hallowed ground. Pilgrimages.... visitors from the world over... People return year on year... Why? And here my argument falls down a little, danger, for the most part, but also because the track meets the need, the challenge, the drug that's involved with that danger. It's worth the risk.
Name me a short circuit that meets that same level? Silverstone does, according to drivers and riders alike, although I don't think crowd are as keen. Saxon ring maybe in some sections. Lagunas cork screw section, the rest of that circuit us just a means to go back up to the cork screw for another go... Er, and now I'm struggling.
They need to build something worthy of the call. We need it desperately.... IMO.
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Cadwell Park - The Mountain ? ask Leon Camier what happens. :y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9DhGIuLIQo
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Build cars which suit the circuits - all this progress and development 'dangle berries' is overrated. Then get the British GP back to a proper circuit - Brands Hatch.First lap, paddock hill bend, that would sort the men from the boys. ;)
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Build cars which suit the circuits - all this progress and development 'dangle berries' is overrated. Then get the British GP back to a proper circuit - Brands Hatch.First lap, paddock hill bend, that would sort the men from the boys. ;)
Ah yeah, backward development. You have the answer there Albs. :y
So we have the mountain at Cadwell leading up to the corkscrew, leading down into the infield at Saxon ring up and over the hill to the drop off right hander at the back of the circuit, leading to the back straight at Silverstone going directly into the fast left at Abbey(old circuit now banned) into Bridge, do the complex, main straight turn 1 then maggots, beckets, chapel..... Then what?
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Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators. TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.
Alienate the fans, the sport dies.
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Build cars which suit the circuits - all this progress and development 'dangle berries' is overrated. Then get the British GP back to a proper circuit - Brands Hatch.First lap, paddock hill bend, that would sort the men from the boys. ;)
Ah yeah, backward development. You have the answer there Albs. :y
So we have the mountain at Cadwell leading up to the corkscrew, leading down into the infield at Saxon ring up and over the hill to the drop off right hander at the back of the circuit, leading to the back straight at Silverstone going directly into the fast left at Abbey(old circuit now banned) into Bridge, do the complex, main straight turn 1 then maggots, beckets, chapel..... Then what?
If I wanted to see development I would take a tour of a laboratory. I want to see close exciting racing on circuits which arent sterile and devoid of character - so yeah, turn the clock back. Why not ?
Anyone I know (or know of) with a decades long interest in motorsport (and F1 in particular) are unanimous - it was a hell of a lot better 20 to 30 years ago.
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Build cars which suit the circuits - all this progress and development 'dangle berries' is overrated. Then get the British GP back to a proper circuit - Brands Hatch.First lap, paddock hill bend, that would sort the men from the boys. ;)
Ah yeah, backward development. You have the answer there Albs. :y
So we have the mountain at Cadwell leading up to the corkscrew, leading down into the infield at Saxon ring up and over the hill to the drop off right hander at the back of the circuit, leading to the back straight at Silverstone going directly into the fast left at Abbey(old circuit now banned) into Bridge, do the complex, main straight turn 1 then maggots, beckets, chapel..... Then what?
If I wanted to see development I would take a tour of a laboratory. I want to see close exciting racing on circuits which arent sterile and devoid of character - so yeah, turn the clock back. Why not ?
Anyone I know (or know of) with a decades long interest in motorsport (and F1 in particular) are unanimous - it was a hell of a lot better 20 to 30 years ago.
Then go watch classic racing, if you want touring cars watch them, and if we don't like F1 then don t watch it at all! But we do, avidly, Because it's F1 and not any other class.
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I dont watch F1 avidly anymore. I can remember many years ago walking out of a wedding reception (and leaving the wife there) because the highlights from the U.S were being shown.
I now watch it if I happen to be at home,and its on, and I have nothing better to do. Or Im at work, where I certainly wont have anything better to do.
The point is, it is without doubt a shadow of what it used to be.
There has been incredible progress, but most of it in the wrong direction and for the wrong reasons. It has gone up a blind alley in many respects and needs to reverse out of it.
The excitement in this seasons racing is due to the rear wing opening thing for the most part. And thats artificial and mickey mouse. Its papering over the cracks of the bigger problems.
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Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators. TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.
Alienate the fans, the sport dies.
Too late! Going by the comments on here...?
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Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators. TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.
Alienate the fans, the sport dies.
Too late! Going by the comments on here...?
But not according to the viewing figures, at least based on what I could find via Google - incremental rises from 2009 through 2010 and 2011 for the UK and worldwide..
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Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever. ;)
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Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever. ;)
But they do indicate popularity - and F1 is never going to change radically to please the (I suspect minority of) people who wish it was 1964 while viewing figures are going up, because viewing figures equals income for Bernie ;)
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I think they should be made to have a windscreen with wipers fitted!!!
no need for safety cars then they can all see a little!!
this would have also helped with Massa,s problem last year, its all about safety isnt it? :y
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Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators. TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.
Alienate the fans, the sport dies.
Too late! Going by the comments on here...?
But not according to the viewing figures, at least based on what I could find via Google - incremental rises from 2009 through 2010 and 2011 for the UK and worldwide..
I suspect that 2009 saw a boast in UK due to Brawn/Button. Actually, a couple of years before than due to Hamilton...
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Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever. ;)
But they do indicate popularity - and F1 is never going to change radically to please the (I suspect minority of) people who wish it was 1964 while viewing figures are going up, because viewing figures equals income for Bernie ;)
Not 1964. 1979 will do for me. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kre35Pct0yA
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2tIFxSEGA&NR=1[/media]
In terms of "progress" this race was pretty historically significant. It was the first ever F1 race won by a 1500cc turbocar, but no-one remembers that. Everyone remembers the massive (but fair) duel between two very determined drivers. ;)
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......and if you talk to Italian F1 fans and mention Scumacher they hardly raise an eyebrow, but mention Gilles Villenueve and their eyes light up and they get excited and animated. ;)
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What a load of sentimental rubbish. How slow is that footage? Bored!
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Lap times arent everything, and I suspect that the less professional camera work etc in those days has a lot to do with it. I used to go and watch F1 in those days and it was scarily fast. They were still approaching 200mph in parts.and dont forget, the cars used to fold up like a Tescos bag when they hit something solid, as poor old Gilles found out to his (ultimate) cost at Zolder in 82.
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Well thank God we have moved on, is all I can say!
Its like Pop music IMO. What ever was around " back in the day " must have been best, according to some. Or classic bikes, i'm sure you've heard the start of the speech when showing interest in whats obviously a lovingly restored project. Through dentures and a croaky voice " its a 1957 bantam bsa tiger cub (trumpet pox riden pile of crap that barely kept out of the weeds) and its far better than these plastic things they ride around on these days" bla bla.... its old and clapped out, MOVE ON!
To be far if that's what blows your skirt up so to speak, then great, but I really don't see what your expecting to find in F1 other than cutting edge technology. IMO they need to apply it to the track as well. There's no room for Gilles in that equation Albs. Accept it.
And paddock hill bend is over rated IMO. Brands Indy... There's bigger round abouts these days.
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Popular music peaked at the end of the 60,s and tailed off into the mid 7o,s. Very little of merit since then. Anyone who says different knows nothing about music. End of. ;) ::)
Bikes - Peaked about 10 years ago. Anything since has been tiny improvements, exaggerated by the industry and press to keep the wheels of the wagon turning to keep them in jobs - traction control, two wheel drive, do me a rather favour. A 996/ early R1 or a blade from around 10 years ago. What more could you need, unless your racing against more modern machinery.
Bikes pre Fireblade - museum pieces, nuff said.
Brands Indy - yep far too small. Brands full circuit - a mans circuit. Will never forget standing on the outside of paddock bend (30 years ago) with 25 F1 cars at full chat heading from the startline towards the corner. The whole crowd instinctively took a couple of steps back. No gay 100 yard run off areas then. ;) :D
F1 drivers - true greats in my lifetime - Villenueve then Senna.Thats it. :y
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Albs you are very very old. :P ;D
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Albs you are very very wise. :P ;D
Thanks Chris. :-* ;D
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Build cars which suit the circuits - all this progress and development 'dangle berries' is overrated. Then get the British GP back to a proper circuit - Brands Hatch.First lap, paddock hill bend, that would sort the men from the boys. ;)
Ah yeah, backward development. You have the answer there Albs. :y
So we have the mountain at Cadwell leading up to the corkscrew, leading down into the infield at Saxon ring up and over the hill to the drop off right hander at the back of the circuit, leading to the back straight at Silverstone going directly into the fast left at Abbey(old circuit now banned) into Bridge, do the complex, main straight turn 1 then maggots, beckets, chapel..... Then what?
The Bombhole - Snetterton then Island bend and Shell Oils at Oulton Park perhaps
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Snetterton? Trust me there's nothing exciting about that place, old circuit at least, they have added some new infield sections and altered the last chicane I hear. I'll swap you the bombhole for the old dingle dell at brands before it was altered to it's present form, how's that?
Btw we have some work to do, this diy circuit needs to be longer, much longer!
Going by the tv coverage turn 9 at Turkeys F1 circuit should in, and a good portion of Spa.
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Ah, spa :)
Great before they ruined the end of it
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Ah, spa :)
Great before they ruined the end of it
Agreed,but at least it still got eau rouge :y
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Just reinstate the old Nurburgring, and whoever is brave enough to turn up and have a go wins the world championship.
My money would be on Hamilton. :y :D ;D ;D
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I reckon the LMP would have stopped quicker if it was in contact with the ground. ;) Yes, they are faster than a GT car but also a lot lighter. Overall energy at impact is probably not much different, IMHO.
But, agreed. Driver safety seems to have been cracked these days. Time to consider other aspects of how to allow the cars to be raced to their full potential reasonably safely.
It has to be said, since the LMPs were downgraded in power they seem more unsettled. In both cases, a relatively light touch caused the car to just take off. :-/
Name me a short circuit that meets that same level? Silverstone does, according to drivers and riders alike, although I don't think crowd are as keen. Saxon ring maybe in some sections. Lagunas cork screw section, the rest of that circuit us just a means to go back up to the cork screw for another go... Er, and now I'm struggling.
They need to build something worthy of the call. We need it desperately.... IMO.
OK, not originally a short circuit, but it has become one - Spa.
Still a supreme test of courage, full of overtaking opportunities and always full of drama.
(Also, allow me a little pedantry - it's 'Sachsenring', not 'Saxon Ring' ;))
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Just reinstate the old Nurburgring, and whoever is brave enough to turn up and have a go wins the world championship.
My money would be on Hamilton. :y :D ;D ;D
Schumacher might show some of his old form if this to be re-instated (cheating kraut that robbed Damon Hill in Australia):-X
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I think we have seen his real level of ability since his comeback.
He now has to (supposedly)drive with in the rules and has to drive a car which has been built to the same rules as all the other cars. ;)
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Perhaps his previous cars had 'Ride of the Valkyries' played through the pit to car radio to get him in the mood for '
smashingracing' with other drivers.
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They certainly had traction control (among other things) while it was banned. ;)
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Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever. ;)
But they do indicate popularity - and F1 is never going to change radically to please the (I suspect minority of) people who wish it was 1964 while viewing figures are going up, because viewing figures equals income for Bernie ;)
Not 1964. 1979 will do for me. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kre35Pct0yA
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2tIFxSEGA&NR=1[/media]
In terms of "progress" this race was pretty historically significant. It was the first ever F1 race won by a 1500cc turbocar, but no-one remembers that. Everyone remembers the massive (but fair) duel between two very determined drivers. ;)
The important difference in that race was that they could bang wheels without critical components falling off. Wheels obviously stayed on, tracking must have stayed good enough, no aero parts got sprayed round the track.
I agree that DRS is too false although it simulates exciting racing.
If legislation focussed on strength of components that might help, although it's that very fragility that has contributed to the safety improvements.
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An Technician( Edit...bloody DTM had been playing with the word filter hasn't he! ;) originally posted as E N G I N E E R ;D ) would consider his job well done if the car expired in all aspects the momment it crossed the Finish line! Fuel ran out, engine expired, bits fell off just at the right moment to win the race. Strong and durable enough to finish, and light enough to get there as quick as possible , so the DUMB ARSE DRIVER DIDNT NEED TO DRIVE INTO STUFF in order to win. ;D Strong enough and light enough, no more, no less. :)
It was interesting to see the Le'man pit crews handle their cars in the pits. Clime all over it to clean the screen, pulling on wing mirrors to handle the car into the pit garage. Do that on an F1 car and it would snap off various parts instantly.... And so it should at 1.5 hours a race, or whatever, versus 24 hours of Le'man.
It's formula 1 and it's moved on from coal fired boilers and steam barely out of Black and White Tv.
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And sold its soul somewhere along the way. ;)
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To the Devil side swipe that is Bernie Ecclestone!
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To the Devil arse wipe that is Bernie Ecclestone!