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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 20 August 2011, 18:19:36
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Guessing thats a No, has to be trailered?
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recall if wheels are on the ground it has to be taxed at least?
Its ok if its off the ground i think :-/
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recall if wheels are on the ground it has to be taxed at least?
Its ok if its off the ground i think :-/
:y
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So has to be trailered then. Even dollies and a frames are out... ??
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So has to be trailered then. Even dollies and a frames are out... ??
Yup I'd say so, rear wheels still on the ground!
Mother T's estate has a tow bar, but needs leccy hookup. Could get that hooked up and find a trailer?
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So has to be trailered then. Even dollies and a frames are out... ??
Yup! ;)
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So has to be trailered then. Even dollies and a frames are out... ??
Yup I'd say so, rear wheels still on the ground!
Mother T's estate has a tow bar, but needs leccy hookup. Could get that hooked up and find a trailer?
I'm sure somebody local has a supercharged RR, that must have towbar and leccy... ...if he's old enough to tow ::).
Just need a trailer
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So has to be trailered then. Even dollies and a frames are out... ??
Yup I'd say so, rear wheels still on the ground!
Mother T's estate has a tow bar, but needs leccy hookup. Could get that hooked up and find a trailer?
I'm sure somebody local has a supercharged RR, that must have towbar and leccy... ...if he's old enough to tow ::).
Just need a trailer
Have you checked? Lot is see don't have one! Unless they are the hidden kind.
When are you collecting this?
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From where to where and when? ::)
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Rightly or wrongly I towed an Astra from a long way down south to home, coppers passed & didn't even give me a second glance, it had insurance but no tax or MOT. Whether they'd have acted the same if I'd been involved in an accident ........... :-/ I just covered the tow car's reg number. :-/
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So has to be trailered then. Even dollies and a frames are out... ??
Yup I'd say so, rear wheels still on the ground!
Mother T's estate has a tow bar, but needs leccy hookup. Could get that hooked up and find a trailer?
I'm sure somebody local has a supercharged RR, that must have towbar and leccy... ...if he's old enough to tow ::).
Just need a trailer
Have you checked? Lot is see don't have one! Unless they are the hidden kind.
When are you collecting this?
Most RR have removalable ones factory fitted ;)
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From where to where and when? ::)
That depends on the availability of the student's garage ;D
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Guessing thats a No, has to be trailered?
It seems to depend on the copper.
I phoned our copshop spoke to the SGT as I was going to buy an A Frame., he told me as long as no one was in the towed car plus I had a light board in the rear window I would be fine. I did exactly that more times than I can remember with no issues at all from the Boys in Blue.
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From where to where and when? ::)
That depends on the availability of the student's garage ;D
Payment might be a go behind the wheel in the RR.... ohh and helping me clear out the crap from the garage!
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Guessing thats a No, has to be trailered?
It seems to depend on the copper.
I phoned our copshop spoke to the SGT as I was going to buy an A Frame., he told me as long as no one was in the towed car plus I had a light board in the rear window I would be fine. I did exactly that more times than I can remember with no issues at all from the Boys in Blue.
Guess that makes it same as a trailor?
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Guessing thats a No, has to be trailered?
It seems to depend on the copper.
I phoned our copshop spoke to the SGT as I was going to buy an A Frame., he told me as long as no one was in the towed car plus I had a light board in the rear window I would be fine. I did exactly that more times than I can remember with no issues at all from the Boys in Blue.
Which is exactly as I've towed vehicles on A frames. :y
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Im pretty sure it has to have tax/insurance/mot and a lightboard if towed with an A frame. :-/
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Im pretty sure it has to have tax/insurance/mot and a lightboard if towed with an A frame. :-/
I think it is a Grey Area Albs being honest. If you ask different people from different areas they have different answers from their Copshops..... :-?
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Im pretty sure it has to have tax/insurance/mot and a lightboard if towed with an A frame. :-/
Yep, An A-frame attachment to any motor vehicle, legally can only be used to recover broken down vehicles to a place of safety, nothing else, and said vehicle must be roadworthy in the sense of having tax/mot/ins.
That doesn't include towing broken down vehicles from a place of safety.
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Just do what I did... that seems to overcome most problems.
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
Can you drive at 50mph? :o
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
.... to hire I mean.
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
Can you drive at 50mph? :o
Never mind that... Will it stop?
Or is the trailer braked?
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
Can you drive at 50mph? :o
Never mind that... Will it stop?
Or is the trailer braked?
You're asking me? ;)
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Staff anouncement...(if I may be so bold :-[)
"Kevin Wood to general chat please" ...
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Perhaps I can assist ??
What do you want towing, from where to where, and when ... as I have a towbar and some experience of towing a heavy(ish) trailer (1600 kgs) ....... :)
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
Can you drive at 50mph? :o
Recall a certain admin telling me off for towing his V6 too quickly with my 4 pot! :o :D
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Perhaps I can assist ??
What do you want towing, from where to where, and when ... as I have a towbar and some experience of towing a heavy(ish) trailer (1600 kgs) ....... :)
An Omega.
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Going by one of Kevs older posts a trailer isn't that expensive, and I have a tow bar with working electrics. :)
Can you drive at 50mph? :o
Recall a certain admin telling me off for towing his V6 too quickly with my 4 pot! :o :D
Because we didn't drop the propshaft, and the original plan was to fix the car, not shag the box ;)
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Perhaps I can assist ??
What do you want towing, from where to where, and when ... as I have a towbar and some experience of towing a heavy(ish) trailer (1600 kgs) ....... :)
An Omega.
Unless you strip a fair bit out of it no Omega will tow another Omega on a trailer legally, and probably not on an A-frame either ... just have a peek at the max train weight limit on the VIN plate .. :(
Still do-able ... just not legal .. :)
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Someone local with a Supercharged RR?
:D I wonder who that is?
Yeah, of course I'll help. It does actually have a tow bar with electrics, even has another number plate to attach to the trailer.
I know where it's from, and to...just when?
I'll look up it's towing capacity...but where do you get a 16ft+ trailer from? Isn't the Omega 16.1 ft from memory, so you need a decent size trailer. The Transit beavertail I mentioned doesn't have a big enough bed.
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'll look up it's towing capacity...but where do you get a 16ft+ trailer from? Isn't the Omega 16.1 ft from memory, so you need a decent size trailer. The Transit beavertail I mentioned doesn't have a big enough bed.
Nor does it have enough weight capacity to do the job legally. Maximum GVW is going to be 3.5t, and the Transit weighs about 2 of those!
Talking of legally; if you pay a recovery company to do the job, for it to be legal it needs to be done on a vehicle with an O licence and on the tacho, as it's not a breakdown! All of which bumps the price up.
The best way of doing this is using a braked trailer, with an appropriate weight capacity, and tow it behind a Discovery, Range Rover, Transit, Daily or Sprinter, as they're all legal to do so. That's if you're not going to pay for it to be done properly of course!
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The local place to me hires out trailers for £30+VAT per day and he has all shapes and sizes. Certainly big enough to take an Omega and, with a RR to tow it, you don't need to worry about the weight. 1700kg of Omega plus about 500 for the trailer, and the trailers are all twin axle braked affairs.
To be frank, even if I was going to tow it with an Omega I'd go for an overweight braked trailer before an A frame with an uninsured, untaxed, unbraked car on it.
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Im pretty sure it has to have tax/insurance/mot and a lightboard if towed with an A frame. :-/
Yep, An A-frame attachment to any motor vehicle, legally can only be used to recover broken down vehicles to a place of safety, nothing else, and said vehicle must be roadworthy in the sense of having tax/mot/ins.
That doesn't include towing broken down vehicles from a place of safety.
So what about all the campervans going around towing Smartcars etc on A-Frames then? :-? :-/
Also, I don't understand why if towing another car with an A-frame, it has to have tax/mot/ins..... After all there are some big caravans and trailers out there that don't have any! :-/ and how many get checked for roadworthyness?? ::)
That's not a rant by the way, just a genuine query!! :y Maybe, I'm abit confused given the lateness of the hour..... :-X
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Someone local with a Supercharged RR?
:D I wonder who that is?
Yeah, of course I'll help. It does actually have a tow bar with electrics, even has another number plate to attach to the trailer.
I know where it's from, and to...just when?
I'll look up it's towing capacity...but where do you get a 16ft+ trailer from? Isn't the Omega 16.1 ft from memory, so you need a decent size trailer. The Transit beavertail I mentioned doesn't have a big enough bed.
If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
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Im pretty sure it has to have tax/insurance/mot and a lightboard if towed with an A frame. :-/
Yep, An A-frame attachment to any motor vehicle, legally can only be used to recover broken down vehicles to a place of safety, nothing else, and said vehicle must be roadworthy in the sense of having tax/mot/ins.
That doesn't include towing broken down vehicles from a place of safety.
So what about all the campervans going around towing Smartcars etc on A-Frames then? :-? :-/
Also, I don't understand why if towing another car with an A-frame, it has to have tax/mot/ins..... After all there are some big caravans and trailers out there that don't have any! :-/ and how many get checked for roadworthyness?? ::)
That's not a rant by the way, just a genuine query!! :y Maybe, I'm abit confused given the lateness of the hour..... :-X
Im pretty sure that "towing to a place of safety" only applies on motorways.
The reason that a car being towed needs to be road legal and caravans etc. dont is that A car is constructed as a motor vehicle and therefore must be taxed/insured/mot,d if its wheels are on a public highway.
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Im pretty sure it has to have tax/insurance/mot and a lightboard if towed with an A frame. :-/
Yep, An A-frame attachment to any motor vehicle, legally can only be used to recover broken down vehicles to a place of safety, nothing else, and said vehicle must be roadworthy in the sense of having tax/mot/ins.
That doesn't include towing broken down vehicles from a place of safety.
So what about all the campervans going around towing Smartcars etc on A-Frames then? :-? :-/
Also, I don't understand why if towing another car with an A-frame, it has to have tax/mot/ins..... After all there are some big caravans and trailers out there that don't have any! :-/ and how many get checked for roadworthyness?? ::)
That's not a rant by the way, just a genuine query!! :y Maybe, I'm abit confused given the lateness of the hour..... :-X
the smart car will more than likely have all documentation and be road legal and ready for use on the campsite when they get there., so that will be legal providing it's within the weight limits etc.
The towed car on an a frame needs tax/insuance/mot for obvious reasons, it's a mechanically propelled vehicle on a public highway. It would need it if it's travelling under its own steam, stationary and parked up, or being towed.
I have heard that if the engine is removed from a vehicle, then it is no longer a vehicle, hence does not need insurance etc to be towed. Don't know if this is just an urban myth though. Probably only useful to breakers as you wouldn't want to take the engine out just to tow it! Need to check the law on thta one.
Caravans and trailers are (or should be) covered by the towing vehicles insurance. You are supposed to provide details of the trailer to the insurance company to be legal.
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
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question is....whats the project? :D
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question is....whats the project? :D
I know :D
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not a minifacelift from the gallery by any chance?
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
That's just my point! :-? :-? If he was towing over 3.5 tonnes he wouldn't have a valid licence for the job in hand. It'd be like producing your normal licence when stopped driving an HGV!
And if he didn't have the appropiate licence, he wouldn't have insurance. And it's nothing to do with being too young! :-? :-?
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not a minifacelift from the gallery by any chance?
Nah, I'm still considering to buy that whole off Daz and turn it into a runner with those miles :-/
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Would I be a little pessimistic thinking that using a RR sport towing a large trailer with an Omega on it is a little ambitious if you haven't towed before? That's a lot of weight and some expensive borrowed kit if anything goes tits up!
We had a job a couple of months ago righting a Discovery that had been towing another one on a quality trailer. There were two written off Discos, and a knackered trailer, all caused by braking suddenly when someone pulled out in front of him. Experienced driver, legal rig.
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Would I be a little pessimistic thinking that using a RR sport towing a large trailer with an Omega on it is a little ambitious if you haven't towed before? That's a lot of weight and some expensive borrowed kit if anything goes tits up!
We had a job a couple of months ago righting a Discovery that had been towing another one on a quality trailer. There were two written off Discos, and a knackered trailer, all caused by braking suddenly when someone pulled out in front of him. Experienced driver, legal rig.
I've towed things far heavier than an Omega, with stuff far lighter than a RR. Everybody has to learn somewhere, and a big LR/RR is an ideal towcar to start with.
However, those passing there tests recently do not have the entitlement, and that is an overiding factor.
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... righting a Discovery that had been towing another one on a quality trailer. There were two written off Discos, and a knackered trailer, all caused by braking suddenly when someone pulled out in front of him. Experienced driver, legal rig.
A couple of years ago we were first in the queue on what became a closed motorway when the same as this happened a few minutes before we got there. 3 blokes were crawling out of the towing Land Rover, son, Dad & then his Dad, all very shook up but OK. They were towing another older Land Rover on a trailer which was also on its side. :( No idea of the cause ..... maybe speed as it was after a long decline :-/ :-/
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However, those passing their tests recently do not have the entitlement, and that is an overiding factor.
Unless you're Tunnie ........... :-? :-?
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However, those passing their tests recently do not have the entitlement, and that is an overiding factor.
Unless you're Tunnie ........... :-? :-?
I don't have the entitlement, that has not stopped me towing.
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If you are towing, maybe you should consider taking the examination to get the entitlement :-X
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If you are towing, maybe you should consider taking the examination to get the entitlement :-X
Nah, its not often I tow things (I won't even be driving my car when i do) so its not worth bothering.
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However, those passing their tests recently do not have the entitlement, and that is an overiding factor.
Unless you're Tunnie ........... :-? :-?
I don't have the entitlement, that has not stopped me towing.
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie. I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing. ::)
Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...
It's basically a case of not having the right licence....
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie. I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing. ::)
Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...
It's basically a case of not having the right licence....
Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
When I've towed its just been very close to the limit 3.5ton limit
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie. I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing. ::)
Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...
It's basically a case of not having the right licence....
But you need to bare in mind that Tunnie is always right ......... even when he doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow ::)
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie. I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing. ::)
Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...
It's basically a case of not having the right licence....
But you need to bare in mind that Tunnie is always right ......... even when he doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow ::)
Have you finished stirring and breaking forum rules? :)
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie. I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing. ::)
Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...
It's basically a case of not having the right licence....
But you need to bare in mind that Tunnie is always right ......... even when he doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow ::)
Have you finished stirring and breaking forum rules? :)
but I don't make it up like some ............
You can always hit the alert mod button ........
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tunnie and Andy B, get a room. Keep it out of here. Thanks.
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
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If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er? :-/
Valid point. :y
He may not, but TB has and could be the driver ;)
Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young :-/
I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie. I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing. ::)
Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...
It's basically a case of not having the right licence....
But you need to bare in mind that Tunnie is always right ......... even when he doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow ::)
Have you finished stirring and breaking forum rules? :)
but I don't make it up like some ............
You can always hit the alert mod button ........
At what point have I stated incorrect fact?
My first post:
recall if wheels are on the ground it has to be taxed at least?
Its ok if its off the ground i think :-/
You also stated you broke the law by towing a car with no tax or MOT:
Rightly or wrongly I towed an Astra from a long way down south to home, coppers passed & didn't even give me a second glance, it had insurance but no tax or MOT. Whether they'd have acted the same if I'd been involved in an accident ........... :-/ I just covered the tow car's reg number. :-/
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
License has sod all to do with it.
Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.
Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.
What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow? :-?
Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training :)
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
...and Towing a Horsebox with animal onboard is totally different to towing a caravan or another vehicle, think about having a glass of water on the dashboard or thinking like a bus driver has too with passengers standing up.
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
License has sod all to do with it.
Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.
Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.
What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow? :-?
Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training :)
But they've had more experience and therefore wouldn't think this (from another thread) is acceptable:-
I've always maintained I love camping, but you can't bomb down a country twisty lane at 80mph, getting 50mpg, skip traffic jams or hold anyone up on a bike :)
Now if i'm coming the other way with loaded horsebox in tow while you think it's acceptable to be doing 80 down the twisty country road then I fear you are not long for this world.
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But they've had more experience
Speaking from the entitlement point of view, which is lets face it red tape. Someone who passed December 1996 is going to be way more experienced than someone who passed January 1997? :-/
Don't see how that would work....
Now if i'm coming the other way with loaded horsebox animal in tow while you think it's acceptable to be doing 80 down the twisty country road then I fear you are not long for this world.
At least 50% of people on here, will have done 80mph down an A road. Lets not get all PC here, people do 95+ on the motorway, tow untaxed cars with no MOT's, breaking the speed limit, we all break the rules
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At least 50% of people on here, will have done 80mph down an A road. Lets not get all PC here, people do 95+ on the motorway, tow untaxed cars with no MOT's, breaking the speed limit, we all break the rules
or suggest it's OK to drive without the required :-?licence ......
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Handbags, ladies, handbags ;D ;D
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Yes I agree that most people have broken the speed limit, but you fail to see that the real problem here is that 80Mph down a twisty country road where you are highly likely to meet horseboxes or farm machinery is a surefire way to spend an afternoon at the undertakers.
As far as everyone breaking the law goes, i'm afraid that's no defence to you doing 80Mph down a country lane, ask any Police Officer if Joe Bloggs having no tax is a valid reason for you to be speeding 20Mph above the absolute maximum for such a road and I don't think that will gain you anything.
I'm not picking on you in particular (though I have used your posts to highlight the point), but sometimes it takes a reality check such as an accident before realisation sets in. I just don't want your first reality check to be under the wheels of a 4wd and Horsebox with nothing but a crash helmet to save you.....
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Handbags, ladies, handbags ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
I just find it funny that AndyB likes to nit pick my posts ;D ;D
I'll let him get on towing a cars without any mot or tax on the road :)
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Handbags, ladies, handbags ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
I just find it funny that AndyB likes to nit pick my posts ;D ;D
I'll let him get on towing a cars without any mot or tax on the road :)
just read from reply #40
I'm going to watch Top Gear
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
License has sod all to do with it.
Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.
Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.
What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow? :-?
Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training :)
Thats the price you pay for having easier school exams ;D
We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently, and judged to different standards. Whether that affects things or not cannot be proven.
To try to clarify it for you, should a 16yr old with a moped licence be allowed to ride a 900cc sports bike? Its not his fault he's too young.
Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries. Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?
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this is an area which is about as grey as it can get....
some parts of the law require at least some of the wheels to be uplifted, whilst others treat the towed vehicle as a "nothing"
I get asked this a lot - the answer is very complex because you need to ferret out each of the different aspects.
in short, best not to just tow it and at least get it recovered for you.
towing dollies are at best questionable and at worst just illegal ( see the above comments )
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We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently
Exactly, in the old days you just had to ride in a straight line and not fall off, people who pass bike test now cannot ride above 33 bhp until they reach 21(?)
Do you think people who pass now are better trained than 40 years ago? :-/
Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries. Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?
But my license says I cannot drive 7.5 ton, what extra training did you have at your driving test for this? You took same basic test I did, with same core parts.
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We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently
Exactly, in the old days you just had to ride in a straight line and not fall off, people who pass bike test now cannot ride above 33 bhp until they reach 21(?)
Do you think people who pass now are better trained than 40 years ago? :-/
Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries. Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?
But my license says I cannot drive 7.5 ton, what extra training did you have at your driving test for this? You took same basic test I did, with same core parts.
And the reason they changed it to a separate test was to ensure that people were trained to do so... Same with trailer tests. At the end of the day, if you haven't got the entitlement you are breaking the law to do it ;)
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You could discuss to death whether or not it's right to limit weight entitlements for people passing their tests after 1997, or whether it's right for people passing their test before this period to retain their 'grandfather rights' - but the reality is, rightly or wrongly, this is what the law says.
You could also spend all day talking about whether or not it's safe (regardless of legality) to tow more than the allowed weight if you're careful, and using the right kit - and whether or not some coppers vs others would want to do anything about it - but the bottom line is still that the offence, as per the letter of the law, would be complete.
The offence would be that of driving otherwise than in accordance with your licence. In terms of penalties for this, if you get an understanding copper and he/she suspects you're maybe only marginally over the weight, they might just give you some advice or a telling off.
Otherwise, if you get done for it, it starts around 3 points and 60 beer tokens, but could potentially be a lot more severe depending on the magistrate, and how much you were extracting the urine by what / how you were towing. ;D :y
I can't remember the URL, but search google - as there is a site whereby you can put in your start/end destination, and what you need moving, and companies will 'bid' for your business. I've found it hugely competitive :y :y
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We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently
Exactly, in the old days you just had to ride in a straight line and not fall off, people who pass bike test now cannot ride above 33 bhp until they reach 21(?)
Do you think people who pass now are better trained than 40 years ago? :-/
Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries. Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?
But my license says I cannot drive 7.5 ton, what extra training did you have at your driving test for this? You took same basic test I did, with same core parts.
Ahh, but back in the old days we still had common sense, so once you could drive a car getting into a 7.5 tonner and taking it easy, feeling your way around it until you got some confidence was fine.
Now, common sense has been banned so we have to be mollycoddled every inch of the way through life. ;)
At the end of the day, if you haven't got the entitlement you are breaking the law to do it
Yep. No use arguing that it's no different for you. If the piece of paper says you can't drive it, you don't have much of an argument if you end up before the beak trying to justify your actions. ;)
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So after 5 pages , we have pinpointed that 1997 was the pivotal year. Before that we are all expert drivers. After that you are all drivers lacking common sense, ability, keeping your distance from vehicle in front and anticipation etc.(i.e. model BMW drivers). ;D ;D
We need to find out what happened that year and more importantly which party was in power so they can be blamed. :y
Use a recovery truck to get this car moved.
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So after 5 pages , we have pinpointed that 1997 was the pivotal year. Before that we are all expert drivers. After that you are all drivers lacking common sense, ability, keeping your distance from vehicle in front and anticipation etc.(i.e. model BMW drivers). ;D ;D
We need to find out what happened that year and more importantly which party was in power so they can be blamed. :y
Use a recovery truck to get this car moved.
Then there were people like my dad who never took a test, as it wasn't a requirement when he got a car. Or people of a certain age who were in the army.
I guess they have had to tighten up because driving standards have clearly dropped (a trip on any UK commuter motorway shows that, or driving through Milton Keynes - but then most of the non-UK people there probably don't have a licence), and roads have become busier, faster places.
'My' generation (ie, codgers) cope better in winter, remember to prepare, and drive to those conditions. Because we have experience of proper winters. Look at the kids in their chavved up shitboxes last winter, getting stuck everywhere, and nothing for warmth beyond a t-shirt and a baseball cap.
Trouble is, my' generation has bred a generation of me-me-me idiots, who don't care/consider anything but themselves, and will pull out in inappropriate gap, or make manuovers with no warning/signalling to other road users.
This makes the roads a dangerous place, thus the do-gooders have to meadle. I agree with the bike restrictions introduced in the mid 90s. I mean, at 17yrs old, I could jump on the worlds fastest bikes that Yamaha and Kawasaki were throwing out at the time (with emphasis on speed, not handling or stopping ::)), which was plain crazy. Even the smaller bikes, being 2 stroke, were bonkers.
Another factor, again based around the difference in society, was a closer knit family, and it was less common to move out before getting married, and less common to move far from the family home. And money was harder to come by.
This meant that we couldn't afford cars at 18yrs old. It was a bike, and if you had a job (remember it was well over 3m unemployed), your bike had an engine ;D. You were taught how to drive properly by dad/older brothers, not taught how to pass a test by a businessman just interested in statistics. Specifically, I remember the first time I towed a trailer I had dad with me (telling me, rightly, to slow down), and the first 'big' thing I towed (legally ::)), a speedboat, I had my oldest brother with me (I had towed this previously, from around the age of 15, but always on, presumably, private land where we used to go water skiing, again, initially, with supervision). Towing and being towed in cars on tow-ropes, well, I worked at British Telecom for years, and that was a very regular occurance ;D
Today is different, and we all need to accept that. There are certainly more arrogant tossers on the road, who care not about others. Our children do get cars at 18, and are only taught how to pass an arbitary test. Our children have limited roadskills at this point, as we drive them to/from everywhere, and in the back seat (my niece recently failed her test because she didn't have a clue where places were in her own town), rather than making them learn the Green Cross Code, and sending them everywhere on their bikes, including doing the shopping. And us old codgers would fail the driving test for using the gears to slow down. We pepper our cars with airbags, ABS, ESP, TC to make our children safe, yet cannot account for when they overstep what the electronics can recover from.
Imagining some of the younger drivers I see on the road being allowed to drive Cargos and the like scares the shit out of me.
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For the record, BTW, a certain person has said I can borrow his Range Rover for the day, so just need to source a trailer... ...ideally in the Brackley/Oxford area... ...although there is no certainty this will all go ahead anyway...
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For the record, BTW, a certain person has said I can borrow his Range Rover for the day, so just need to source a trailer... ...ideally in the Brackley/Oxford area... ...although there is no certainty this will all go ahead anyway...
Just spent the last three days reading the thread lol, all the best for getting the car from a to b :y, think ya gotta let little fairies pick it up and teleport it with magic wands that'd keep the ecilops happy!
Bloody nightmare eh??!?!
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For the record, BTW, a certain person has said I can borrow his Range Rover for the day, so just need to source a trailer... ...ideally in the Brackley/Oxford area... ...although there is no certainty this will all go ahead anyway...
You know the garage next to the bike place in town? I spotted on the notice board, they had trailers. Full size. Think about 40 quid for the day :)
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... righting a Discovery that had been towing another one on a quality trailer. There were two written off Discos, and a knackered trailer, all caused by braking suddenly when someone pulled out in front of him. Experienced driver, legal rig.
A couple of years ago we were first in the queue on what became a closed motorway when the same as this happened a few minutes before we got there. 3 blokes were crawling out of the towing Land Rover, son, Dad & then his Dad, all very shook up but OK. They were towing another older Land Rover on a trailer which was also on its side. :( No idea of the cause ..... maybe speed as it was after a long decline :-/ :-/
Most dangerous thing for towing, after side winds and steep long hill.
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
License has sod all to do with it.
Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.
Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.
What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow? :-?
Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training :)
Why don't you just take the towing test, it will come in useful one day.
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
...and Towing a Horsebox with animal onboard is totally different to towing a caravan or another vehicle, think about having a glass of water on the dashboard or thinking like a bus driver has too with passengers standing up.
I would imagine totally different to a van.
Van more affected by wind, larger, need more care not to hit things.
HB smaller, heavy load, load is alive and can get very scared, need more care not to scare load.
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Yes I agree that most people have broken the speed limit, but you fail to see that the real problem here is that 80Mph down a twisty country road where you are highly likely to meet horseboxes or farm machinery is a surefire way to spend an afternoon at the undertakers.
As far as everyone breaking the law goes, i'm afraid that's no defence to you doing 80Mph down a country lane, ask any Police Officer if Joe Bloggs having no tax is a valid reason for you to be speeding 20Mph above the absolute maximum for such a road and I don't think that will gain you anything.
I'm not picking on you in particular (though I have used your posts to highlight the point), but sometimes it takes a reality check such as an accident before realisation sets in. I just don't want your first reality check to be under the wheels of a 4wd and Horsebox with nothing but a crash helmet to save you.....
Biggest issue down lanes isn't speed but bad driving.
Bad driving includes inappropiate speed.
It also includes cuting T junctions in Discoverys nearly taking front ends off Omega 2.6CDs and BMW 318is s and yes we are going to report her when we get the number!
Clear road good visability you can fly down it, but if you can't see slow right down.
I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.
I will admit to hurtling down clear roads but where there is no visability go very carefull.
Horsse boxes are least of your worries - try a combine!
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
...and Towing a Horsebox with animal onboard is totally different to towing a caravan or another vehicle, think about having a glass of water on the dashboard or thinking like a bus driver has too with passengers standing up.
I would imagine totally different to a van.
Van more affected by wind, larger, need more care not to hit things.
HB smaller, heavy load, load is alive and can get very scared, need more care not to scare load.
HB is, as you say, totally different. As said above, treat it like a full glass of water ;) Everything has to be smooth and gentle, a bit like driving in snow really, and plenty of awareness of what it going on around you :y :y
It's quite disconcerting when the animal in the box is having a temper tantrum and jumping up and down as well ::) ;D
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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.
That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..
Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!
I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.
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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.
That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..
Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!
I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.
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I'm not even going there ::) ::)
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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.
That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..
Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!
I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.
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I'm not even going there ::) ::)
;D I just couldn't help myself.. self restraint never was one of my strong suits ;)
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I commute down lanes as it is eaier and quicker than the main road (no long queues behind Mr/Mrs 40), I often come across same speed people, I pass on clear safe roads then they tailgate me through a village.
That one absolutely does my nut in! The lanes I use to & from work don't have many safe overtaking opportunities (too many hills & bends, and my eyes can't see over hills, sadly) - much less in the Omega - so I tend to be stuck behind the person doing 40mph..
Who invariably speeds up when they get to a 30 or 40 limit village!
I swear, they feel 'safer' in a village (despite all the side junctions, parked cars, SCHOOLS!, children, etc) than they do on a country lane .. proximity of trees must really freak them out.
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I'm not even going there ::) ::)
;D I just couldn't help myself.. self restraint never was one of my strong suits ;)
I had some little chavvy scrote climbing all over the rear of my car through all the speed limits the other night on my way home so I decided to teach him a lesson once out onto the open road... Didn't see him again until the next speed limit ::) ::) :D :D
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
License has sod all to do with it.
Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.
Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.
What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow? :-?
Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training :)
Why don't you just take the towing test, it will come in useful one day.
Think I might :) :y
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Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! :o
So does an Omega.
You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you :-/
License has sod all to do with it.
Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.
Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.
What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow? :-?
Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training :)
Why don't you just take the towing test, it will come in useful one day.
Think I might :) :y
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