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Chat Area => Omega Gallery => Topic started by: VX1 on 05 November 2008, 21:35:06
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This is my car with the new lgihts in.
This is the before look.
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/vauxhallomega1/hids001.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/vauxhallomega1/hids002.jpg)
And now after the fitment.........
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/vauxhallomega1/hids003.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/vauxhallomega1/hids004.jpg)
And with the side light LED's
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/vauxhallomega1/hids005.jpg)
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/vauxhallomega1/hids006.jpg)
Paul :y
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are those led sidelights standard fitting?
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No I got them with the hid kit I bought. The kit I bought and the bulbs I wanted the guy was out of stock so he gave me the led side lights free of charge cos I waited a little longer for the right kit.
Paul :y
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It's illegal to fit thouse chineese HID sets to normal H1 or H4 headlamps.
Thouse headlamps are designed for normal H1 or H4 bulbes only.
It's much better to buy oryginal set of used D2S headlamps...
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There not chinese hid kits uk supplier uk made.
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So Paul, does that mean you have HID dipped and HID main beam then? Or just dipped like the standard?
Humpy
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Ah......... just dipped for now. Trouble is not much room in the engine bay of a 3.0ltr, found it a bit difficult to find somewhere to put the ballasts' but found somewhere.
Paul :y
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There not chinese hid kits uk supplier uk made.
That doesn't matter. Those are not oryginally fitted. The optical parameters of your headlamps are not designed fot HID. Thats very important. In case of car accident you may be accused of blineding opposite driver. It's danger for others drivers.
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They are totally legal to have aftermarket hids kits fitted as long as you have high pressure washer jets,which I have on the car as standard as its an elite, The xenon headlights on a 98 model elite are exactly the same as normal projector haedlights as the pattern is the same through out so making them not illegal. If they are e-marked they are legal if they are not e-marked they are not legal. I have done my home work and investigated into this and I am not the sort of person who would fit some that is illegal. I have spoken to someone who is in this line of business and has told me that it is perfectly to fit aftermarket hid kits to a vehicle as long as the vehicle is fitted with high pressure washer jets, which mine has.
Paul
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It's illegal to fit thouse chineese HID sets to normal H1 or H4 headlamps.
Thouse headlamps are designed for normal H1 or H4 bulbes only.
It's much better to buy oryginal set of used D2S headlamps...
As you have stated thats it's illegal to fit chinese hid sets then you say it doesn't matter whether theyre chinese or not, slight contridiction there don't you think?
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The xenon headlights on a 98 model elite are exactly the same as normal projector haedlights as the pattern is the same
They are not the same. I've striped them both down.
Well, it's up to you...
Good luck.
P.S If you get 55W-bulb headlamp and put 110W bulb inside it, they would be still e-marked headlamps. Is it OK for you??
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The xenon headlights on a 98 model elite are exactly the same as normal projector headlights as the pattern is the same
They are not the same. I've striped them both down.
Well, it's up to you...
Good luck.
P.S If you get 55W-bulb headlamp and put 110W bulb inside it, they would be still e-marked headlamps. Is it OK for you??
Thats right it would be illegal if you put bulbs in a headlight that are 110w as these type of bulbs are for off road use only not for normal driving an normal roads. The hid kits are 35w instead of 55w, so the bulb is a lower wattage. The headlights are the same the only difference is the ballast pack that is fitted to the headlight directly, on omegas from 98 onwards, and thats the high spec cars. If you have stripped both lights down you will see that its the only difference between them. If you think that this is illegal then you should let other forum members that have them fitted know about this too plus there cars have passed there mot in this country without any problems. It may be different in your country but not here.
P.s I have projector headlights fitted to my car as well.
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What type of LED bulb did they supply as the picture makes them look really bright.I am trying to source a decent set of side light bulbs that are close to the Xenon headlights fitted to Elites (h.i.d.)
Do you know if the side light leds are legal and would pass MOT.?
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are those led sidelights standard fitting?
Sorry mate missundersttod what you said. Yes they are standard fitment. They are the 501 bulb.
HTH
Paul
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What type of LED bulb did they supply as the picture makes them look really bright.I am trying to source a decent set of side light bulbs that are close to the Xenon headlights fitted to Elites (h.i.d.)
Do you know if the side light leds are legal and would pass MOT.?
They supplied me with the six led bulb which is the 501 sidelight bulb. There not any brighter just have 6 leds on the bulb which makes it look brighter, still only a 5w bulb. HTH
Paul :y
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The xenon headlights on a 98 model elite are exactly the same as normal projector headlights as the pattern is the same
They are not the same. I've striped them both down.
Well, it's up to you...
Good luck.
P.S If you get 55W-bulb headlamp and put 110W bulb inside it, they would be still e-marked headlamps. Is it OK for you??
The headlights are the same the only difference is the ballast pack that is fitted to the headlight directly, on omegas from 98 onwards, and thats the high spec cars. If you have stripped both lights down you will see that its the only difference between them.
Thats bullshiet.
Inside xenon headlamp, there is D2S socket lens, just like this:
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1442/soczzd5.jpg)
And this is projektor headlamp lens, with H1 socket in it:
(http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3486/1917417682xv8.jpg)
The H1 headlamp is designed only for H1 bulb and only 55W. Nothing more, nothing less. it's be cause of different shape and different focal llength of each lens.
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In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).
For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:
Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
So, the headlamp must be e-marked with "xenon D2S" sign, not H1.
If you put HID instead of H1 to your headlamp you are against the law.
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In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).
For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:
Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
So, the headlamp must be e-marked with "xenon D2S" sign, not H1.
If you put HID instead of H1 to your headlamp you are against the law.
yes you are correct, however (and this is really splitting hairs here) the chances of getting stopped by the police is very slim unless the headlights were so badly adjusted that blinded the police.
Because many Omegas were fitted with HIDs as standard most police would give the car a second look.
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Whilst the above is technically true, once a vehicle is registered for use on the road in the UK the type approval status of its' components is unlikely to ever be checked.
At a yearly MOT inspection the requirements for the headlamps are that they are of substantially the same brightness and colour, in serviceable condition and that they have the correct beam pattern. There are defined "reasons for failure" and having aftermarket HIDs is not one of them, so if aligned correctly I think you'll have no problems.
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_120.htm
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_160.htm
Kevin
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My point is:
If you would like to have xenon headlamps - buy a second hand set of oryginal D2S lamps (hella), not dodgy HID set for projektor lamps...
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My point is:
If you would like to have xenon headlamps - buy a second hand set of oryginal D2S lamps (hella), not dodgy HID set for projektor lamps...
Agreed. That would be the best route but then you need to fit the whole self-levelling setup otherwise you have no mechanism to adjust them at all. (and you would really need a means of dipping them a little with a full load, otherwise you'd be upsetting people).
Kevin
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My point is:
If you would like to have xenon headlamps - buy a second hand set of oryginal D2S lamps (hella), not dodgy HID set for projektor lamps...
Which is still not correct, the Omega's fitted with HID's as standard will have front and rear sensors driving a headlamp ECU controlling the leveling motors. So just fitting original HID headlamp units isn't the full story.
EDIT: You beat me to it Kevin!
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And just to add further "mud to the water"..is it illegal to fit led 501 type bulbs to the side light fitting..would this be a police issue or would it be a mot issue..or both ?
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And just to add further "mud to the water"..is it illegal to fit led 501 type bulbs to the side light fitting..would this be a police issue or would it be a mot issue..or both ?
Again, it's a grey area. UK regs don't cover them but it doesn't stop Audi et al selling cars with a strip of "gay"(IMHO) white LEDs above the headlights as sidelights.
I suspect an MOT tester would take a pragmatic approach that if it's working and has comparable light output that is actually white and not blue (which is a no-no) it would be OK.
I'm tempted to get some of those myself, not for any other reason than that I seem to be constantly replacing sidelight bulbs at the moment. Mrs. KWs MX-5 is eating them. Perhaps I should check the charging voltage isn't too high. :-?
Kevin
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From the earlier pictures they seem to give a whiter light and are a much better contrast with the standard omega HID xenons,and I also see no reason why they should create an issue at mot time(but could always swap with the yellowish std 501,s.
Think will get a set from Halfords who sell them as 4 led "not for road use" to cover themselves..about £7=00 a pair if I remember from my last look.
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On a separate note and trying to calm things down a bit, what headlight bulbs would I have in my 1998 2.5 CD Estate (projectors).
Thanks
Mike
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On a separate note and trying to calm things down a bit, what headlight bulbs would I have in my 1998 2.5 CD Estate (projectors).
Thanks
Mike
h1 dipped beam h7 main beam 501 sidelights :y
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Thanks marky mark, kevin and VXL6 for the form of back up to the hid saga. As I know that just fitting a reasonable pair of secondhand HID headlights is not just plug and play and they tend to be very expensive for the whole kit and kabudle so spending the £60 delivered against maybe £200 for everything is the best and cheapest option for me. Unlike some people may be in high paid jobs and able to afford upgrades like that but in reality thats just not the case for me so therefore I chose the cheaper option.
All I done was post in the gallery section to other forum members to see what a difference there is between the two types of light. Some people think its a great upgrade but then there are some people who are dead against it and tell you that you are committing an offence for fitting them. This I do not appreciate and being told that I am breaking the law and its 100% illegal to have them on the car. If people don't like it then they should keep there opinions to themselves. Also surely modifying a complete headlight that is not designed for the car i.e takening out the original parts and replacing them with other parts from a different car altogether is illegal too or am I way out of my league here and just going to cause a frackard?
Plus just to add I do have level control inside the car and have the means to clean the headlights with headlight washer jets in front, plus the hid bulbs are H1, so I am inline with the current regs.
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I personaly think they look fine and anything that improves your visibility and contributes to your ability to drive a car safely,gets my thumbs up.
The law should concentrate on those motoring offences that are a danger,and fitting better headlights is not one,in my book.
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At the end of the day you have clear lensed lamps and the ability to alter the level through the manual control on the light switch. :y
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Excatly mind point as well but you know some people...................
Paul :y
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I personaly think they look fine and anything that improves your visibility and contributes to your ability to drive a car safely,gets my thumbs up.
The law should concentrate on those motoring offences that are a danger,and fitting better headlights is not one,in my book.
i agree completly anything you can do to make your car more visable is a very good thing ! :y they do look well bud 8-)
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Thanks Marky mark top banana :y. I think they look good as well. Not been out to test them properly yet but will be soon. Tomorrow evening.
Paul :y
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Thanks Marky mark top banana :y. I think they look good as well. Not been out to test them properly yet but will be soon. Tomorrow evening.
Paul :y
wait till you see my new ones ! black with hids retro fitted inside !!
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Should look awesome!! :y
Paul :y
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mine is 97 and I've been using philips HID KIT for more than 2 years..
very good vision and no complaining from other drivers :y
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as long as you dont inconvenience other dirvers with them, enjoy the bright lights.
I feel it necessary to point out that just because someone warns about a possible legal implication of a modification does not mean they are trying to get at you.
The (what started as) friendly piece of advice was clearly intended to fore-warn you and hopefully shield you from any trouble the police might give you.
happy posting :)
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Well I have been out recently with the car and what an improvement, I can see where I am going now and see whats in the road now 8-). Best modification I have done so far :y And I have had no oncoming motorist flash me either.
Paul :y