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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: sophos9 on 16 July 2007, 16:02:38
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Hi,
Picked up a 2003 2.2 Vectra SRI on the weekend for the missus – the car is lovely and was flawless over the 260 mile return journey
I just got a text from her saying she has seen some light up on the dash, the car is running fine so was hoping for some help
Ok, the first light that flashed on was the ABS light, only momentarily
Second light was the battery light which flashed on several times, she said when this happened the dials went mental
Third light that flashed up was a triangle with skid marks on it (traction control?)
Do you have any idea what may have caused this and how I can start diagnosing??
Many thanks in advance
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Sounds like the alternator might be playing up......this will cause strange instrument and ECu behaviour.
A quick code read would confirm this (if Vectra C its CAN bus!)
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Hey fella, last time I heard from you you had just had your Omega totalled, everything OK now?
Thanks for that, I guess its a trip to Vx then or do you have any recommendations on a OBDII CANdi code reader?
I guess the circuit will be over charging if there is a problem, will load up the electrics and test tonight, what is the normal alternator fault?
Bummer these newer cars, bring back the paperclip!
Cheers
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Car has gone to the great scrapper in the sky......and replaced with AllenM's car......which is still running ok although the exhaust baffles have gone (exhaust is only 18 months old from Formula 1 auto centres!).
If you can get the light to come on, measure the battery charging voltage with the engine revving above 2000rpm....it should not be more than about 14.5V.....if it is then the alternator reg is goosed. Do this with minimal other electric loads turned on.
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Nice one! Thanks for the help....
Any recommendations on code readers?
Latest report 20 miles later is that when she jumped in the car, all is fine? Will test the charging tonight.
Clutching at straws, is there any possibility of a lose connection or bad earth?
Wish this forum had a Vectra forum!!
Thanks again
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Nice one! Thanks for the help....
Any recommendations on code readers?
Latest report 20 miles later is that when she jumped in the car, all is fine? Will test the charging tonight.
Clutching at straws, is there any possibility of a lose connection or bad earth?
Wish this forum had a Vectra forum!!
Thanks again
Have you found this site? http://forum.vectra-c.com/
Its worth a peek.....some handy how to's :y
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Hi mate, just signed up to it!! Everybody is saying charging problems.... Bloomin car has not done it since! :o
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Just measured charging current - 14.1v which is within spec, battery under load performs fine. Infact the only thing I could find is that the rubber sealing cap had come of the passenger side light :P
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Just measured charging current - 14.1v which is within spec, battery under load performs fine. Infact the only thing I could find is that the rubber sealing cap had come of the passenger side light :P
You mean voltage ;)
Seems fine - same when revving at about 2.5k?
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What a nugget! Yep, tested the car at 2k, totally fine....? Guess will have to wait until something starts to pack up more?
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What a nugget! Yep, tested the car at 2k, totally fine....? Guess will have to wait until something starts to pack up more?
Or get the codes read (need a decent reader to read non engine codes though)
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Or get the codes read (need a decent reader to read non engine codes though)
Do you know of any good readers you can recommend? Was looking at the ELM interface (which is usb), does CANdi and all that :o
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Or get the codes read (need a decent reader to read non engine codes though)
Do you know of any good readers you can recommend? Was looking at the ELM interface (which is usb), does CANdi and all that :o
Its not just the interface with ELM interfaces, but the software. All the decent software costs a fortune, and is usually tied to interface for antipiracy....
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Its not just the interface with ELM interfaces, but the software. All the decent software costs a fortune, and is usually tied to interface for antipiracy....
Not worth it then? Do you know of/recommend any good readers?
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Have seen this one (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CAN-Bus-OBDII-OBD2-Trouble-Code-Reader-Scanner-U580_W0QQitemZ300130476878QQihZ020QQcategoryZ30921QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on eBay, is CAN, what do you think?
Would be good to be able to reprogramme but I guess you only get these features with 'proper tools' like tech2?
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and this company offers a PC based tech2 kit for £39?
http://www.ajdirect.co.uk/tech2-usb-diagnostics-kit-for-vauxhall-opel-p-197.html (http://www.ajdirect.co.uk/tech2-usb-diagnostics-kit-for-vauxhall-opel-p-197.html)
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First one would certainly do engine codes, the second one looks dodgy and does not mention CAN interface.
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Thanks for that Mark, the second one is not CAN compatible.
I'm torn at the minute, the first one looks like a nice thing but I would want it to reset service and airbag lights and I'm not sure if it does transmission, climate control, central locking, alarm codes etc?
Really I would like to view stored errors codes for trans, climate, alarm, engine etc etc, reset airbag, service and EMS lights and view real time sensor feedback but most suppliers seem quite sketchy - I've just email www.talktomycar.co.uk.
I've been searching around and saw your posts on the cheapo tech2 with Hungarian software plus the ELM interfaces - what did you end up using (I guess a GM tech2 lucky bugga :y)
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Service light is easy to reset........press and hold the oddometer button whilst turning the igntion on AND pressing the brake pedal.
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Service light is easy to reset........press and hold the oddometer button whilst turning the igntion on AND pressing the brake pedal.
Any ideas on what gets reset if you dont press the brake pedal? Coz i dont press the brake pedal on my veccyc to reset service indicator......but it comes back on after usually between 1k - 3k miles....i was thinking something had gone iffy and dont bother to reset it anymore.
I'll try the brake pedal as well to see if it makes a difference.
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Have seen this one (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CAN-Bus-OBDII-OBD2-Trouble-Code-Reader-Scanner-U580_W0QQitemZ300130476878QQihZ020QQcategoryZ30921QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) on eBay, is CAN, what do you think?
Would be good to be able to reprogramme but I guess you only get these features with 'proper tools' like tech2?
All low cost generic readers can only do engine, so depends what you want to do...
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All low cost generic readers can only do engine, so depends what you want to do...
Hi mate, just got an email from Mark at Talk-To-My-Car advising of a new product called "My Naff Code Reader" which works for most Opel/Vx cards (inc CAN-BUS) and reads codes for engine, Automatic Transmission, ABS, Airbag, Engine Cooling module, Instrument Cluster, Electronic Climate Control, Body Control Unit etc etc
It apparently also does key reprogramming, output tests etc
Do you know anything about "My Naff Code Reader", price is good and am in discussions about one at the minute...?
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All low cost generic readers can only do engine, so depends what you want to do...
Hi mate, just got an email from Mark at Talk-To-My-Car advising of a new product called "My Naff Code Reader" which works for most Opel/Vx cards (inc CAN-BUS) and reads codes for engine, Automatic Transmission, ABS, Airbag, Engine Cooling module, Instrument Cluster, Electronic Climate Control, Body Control Unit etc etc
It apparently also does key reprogramming, output tests etc
Do you know anything about "My Naff Code Reader", price is good and am in discussions about one at the minute...?
Let me know the price please.....depending i could be interested :y
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Let me know the price please.....depending i could be interested :y
Hi mate, I've had quite a few PM's from other users wanting to know more so I have asked Mike about group rates
Some more pleasing info!!
Covers almost all Opel cars, even new cars
With CAN- BUS based diagnostic, such as Vectra-C, Astra-H, Zafira-B.
The unit will report the fault state and feedback of the activated output. This will helps you to find the failed components more easily.
With "My Naff Code Reader", you can map keys to the immobiliser, and remote keys to the central door locking, you can also reset, and program the following immobiliser related items: ECM, BCM, IPC (you will need the vehicle security code, which can be found on the CAR-PASS)
You can also reset, and program the Service interval reminder on Astra-G, Zafira, Corsa-C, Meriva
You can code SAB6, and SAB8 airbags with the software.
The diagnostic interface is USB port based, so there will be NO COMPATIBILITY ISSUES, with serial to USB converters.
The program lets you to read out and clear fault codes, shows you live data, lets you to perform output test, and supports remote, and key programming.
Since Opel uses many pin in the OBD connector, the diagnostic interface works as a multiplexer, and selects the appropriate pin for communication.
PIN3, PIN7, PIN8, PIN12 = Serial Link (ISO9141, KW81, KW82, KWP2000)
Fault codes will be shown with all available information:
Full fault code text description
Full status information (Present, Not present, Intermittent)
You can print out, save, or copy the fault codes to any other application.
From the fault codes window, you can go directly to the measuring blocks window.
The program shows you measuring block information on many control module, you can choose anything from the list on your own. The program is capable of showing 8 measuring block parameter simultaneously. The sample rate is depends mostly on the communication protocol. For example, older system, like Omega-B X 25 DT Engine (ISO-9141-2) can be very slow, during communication, while newer Multec, or Bosch units are faster (using KWP-2000) , and the newest CAN based control units are very fast!
You can also run output tests on many controllers.
PIN6-PIN14
PIN3-PIN11
PIN1
HSCAN-Dual-wire, High Speed CAN- BUS, 500 kbps
MSCAN-Dual-wire, Medium Speed CAN- BUS, 95 kbps
SWCAN-Single-wire, Low Speed CAN- BUS, 33. 3 kbps
Current price is £200, will see if I can get it down....
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Have a word with Iggy21, he has one...
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And if anyone has "My Naff Code Reader" and wants to lend so I can compare to real thing.... ;)
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Cheers mate, just sent him a PM... Just out of interest, how come you have a tech2 at home, you minted? :P
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Cheers mate, just sent him a PM... Just out of interest, how come you have a tech2 at home, you minted? :P
Until I sell one, I have 2 of the things ;D
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Cheeky boy!
You run your own garage? Does the one you are selling come with a CANdi module - what sort of price range?
1 - £100-£500
2 - £500-£1000
3 - £1000-£2000
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Cheeky boy!
You run your own garage? Does the one you are selling come with a CANdi module - what sort of price range?
1 - £100-£500
2 - £500-£1000
3 - £1000-£2000
The one for sale is not with CANdi. Price range is 3...
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Cheers mate, can forget about that straight away then! You thought about gaybay? Rarely see them come up an the ones that do go for good money?
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have a Opel Auto-Scanner not "My Naff Code Reader".
Going from memory I think the "My Naff Code Reader" is a copy of the Opel Auto-Scanner. [ I could be wrong]
The problem is if it is it comes with a very early version of the software and you won't get any updates.
lots of bugs I'm told. Something simliar was on fleabay for around £90.00 + /- with same problem.
The Opel Auto-Scanner has a serial number that matches the software. I you try it with incorrect serial it says 'disabled' contact supplier.
Opel Auto-Scanner works for me. Only two UK suppliers - talktomycar is not one.
I'm on the third software update - more features -more cars covered. The guy who make it was looking for some Monaro info???
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have a Opel Auto-Scanner not "My Naff Code Reader".
Going from memory I think the "My Naff Code Reader" is a copy of the Opel Auto-Scanner. [ I could be wrong]
The problem is if it is it comes with a very early version of the software and you won't get any updates.
lots of bugs I'm told. Something simliar was on fleabay for around £90.00 + /- with same problem.
The Opel Auto-Scanner has a serial number that matches the software. I you try it with incorrect serial it says 'disabled' contact supplier.
Opel Auto-Scanner works for me. Only two UK suppliers - talktomycar is not one.
I'm on the third software update - more features -more cars covered. The guy who make it was looking for some Monaro info???
Iggy....can yours program keys? Also i seem to remember your was a bit more than £200 ? :-/
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Hi fella,
I've got hold of the software from here (http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_en.html), not sure about the interface, some Chinese thing I reckon
Look familiar?
This programmes keys, immobiliser and airbag functions....
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Hi fella,
I've got hold of the software from here (http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_en.html), not sure about the interface, some Chinese thing I reckon
Look familiar?
This programmes keys, immobiliser and airbag functions....
That software will not work with the Opel Autoscanner.
That the software that comes with Chinese copies.
See distributor list for genuine copy in UK last look £500+ with the finished copy of the software in English.
My Opel Autoscanner cost £240.00 but I think the guy got landed with customs charges after I paid
I'm well happy seems to do keys but for my car I dont have a car pass only a scap of paper with - radio code, cd code, key code, one missing ???
might lash out and get a car pass ???
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Hi fella,
I've got hold of the software from here (http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_en.html), not sure about the interface, some Chinese thing I reckon
Look familiar?
This programmes keys, immobiliser and airbag functions....
That software will not work with the Opel Autoscanner.
That the software that comes with Chinese copies.
See distributor list for genuine copy in UK last look £500+ with the finished copy of the software in English.
My Opel Autoscanner cost £240.00 but I think the guy got landed with customs charges after I paid
I'm well happy seems to do keys but for my car I dont have a car pass only a scap of paper with - radio code, cd code, key code, one missing ???
might lash out and get a car pass ???
Is the key code a 4 digit number, or 5, starting with a letter?
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You are right mate, this is the chinese copy, the UK version is VAUX-COM. Not good if you buy the interface then cannot get your hands on the software hey?
iLexa do the VAUX-COM (http://www.ilexa.co.uk/Web_Shop/index.php?cPath=26) for £460 with free software updates, do you think buying this you may get caught with your pants down?
The other I was looking at was either a Gendan Pack (http://www.enginecheck.co.uk/order.php) which comes with an ELM CAN interface, cons are not immob programming, no airbag programming and no manual sensor output fettling. The other is a U581 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CAN-Bus-OBDII-OBD2-Trouble-Code-Reader-Scanner-U581_W0QQitemZ300131375255QQihZ020QQcategoryZ30921QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) which does live testing etc
What would you do?
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What would you do?
Buy a Tech2 ;)
They are so good, I bought 2 :P
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Walked into that one, can you do one for £200 :y
Seriously mate, I cannot decide and need help, you know your stuff - what do you think?
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Walked into that one, can you do one for £200 :y
Seriously mate, I cannot decide and need help, you know your stuff - what do you think?
All joking aside, I considered (and still am) some of these options, but worried about the same things you are - mainly ongoing support/updates etc
The Tech2 just works. Anything that is reverse engineered from it is always going to have issues, esp if that reverse engineering is done by a single person....
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Hi fella,
I've got hold of the software from here (http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_en.html), not sure about the interface, some Chinese thing I reckon
Look familiar?
This programmes keys, immobiliser and airbag functions....
That software will not work with the Opel Autoscanner.
That the software that comes with Chinese copies.
See distributor list for genuine copy in UK last look £500+ with the finished copy of the software in English.
My Opel Autoscanner cost £240.00 but I think the guy got landed with customs charges after I paid
I'm well happy seems to do keys but for my car I dont have a car pass only a scap of paper with - radio code, cd code, key code, one missing ???
might lash out and get a car pass ???
EC - HNNNN - n being numbers
Ex company car - 'the boy' may now who
Ian
Key
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Hi fella,
I've got hold of the software from here (http://www.vezerdiagnosztika.hu/index_en.html), not sure about the interface, some Chinese thing I reckon
Look familiar?
This programmes keys, immobiliser and airbag functions....
That software will not work with the Opel Autoscanner.
That the software that comes with Chinese copies.
See distributor list for genuine copy in UK last look £500+ with the finished copy of the software in English.
My Opel Autoscanner cost £240.00 but I think the guy got landed with customs charges after I paid
I'm well happy seems to do keys but for my car I dont have a car pass only a scap of paper with - radio code, cd code, key code, one missing ???
might lash out and get a car pass ???
EC - HNNNN - n being numbers
Ex company car - 'the boy' may now who
Ian
Key
Thats mechanical key number, so need carpass for immobiliser pin :(
Would it be ex-fleet? Try calling them, they may have the PIN, esp the centre where it was serviced?
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Walked into that one, can you do one for £200 :y
Seriously mate, I cannot decide and need help, you know your stuff - what do you think?
I think it depends how much your going to use it.
Don't think anyone else can decide 4U
OK! lash ok on a genuine tech 2 :y
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Cheers, I'm looking to use it for personal and to help out whoever is in this area, I guess for that it would just need to report engine codes, freeze frame and live capture which the two cheaper ones do.
I think I'm going to look into the ELM327 with EngineCheck and VauxCheck software, this looks like quite a good "read" package, the next step up ("My Naff Code Reader") gives output testing and immobiliser/airbag programming, the step after that is tech2
Can get the ELM kit for about £130 all in so that would be a good start for multiple vehicle diagnosis. I'm going to speak to Mike tomorrow and see if I can get some assurances around software updates, that will really be the decider!
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Don't think anything with ELM32? will do much prior to 2001 ish
as not obdII till then ???
Vaux Check software does limited checks with ELM chip I think before 2001 on some vx cars?
PS : I have a interface with ELM327 & VauX Check software will not work on my Omega 99 2.5
Opel Auto Scanner if Omega modules did not connect Vectra models would -would be included in next update
as Omega
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Don't rule out the cheapo tech2 lead - it tends to read most Omega systems, though often in Hungarian. No programming etc, but only £30 from fleabay.....
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Hi mate
Does the cheapo do CAN for Vectra C's, not sure it does? Also I cannot see that the Opel AutoScanner supports CAN (which is most important for the new addition)?
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Hi mate
Does the cheapo do CAN for Vectra C's, not sure it does? Also I cannot see that the Opel AutoScanner supports CAN (which is most important for the new addition)?
No, it does not do CAN.
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Hi mate
Does the cheapo do CAN for Vectra C's, not sure it does? Also I cannot see that the Opel AutoScanner supports CAN (which is most important for the new addition)?
No, it does not do CAN.
from the guy who makes it
The new edition of the AutoscannerOpel (OpelScanner) with CAN bus surport will be definitely released this year. The exact date so far I can not tell you.
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Missus just told me the battery light flashed on twice tonight, literally flashing on then goes straight off.... Need to get this diagnostic sorted so I can get the codes :o
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Missus just told me the battery light flashed on twice tonight, literally flashing on then goes straight off.... Need to get this diagnostic sorted so I can get the codes :o
She's sure its battery light?
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She's sure its battery light?
Roger that, red light - picture of a battery
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You need to find a local garage.....which i have....that doesnt mind you 'borrowing' their code reader....which can do CAN bus....and drinking their coffee while you do so ;D
Seriously tho......i do this....but would be interested in summat that can reprogram keys and systems at a reasonable price......hence why i havent got a EML327 reader yet.....they can with the right software read CAN bus.....but why bother....if it carnt reprogram anything and my local garage has a reader that can do the same.
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You need to find a local garage.....which i have....that doesnt mind you 'borrowing' their code reader....which can do CAN bus....and drinking their coffee while you do so ;D
Seriously tho......i do this....but would be interested in summat that can reprogram keys and systems at a reasonable price......hence why i havent got a EML327 reader yet.....they can with the right software read CAN bus.....but why bother....if it carnt reprogram anything and my local garage has a reader that can do the same.
So not tempted by a Tech2 then ;D
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I live in deliverance country - have to travel about 50miles to reach civilisation....
Right, I spoke to Mike at www.talktomycar.co.uk today, the "My Naff Code Reader" comes with a cd, you can access updates via the web - the vendors seem very active (about 5 updates this year). The "My Naff Code Reader" will do all the codes, live, freeze frame, output/actuation testing (which is a nice feature!) and airbag/Immob programming
Am going to place the order tomorrow and will review how it all goes on this site. Mike also said it comes with a 12month warrenty and can arrange discounts for group buys!! ;)
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Hmm. Just noticed he does PCMCIA serial port cards too. I wonder if they work any better with a cheapo TechII?
Kevin
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Hmm. Just noticed he does PCMCIA serial port cards too. I wonder if they work any better with a cheapo TechII?
Kevin
Quite possibly, drop him a mail to confirm before you buy ;)
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You need to find a local garage.....which i have....that doesnt mind you 'borrowing' their code reader....which can do CAN bus....and drinking their coffee while you do so ;D
Seriously tho......i do this....but would be interested in summat that can reprogram keys and systems at a reasonable price......hence why i havent got a EML327 reader yet.....they can with the right software read CAN bus.....but why bother....if it carnt reprogram anything and my local garage has a reader that can do the same.
So not tempted by a Tech2 then ;D
Could be if your selling yours and not the one for sale at the same price ;D
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You need to find a local garage.....which i have....that doesnt mind you 'borrowing' their code reader....which can do CAN bus....and drinking their coffee while you do so ;D
Seriously tho......i do this....but would be interested in summat that can reprogram keys and systems at a reasonable price......hence why i havent got a EML327 reader yet.....they can with the right software read CAN bus.....but why bother....if it carnt reprogram anything and my local garage has a reader that can do the same.
So not tempted by a Tech2 then ;D
Could be if your selling yours and not the one for sale at the same price ;D
Eh?
Ah, you want the CANdi ;)
$500 should get you a brand new CANdi from fleabay if you're patient
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You need to find a local garage.....which i have....that doesnt mind you 'borrowing' their code reader....which can do CAN bus....and drinking their coffee while you do so ;D
Seriously tho......i do this....but would be interested in summat that can reprogram keys and systems at a reasonable price......hence why i havent got a EML327 reader yet.....they can with the right software read CAN bus.....but why bother....if it carnt reprogram anything and my local garage has a reader that can do the same.
Opel Autoscanner will do keys,
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As will the VAUX-COM!! ;D
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Ordered the "My Naff Code Reader" today, may be here tomorrow so fingers crossed I may be able to post up some results!!! 8-)
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Ordered the "My Naff Code Reader" today, may be here tomorrow so fingers crossed I may be able to post up some results!!! 8-)
Hope it works out well for you :y
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Yey!! The kit arrived today, plugged it into the Omega and only got one fault code from the drivers side central locking motor intermittant - I know that and its fine, all other ECUs from engine, abs, climate through to sunroof, electric seats wee good
The Vectra on the other hand did not fair so well
This is the engine report, tested with engine running - faults cleared but these returned
"My Naff Code Reader" 070209 - PC based diagnostic tool
Control Unit:
Part Number: 12571663_CN
Identifier:0x0501
Total number of fault codes: 9
P0500 - Vehicle Speed Sensor Malfunction
(00) - Present
P1390 - <Unknown DTC>
(00) - Present
P1395 - <Unknown DTC>
(00) - Present
P1613 - Immobiliser No Or Wrong Signal
(00) - Not present
P1614 - <Unknown DTC>
(50) - Not present
P1616 - CIM (Steering Column Module) Wrong Environment Identifier
(00) - Not present
U2103 - CAN-Bus Node no Communication
(00) - Not present
U2108 - CAN-Bus no Communication with ABS/TC
(00) - Present
U2139 - CAN-Bus No Communication with CIM (Steering Column Module)
(00) - Not present
These errors from the ABS module
"My Naff Code Reader" 070209 - PC based diagnostic tool
Control Unit:
Part Number: 9191496_ EN
Identifier:0x0201
Total number of fault codes: 2
U2103 - No Communication with CAN-Bus (High Speed)
(00) - Present
U2139 - Invalid Data from CIM (Steering Column Module)
(71) - Present
Any help please :-[
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Just an update....
All the modules were complaining about not being able to communicate via high-speed CAN Bus - this diagnostic allows you to programme CAN Bus connections. After doing this, I reset fault codes for CIM, ABS, Steering and Engine... So far, all modules have remained code free!
Taking the car out in a while for a geometry setup and 4wheel balance so will be able to read it when it gets back
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Just back from getting the geometry setup, rear toe and camber fixed and all wheels balanced (previous had balanced just the inner wheel :eek:). Feels solid with no vibes now
Anyway, this gave me an option to do some live monitoring. First of all, the error P0500 - Vehicle Speed Sensor Malfunction was quite correct, the speedometer was not working, the electrohydraulic warning signal was on and the engine/transmission warning signal was on - not good! Also complaints about CAN Bus communication with both ABS and CIM
Now when we stopped, I pulled the ABS multiplug - restarted car and everything was fine???
The run home was fine, checked error codes and all was clear!!!
Any ideas of how to nail this erratic fault?
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Tomorrow I'm going to use some Vaseline in the female multiplug, check fuse FE16 and multiplug power supply/communication table by measuring voltage between terminals A37 Control Unit - Anti-Lock Brake System & Wiring harness connector (wiring harness side) terminal 23 & Ground, looking for >11v
Anything above and beyond that will need a bit more research :'(