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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Golfbuddy on 17 July 2007, 19:51:39
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The recent smoking ban?
I don't really mean the debate as to whether or not smoking is a good thing but to pass a law that criminalises smoking in the workplace.
When you look at recent posts where people have had their property and privicy invaded and we know what would happen even if the scumbags were caught, absolutely nothing. But, I hear that people have already been fined for smoking >:(
Next weeks debate: Fox hunting ;D ;D ;D
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The recent smoking ban?
I don't really mean the debate as to whether or not smoking is a good thing but to pass a law that criminalises smoking in the workplace.
When you look at recent posts where people have had their property and privicy invaded and we know what would happen even if the scumbags were caught, absolutely nothing. But, I hear that people have already been fined for smoking >:(
Next weeks debate: Fox hunting ;D ;D ;D
A local landlord has apparently been warned about smoking in his home after hours. His home happpens to be his pub! >:(
On the TV this evening - The One Show - The skipper of HMS Tireless was on. Smoking is also banned on a bloody submarine. I know it's a work place but it's also the home of the smokers. It all worked quite satisfactorily(sp? :-/) before when just four at a time were allowed to smoke in the designated place. After all it's a bit bloody difficult to go outside for a quick smoke when you're submerged!!! Bloody bureaucratic interfering government! And NO I don't smoke anymore
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I see it as the govt have shot themselves in the foot, all the pub goers arnt too bothered at the mo, but wait till its throwing down with rain, windy and cold.... people will avoid pubs and clubs - losing the gove valuable alcohol tax money, and them that do give up smoking, well the govt will lose tobacco tax money, result? I can see a new tax being introduced to make up the losses >:(
I havent heard of anyone being fined yet, but whats the world coming to if someone calls the police cos someone is smoking in public areas? by the time the cops get there, the fag will be smoked and no evidence to convict unless big brother is watching waste of police time and resources, and if camera evidence is used to press a charge, im sure it has to be via the courts.... more money and public service time wasted. The government are living in dream world.
Sorry, thats probably way off the question, but theres my 10p worth ;D
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Controversial me time ....
Completely agree with it - its frankly not enough. Smoking should be banned anywhere public.
You will see in time that the problem of smoking moves somewhere else with this new legislation - remember we have had this for a year in Scotland, and I CANT STAND weaving my way in and out and in and out to and from work in the city with all these office workers standing all over the pavement polluting the enviroment on mass because they cant smoke inside etc etc.
The ban should move to streets next.... >:(
Well you did ask ;D
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Its more of the same nanny state 'dangle berries' isn't it. FFS I'm a big boy now I can decide whether I wish to smoke or not. Sure a designated place I can tolerate. It's no different to when I worked with flammable chemicals and could only smoke in certain bits of the factory but now a driver can't even smoke in his cab even if he's driving a non stop four and a half hour shift.... And breathe.
Rant over.
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Does it count also, that if you have a gas engineer or tv repair man in your house, that becomes a place of work for him, we cant smoke?
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Controversial me time ....
Completely agree with it - its frankly not enough. Smoking should be banned anywhere public.
You will see in time that the problem of smoking moves somewhere else with this new legislation - remember we have had this for a year in Scotland, and I CANT STAND weaving my way in and out and in and out to and from work in the city with all these office workers standing all over the pavement polluting the enviroment on mass because they cant smoke inside etc etc.
The ban should move to streets next.... >:(
Well you did ask ;D
Agreed ;D
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Does it count also, that if you have a gas engineer or tv repair man in your house, that becomes a place of work for him, we cant smoke?
I believe that Bristol City Council have told their tenants that they are not allowed to smoke in their house if a council workman is coming around to do some work :o
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Does it count also, that if you have a gas engineer or tv repair man in your house, that becomes a place of work for him, we cant smoke?
I believe that Bristol City Council have told their tenants that they are not allowed to smoke in their house is a council workman is coming around to do some work :o
Quite right too...
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I should start by saying I am a non smoker, and as such, think being able to go out in a smoke free environment is great.
However, I think the recent ban is wrong, and the thin end of the wedge. Smokers have be banned from pubs, drinkers will be next. In fact, there have been a couple of moves by politians lately to start making drinking beer socially unacceptable....
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I should start by saying I am a non smoker, and as such, think being able to go out in a smoke free environment is great.
However, I think the recent ban is wrong, and the thin end of the wedge. Smokers have be banned from pubs, drinkers will be next. In fact, there have been a couple of moves by politians lately to start making drinking beer socially unacceptable....
Sod the UK, let's all go live in Amsterdam!! ;D
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I should start by saying I am a non smoker, and as such, think being able to go out in a smoke free environment is great.
However, I think the recent ban is wrong, and the thin end of the wedge. Smokers have be banned from pubs, drinkers will be next. In fact, there have been a couple of moves by politians lately to start making drinking beer socially unacceptable....
Sod the UK, let's all go live in Amsterdam!! ;D
I'd be dead in a year.... ;D
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I should start by saying I am a non smoker, and as such, think being able to go out in a smoke free environment is great.
However, I think the recent ban is wrong, and the thin end of the wedge. Smokers have be banned from pubs, drinkers will be next. In fact, there have been a couple of moves by politians lately to start making drinking beer socially unacceptable....
Sod the UK, let's all go live in Amsterdam!! ;D
I'd be dead in a year.... ;D
Caused by what, dare I ask!!!
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First they came for the Socialists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left
to speak up for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
Like TB says the thin end of the wedge.
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First they came for the Socialists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left
to speak up for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
Like TB says the thin end of the wedge.
Now, that's profound. As I said at the start, I'm not really that interested in the debate as to whether or not smoking is a good thing although I am sure most people, me included, have fairly strong views on that. I am far more interested in the debate as to whether or not there is any justification for criminalising it.
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That got you thinking didn't it.
As a smoker I can appreciate that many people do not want to sit in a smoky atmosphere, but I think there should be sections of pubs etc which you are allowed to smoke in. Surely modern air conditioning systems could keep smoke from smoke free areas without too much of a problem.
Its just another erosion of our so called free country that has come over the atlantic from the septics.
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The best way to take control over a people and control them
utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode
rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible
reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights
and freedoms being removed until past the point at which
these changes cannot be reversed - Adolf Hitler
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The best way to take control over a people and control them
utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode
rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible
reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights
and freedoms being removed until past the point at which
these changes cannot be reversed - Adolf Hitler
Perhaps my Dad was right then http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1184678429 :'(
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and no i do not smoke but i do believe this is the thin end of a very thick wedge.
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from TB
However, I think the recent ban is wrong, and the thin end of the wedge. Smokers have be banned from pubs, drinkers will be next. In fact, there have been a couple of moves by politians lately to start making drinking beer socially unacceptable....
I take it you are aware that the prices charged in bars in the house of commons is heavily discounted, one law for them............ :-? :-?
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Yep i smoke but what breaks me off more than anything is i use my meega on company business, i pay for insurance, running costs & the like & it don't come cheap. They tell me i can't smoke in MY CAR unless my private mileage is more than my business mileage, so have to cut down on smoking so i can afford the petrol >:( >:( >:(
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And they can smoke in the Commons..
I am keeping out of this as a smoker but do appreciate non smokers deserve fresh air..I also deserve what i want after all i pay my taxes the same as non smokers..I cant help it i said i would keep out of this..
Ban drinking every where..Then we shall see even the non smokers complaining after all even smokers have to put up with drunks etc.. Oh and dont forget about the new tax they will come up with to compensate for loss of revenue from tobacco..
Live and let live.. Non smokers keep away from me with your disgusting perfume/aftershave etc.. and i will keep my smoke from you... Childish sentence isnt it.. This is what is becoming of this country..us and them, Thats wrong..Dont come back to me ranting that you shouldnt have to put up with my smoke as i agree to that..
Rant over.. ;D ;D
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I'd be dead in a year...
Yeah, me too, but what a year it'd be! (trys in vain to recall his stag night in Amsterdam) :'(
What gets to me more than anything is that, with all the media attention this has got, there has to be a 6" square no smoking sign at the entrance to every enclosed public space proclaiming that smoking is prohibited. Most people wouldn't have dreamt of smoking there anyway in most cases.
If people hated smoking that badly, they would have stopped going to pubs where it was practiced. Pubs would have voluntarily banned it, or provided non smoking rooms to make up for the lost business. A happy medium would have developed as it does in most cases, without the meddlings of the nanny state. >:(
As it is, all the sad cases who used to spend the whole weekend in my local drinking lager, chain smoking and watching the footie (it's that sort of pub :() are now doing it in their own living rooms in front of their wives and children instead of in an adult environment.
Kevin
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It is absolutely wrong. No question.
The rights of both smokers and non-smokers alike should be respected. There are plenty of practical ways of segregating the two.
The government does indeed wish to control all aspects of our lives and, within this trend, no ban should be singled out as being OK, no matter how much those in approval clap their hands. The government relies on this vocal opinion, whether in a majority or not, to push through ever more invasive laws.
A pity most do not see it.
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....soooo am i the only one for the Ban....? ;D
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....soooo am i the only one for the Ban....? ;D
Errr. Looks like it. Taxi for Markie? ;D ;D ;D
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....soooo am i the only one for the Ban....? ;D
Err! Yes. I'm for live 'n' let live instead of of do as I say. ;)
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i dont smoke, never have, never tried it, cant say i'm seeing the effects of the ban as such, apart from the fact that when you're in a pub where you were so used to smelling smoke, all you smell now is sweat and fart!
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oh well, i`ll hang my head in shame..... ;D
well thats the great thing about opinions - none are right, none are wrong..im a very staunch anti smoking person. Doesnt make anyone that smokes a bad person..
but just think - smokers of the forum....40 fags or 5 litres of semi synth on trade ;D
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i dont smoke, never have, never tried it, cant say i'm seeing the effects of the ban as such, apart from the fact that when you're in a pub where you were so used to smelling smoke, all you smell now is sweat and fart!
LOL was sat in a pub the week after the ban came in. Group of girls were discussing it and came to the conclusion that instead of smoke all pubs now smelt of BO. So get a bath you scruffy non smokers. ;D
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Where can i get 5L of oil..oops said it, for £5.00, thats what i spend in a week.. ;D ;D ;D
As you said Markie, Everyones entitled to their opinion, i really do think of non smokers when im smoking and try not to annoy them after all why should you put up with horrible smoke, its my next challenge to give it up not for money but health reasons im 50 this year and its about time i acted more responsible.. :y
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Where can i get 5L of oil..oops said it, for £5.00, thats what i spend in a week.. ;D ;D ;D
As you said Markie, Everyones entitled to their opinion, i really do think of non smokers when im smoking and try not to annoy them after all why should you put up with horrible smoke, its my next challenge to give it up not for money but health reasons im 50 this year and its about time i acted more responsible.. :y
Like STMO you mean. ;D
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....do i smell :-[ someone be honest ;D ;D ;D
incidentally, im just about to go to bed, wifes letting the dogs out and she is at the back door.....with a cigarette ;D
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Where can i get 5L of oil..oops said it, for £5.00, thats what i spend in a week.. ;D ;D ;D
As you said Markie, Everyones entitled to their opinion, i really do think of non smokers when im smoking and try not to annoy them after all why should you put up with horrible smoke, its my next challenge to give it up not for money but health reasons im 50 this year and its about time i acted more responsible.. :y
Like STMO you mean. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Wonder where he is tonight its too bloody quiet.
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Probably reading his book of insults ready for tomorrow.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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LOL no doubt I'll cop it when he catches up on a few threads. ;D ;D
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LOL no doubt I'll cop it when he catches up on a few threads. ;D ;D
I will PM him now and point out your posts.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Does it count also, that if you have a gas engineer or tv repair man in your house, that becomes a place of work for him, we cant smoke?
THat is just being polite
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I am anti smoking too - it would be nice to rid the world of smoking and help the smokers get off their addiction.
Please note no mention of anti people but the act.
As to banning alcohol - that doesn't polute the air. In fact regular small alcohol intake is good for you :y
Very funny about the smellies though ;D
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Does it count also, that if you have a gas engineer or tv repair man in your house, that becomes a place of work for him, we cant smoke?
That is just being polite
Which is what most smokers would be!!!
This evening my wife had her hair cut at home. Her hairdresser and her have been friends since they were both at primary school. To the true letter of the law my wife wouldn't really be allowed to smoke in her own house because our house is the work place of her hairdresser! :o :o Geo Orwell was closer to the truth than he could possibly have thought when 1984 was written!!
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Does it count also, that if you have a gas engineer or tv repair man in your house, that becomes a place of work for him, we cant smoke?
That is just being polite
Which is what most smokers would be!!!
This evening my wife had her hair cut at home. Her hairdresser and her have been friends since they were both at primary school. To the true letter of the law my wife wouldn't really be allowed to smoke in her own house because our house is the work place of her hairdresser! :o :o Geo Orwell was closer to the truth than he could possibly have thought when 1984 was written!!
Most are a few are not - militant smokers get me - most smokers I know all want to give up - that says a lot!
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Most are a few are not - militant smokers get me - most smokers I know all want to give up - that says a lot!
They want to give up? Or they know that they should give up but ..... they really do still enjoy it, what ever the consequences? I enjoyed my cigarettes especiallaly the 'one after' ...... ::) and I could've been an Olympic medalist in the 'joys' of smoking. I think I limited myself to around 20/25 a day but when I went out for a pint I'd smoke a packet of Marlboro easily in the evening.
Having said that, when people at work have just come back from the smoking 'bus stops' they stink! But when people still had a choice of where/when they smoked it honestly never ever bothered me.
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I enjoyed my cigarettes especiallaly the 'one after' ...... ::)
WAY too much info.... :-X
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I enjoyed my cigarettes especiallaly the 'one after' ...... ::)
WAY too much info.... :-X
::) the one after breakfast, the one after dinner & the one after tea!!! I've no idea what you were thinking of!! ;D ;D ;D
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I think it's great, as mentioned we've had it in Scotland for over a year, and there have been few complaints or problems.
As some of you may know I'm a very social animal who likes clubbing at weekends, and although the thick smoke that used to be prevalent in most clubs didn't consciously bother me (probably because I'd become so used to it), I'm sure it wasn't doing my lungs much good. However the real killer was the absolute stench from my clothes and hair the next day, really quite disgusting :o.
So personally I think it's much more pleasant going to pubs and clubs now, and I fully agree with it. The main difference between smoking and alcohol is that smoke necessarily affects everyone in the vicinity, so even though I choose not to smoke I still had to breathe in the smoke of everyone else in the room, plus pick up the horrid stench. I may choose to poison myself with alcohol, but I don't force beer down the throat of teetotalers, nor do I spray their clothes with it so they smell of it.
One more thing I'm very glad to see the end of is being burned by cigarettes by careless people on crowded pubs or club dancefloors.
I went partying a few times in England before the ban came in down there, and it enlightened me to just how pervasive tobacco smoke is inside a building, as I'd become so used to everywhere being smoke-free.
The way I see it is: feel free to kill yourself with whatever your poison of choice may be, but don't force it upon others who don't share your choice. And in that regard I think the ban is completely justified.
BTW I'm not in favour of the nanny state in general, in fact I think having controls on "illicit" substances is generally counter-productive to society in general (see my point above about people harming themselves with their choice of poison). Anything that doesn't affect others is fair game IMO -- people can make their own choices, and criminalising things just creates a black market for it bringing a whole set of more serious issues.
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As a smoker, the ban doesn't bother me, I don't smoke in my house, car, pubs, restaurants, workplaces etc.
I do not like walking into an atmosphere full of smoke.
I have just come back from a cruise, you can smoke on ships as they are covered by maritime law.
Certain bars were smoke free, others you could smoke in, I only went into the smoke free ones. If I wanted to smoke, I went out on deck.
In fact, I much prefer to smoke outdoors.
....and if I smoke outdoors, how can I be affecting non smokers!
Sorry, anti-smokers, but don't get at me!
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Controversial me time ....
Completely agree with it - its frankly not enough. Smoking should be banned anywhere public.
You will see in time that the problem of smoking moves somewhere else with this new legislation - remember we have had this for a year in Scotland, and I CANT STAND weaving my way in and out and in and out to and from work in the city with all these office workers standing all over the pavement polluting the environment on mass because they cant smoke inside etc etc.
The ban should move to streets next.... >:(
Well you did ask ;D
As you can see from my address tag I live in Scotland, in fact I live here because I wanted too not due to birth.
I agree with personal choice but the ban on smoking in public would be very welcome by me. The ban on smoking in pubs and the rest is very good. Who wants to go out for a meal and some inconsiderate person on the next table lights a cigarette when you are about to eat. This has happened to me and mine both up here in Scotland and in England.
In all my 'employment life' the work place has been a non-smoking area. The partakers of the weed have had to make an effort to go outside to a designated 'smoking area'. The smokers get 'smoke breaks' then non-smokers keep working. If you were to arrive late for work by 15 mins (average time to smoke a 'fag' suppose) why do some employers deduct wage for this and not from smokers going out for a 'fag'?
One of the posters said about banning smoking in a submarine, all I ask is have they been in a Submarine? Speaking from experience fire on a sub is one of the greatest killers. So getting rid of a source of possible ignition can only be a good thing. Alcohol is also banned ( along with other more anti social things).
Another posed question was about air conditioning taking away the smoke. Yes they would, but a lot of air cons in pubs are not serviced as much as they possibly should be. :o The internal filters will get caked with the crap given from cigarettes over time. These in turn do not get changed and then you get more problems.
As Markie says I cannot stand weaving in and out of the crowd of smokers and if there is nothing more sad to see is a smoker soaked to the skin trying to light a smoke. We have seen the reports about the effects of smoking, true or not,
There has been a lot of reports about the smoking ban in poor old England, we had them over 18 months ago now, with stories of pubs going out of business. I am sure that some did have a hard time.On the positive side there were many people, who did not want to be in a smoky room, have/are now going to pubs to eat good food.
Give the smoking ban a chance, yours, mine and every ones health can only benefit.
DaveL
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who started this thread ;D ;D ;D
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One of the posters said about banning smoking in a submarine, all I ask is have they been in a Submarine? Speaking from experience fire on a sub is one of the greatest killers. So getting rid of a source of possible ignition can only be a good thing. Alcohol is also banned ( along with other more anti social things) ........
Have I been on a 'boat'? Not to sea in one, but yes I have. I went drinking alcohol on one in Faslane.
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As a smoker, the ban doesn't bother me, I don't smoke in my house, car, pubs, restaurants, workplaces etc.
I do not like walking into an atmosphere full of smoke.
I have just come back from a cruise, you can smoke on ships as they are covered by maritime law.
Certain bars were smoke free, others you could smoke in, I only went into the smoke free ones. If I wanted to smoke, I went out on deck.
In fact, I much prefer to smoke outdoors.
....and if I smoke outdoors, how can I be affecting non smokers!
Sorry, anti-smokers, but don't get at me!
Fair enough - one I have come across are people who smoke while eating, and another smoker wondered why because they thought they ruined each other.
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Zyban works :y
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Zyban works :y
I know ;) ....... but my doctor was a bit reluctant to prescribe it, as it can cause problems to do with the heart in some people. A paramedic died due to the effects of taking it.
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Zyban works :y
I know ;) ....... but my doctor was a bit reluctant to prescribe it, as it can cause problems to do with the heart in some people. A paramedic died due to the effects of taking it.
Cured my mother-in-law
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Aaahhhhhggg..........don't get me on my soapbox!!!! ::)
I was always lead to believe that we lived in a "democratic" society whereby the population are given a say on issues affecting the whole country, but not any more. >:( We now get told what we can and what we can't do without the right to choose, and in my book that makes this country a nanny state.
Yes I am a smoker, however, I do agree with no smoking in certain public places such as restaurants, cinema's etc. but a total ban such as we have now is just totally unacceptable. They should have allowed publicans to either choose to be completely smoking or non-smoking, or have seperated areas within. One of my best friends is the landlord of my local pub that doesn't do food and the majority of patrons are smokers. He has very efficient smoke extractors and air conditioning throughout the pub and smoke was never a problem even for the majority of non-smokers. His trade has fallen by over 50% since the ban despite spending thousands of punds in order to provide a comfortable covered and heated smoking area outside. How long will it be before we see large numbers of pubs going out of business because of this governments steamroller tactics.
As someone else mentioned, they have designated smoking area WITHIN the House of Commons too, so as usual it one rule for them and another for us >:(
Ok ok, I'll get me coat ;D
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Aaahhhhhggg..........don't get me on my soapbox!!!! ::)
As someone else mentioned, they have designated smoking area WITHIN the House of Commons too, so as usual it one rule for them and another for us >:(
Ok ok, I'll get me coat ;D
It should be more enforced in the house of commons! >:(
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I don't cause a nuisance to non-smokers, I put my spent cigarettes into litter bins (after carefully making sure they are out), unlike gum chewers, and takeaway users, discarding unwanted gum and food all over the place, encouraging vermin.
I don't have to mug old ladies to fund my habit like druggies, and if I smoke too many in a day, I don't puke my guts up all over everywhere (like binge drinkers).
I agree with not smoking indoors in public places, as I never do, so that doesn't affect me.
And if all you non-smokers are frightened of catching something off us smokers, I suggest you all give up your cars, don't fly on planes anymore, stop f**t**g to help stop polluting the atmosphere.
My last word.
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And if all you non-smokers are frightened of catching something off us smokers, I suggest you all give up your cars, don't fly on planes anymore, stop f**t**g to help stop polluting the atmosphere.
Funny as it may sound, a major contribution to pollution/global warming is due to the methane (farts) emmitted by the world's cattle and other livestock! :-?
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So personally I think it's much more pleasant going to pubs and clubs now, and I fully agree with it. The main difference between smoking and alcohol is that smoke necessarily affects everyone in the vicinity, so even though I choose not to smoke I still had to breathe in the smoke of everyone else in the room, plus pick up the horrid stench. I may choose to poison myself with alcohol, but I don't force beer down the throat of teetotalers, nor do I spray their clothes with it so they smell of it.
The trouble is, and you can begin to see it happen already, is that the propoganda will be put in place that makes drinking as unacceptable as smoking. You wait, groups of lads at the bar having a quiet(ish!) drink will become outcasts, disturbing the peace and quiet in pubs restuarants, and thus, no drinking in pubs restuarants.
I agree, apart from the odd smack in the chops from a drunk, others drinking does not affect my health (although the effects of smoking are not truely known - there is (possibly) an increased risk of lung cancer and heart disease, not a dead cert it will happen despite what the government and 'new style' BBC would have you believe).
The authorities are beginning to poise themselves for a 'drinking is more dangerous thing than smoking' type campaign - in fact they are probably right, as drink related illnesses are probably easier to prove than alledged smoking related illness.
As said, I am, and always (almost ;)) have been, a non smoker. I never particularly liked heavy smoke, but if it bothered me that much, I should go to another, less smoky bar. The fact that the 'smoke free' pubs (and the alcohol free pubs) I know of failed shows that it couldn't have been as much of an issue as authorities made out.
We've had probably 10yrs of anti-smoking campaigns, I think the anti-drinking campaigns are about to start....
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What I find the most amazing thing here is that the majority of OOF members who have voiced an opinion have agreed that, whilst smoking is a bad thing and is antisocial, the ban on smoking in all public places is inequitable. I know and appreciate that there are a couple of members who say that the ban is correct.
I am a smoker and at various times I have quit for lenthy periods, the longest being about 18 months. I have no problem whatsoever with individuals or organisations who ban smoking in their premises. I tend not to smoke in my own house when we have visitors who don't smoke.
What I absolutley object to is the government passing a law that says that if I or anyone else chooses to allow smoking in my or their workplace we are not allowed to. As The Boy and others have said, there have been non smoking bars and retaurants for years. If this was such a popular option then every public place would be no-smoking and there would be no need for legislation. The fact is that this is unpopular but it is being forced on society regardless.
Unless people who care about civil liberties take a stand and do something about this now then what will be next? Driving? Drinking? Fishing? Your guess is as good as mine but this will not be the end. If you don't believe me you only have to think how ludicrous the thought of banning smoking in all public places would have been 10 years ago.
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Agree with all that has been said regarding government meddling. Their legislation makes no assumption that anyone has any common sense and can weigh up the risks and decide for themselves about any aspect of their lives. They clearly consider they are the exception in this matter, having failed to ban smoking in the commons.
what will be next? Driving? Drinking? Fishing?
Quite possibly. We have got a ban on fox hunting for no good reason than that a few single issue lobbyists decided they didn't like it. Nobody was forcing them to be a part of it. One could make exactly the same arguments about fishing IMHO.
Driving is being dumbed down to the point that we all drive by the numbers on the signs rather than exercise any judgement of our own. If it weren't for the fact that successive governments have destroyed the public transport infrastructure they would be saying that we shouldn't drive, but get on a bus / train and leave the driving to a professional "for our own good".
Drinking is already in the sights as mentioned.
There won't be much left to enjoy in this country at this rate.
Kevin
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Agree with all that has been said regarding government meddling. Their legislation makes no assumption that anyone has any common sense and can weigh up the risks and decide for themselves about any aspect of their lives. They clearly consider they are the exception in this matter, having failed to ban smoking in the commons.
what will be next? Driving? Drinking? Fishing?
Quite possibly. We have got a ban on fox hunting for no good reason than that a few single issue lobbyists decided they didn't like it. Nobody was forcing them to be a part of it. One could make exactly the same arguments about fishing IMHO.
Driving is being dumbed down to the point that we all drive by the numbers on the signs rather than exercise any judgement of our own. If it weren't for the fact that successive governments have destroyed the public transport infrastructure they would be saying that we shouldn't drive, but get on a bus / train and leave the driving to a professional "for our own good".
Drinking is already in the sights as mentioned.
There won't be much left to enjoy in this country at this rate.
Kevin
I said, 'Fox hunting debate is next week' ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I said, 'Fox hunting debate is next week'
Oops! I'll have to start an oil thread instead! Ahh, they've banned them too? :-X
Kevin
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Oils well that ends well. ;D ;D ;D
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Well the one thing I do not understand about the smoking ban is the complete ban on smoking rooms - now this bit is stupid, a room where they can all gas themselves in peace and quiet without blocking pavements, and without bothering non smokers is backwards thinking, due to the smoking ban we now get smokers outside our office from the next door disabled bathroom place smoking outside and it blows in through my window!!!!
Forcing them all outside has this bad side effect
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smoking outside and it blows in through my window!!!!
Yeah, this is a real nightmare, and worse than having a dedicated room inside the building. Used to have the office above goods inwards. With the window open, every courier van that turned up, driver got out, sparked up >:( Either that or they left their engine running and we got tractor fumes >:(
Then they moved my office to the back of the building :y and built a smoking shelter the other side of the car park :(. Still there's air con now, so that runs 24/7 and the windows stay shut.
This is coming from someone who has been known to imbibe too ::)
Kevin