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Chat Area => Omega Gallery => Topic started by: Entwood on 16 May 2008, 14:23:10
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
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Looks like a job very well done. :y
I bet you're looking forward to a nice cheap fill up now! ;)
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that looks great mate, im seriously considering now,,,,, :o
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Looks like a very tidy little system. If I was doing the mileage I certaily would go for that.
Do they do the tanks that fit in the space where the spare wheel fits.
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Looks like a very tidy little system. If I was doing the mileage I certaily would go for that.
Do they do the tanks that fit in the space where the spare wheel fits.
It is possible to get Torodial (?) tanks .. but they don't hold much, and on a car that uses fuel at quite a rate a small tank seems a waste of money to me. Omegas have large boots, which is why I chose this system.
In theory I should get about 200 miles around town on this tank, and 300 on a decent run (solo) .. down to 200 towing ..until I've had it a while I won't know. I see no point in a system that I have to look for an LPG place every 100 miles or so ... :(
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Was the flash lube system considered necessary? When I had my system fitted over 6 years ago, I was told it wasn't required. I just hope they were right.
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Was the flash lube system considered necessary? When I had my system fitted over 6 years ago, I was told it wasn't required. I just hope they were right.
75% of installers say its not really needed as the Vx does not "have a problem", 10% say it is needed... the company I used stick it on as part of the install, and give you the option to fill the bottle or not !!! They reckon it costs less than £10 a year for every 10,000 miles you do ...so as an insurance I'll probably use it ... :)
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Was the flash lube system considered necessary? When I had my system fitted over 6 years ago, I was told it wasn't required. I just hope they were right.
75% of installers say its not really needed as the Vx does not "have a problem", 10% say it is needed... the company I used stick it on as part of the install, and give you the option to fill the bottle or not !!! They reckon it costs less than £10 a year for every 10,000 miles you do ...so as an insurance I'll probably use it ... :)
Thanks, I hope you save as much money as I have, :D Oh & the engine oil comes out as clean as the day it was filled :y
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Looks nice and neat. I take it they have treated the hole they have cut to prevent rusting? I think a can of touch up paint wouldn't have gone amiss on the filler but I've heard that the paint rarely stays put for long so probably why they don't do it!!
Got to do mine now... Although seeing the job they've done of yours I'm tepted to save myself the hassle and get them to do it!! (Note to self: Remember the savings of a DIY conversion!) :y :y :y :y
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Looks nice and neat. I take it they have treated the hole they have cut to prevent rusting? I think a can of touch up paint wouldn't have gone amiss on the filler but I've heard that the paint rarely stays put for long so probably why they don't do it!!
Got to do mine now... Although seeing the job they've done of yours I'm tepted to save myself the hassle and get them to do it!! (Note to self: Remember the savings of a DIY conversion!) :y :y :y :y
The guy actually said that if it was sprayed it might last 4 months !! His opinion .. and I tend to see his point ... window surrounds are black, door surrounds are black, tyres are black .. it does not look out of place if "lined up" correctly .. :y :y
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Does fitting LPG to your car affect your road tax? I was speaking to a garage in London yesterday, quoted me £1,600 inc vat for a conversion. I'm seriously considering doing it.
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my tax had cost £205 for 12 months, when i sent the v5 off to have it registered as bi-fuel, they sent a replacement disc sayin £195 (but no bloody tenner refund!)
and also, on the new V5 the CO2 g/km value hasnt been changed, so i imagine they'll use it as an excuse to charge more tax :(
i plan to contact whoever deals with VED and see whether or not there's a difference, so if there is, i might be tempted to keep my car
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
Just a thought... Where does the coolant hose which runs accross the fron of the engine bay on a 3.0 go from/to? Could thais be interested to feed the vaporiser? :question :question :question
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Any idea of cost? Hatching a plan
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Any idea of cost? Hatching a plan
It was £1850 + VAT (£2173.80) ..... :(
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Just a thought... Where does the coolant hose which runs accross the fron of the engine bay on a 3.0 go from/to? Could thais be interested to feed the vaporiser? :question :question :question
AFAIK the reason this pipe is NOT used is it is "outside" the engine/thermostat loop .. ie .. it only gets hot once the thermostat opens. By having the vapouriser "inside" the loop it heats up very much faster, so switches from petrol gas earlier... mine is taking less than a mile at the moment, although I expect it will be longer in the winter.
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Any idea of cost? Hatching a plan
It was £1850 + VAT (£2173.80) ..... :(
With the cost of fuel these days it will not take long to get that back, Is this a multipoint system?
I have a LPG kit in my garage which has seen better days but it works, but it's not currently attached to a car at the moment. I have a tank the same as yours as I think the bigger the tank the better and also with the other type of tanks the bigger one's usually sit higher than the base of the boot and you have to sort something out to level the floor of the boot which is just a pain more than anything else.
That looks a lovely install.
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Looks nice and neat. I take it they have treated the hole they have cut to prevent rusting? I think a can of touch up paint wouldn't have gone amiss on the filler but I've heard that the paint rarely stays put for long so probably why they don't do it!!
Got to do mine now... Although seeing the job they've done of yours I'm tepted to save myself the hassle and get them to do it!! (Note to self: Remember the savings of a DIY conversion!) :y :y :y :y
The guy actually said that if it was sprayed it might last 4 months !! His opinion .. and I tend to see his point ... window surrounds are black, door surrounds are black, tyres are black .. it does not look out of place if "lined up" correctly .. :y :y
Mine was still in mint condition 6 months after i did my install, and i was filling up 4 times a week....
IT's all down to the paint used and the time taken to do it, yes you could blast some champagne paint on there let it dry and it might only last 2 mins, or you can build the paint up, keep it nice and warm and make a really good job of it.
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
Just a thought... Where does the coolant hose which runs accross the fron of the engine bay on a 3.0 go from/to? Could thais be interested to feed the vaporiser? :question :question :question
Nope - need feed from behind the engine
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Looks like BRC, but not the latest Sequent. Is it “FAST”? Now, they’ve moved temp sensor from the rail and it’s in vaporizer.
I must say that the split from the vaporizer to injector rails is not the best idea. Might not cause any problems but better to have an eye on that. Gas have to flow easy at the same pressure and without any bends to both heads. This way left head will get more pressure than the right one (gas is redirected by ca 300 degrees to the right one while left branch is almost straight. Flow to the straight line might cause suction in the right one) and you may have problems with the engine running on high revs.
That black box – is it connected to the vaporizer or the manifold? I have BRC Sequent 24 (MY07) and there is only P1 sensor connected to the vaporizer, there is no MAP sensor and any time I would like to reset it, I have to go to BRC specialist to do it… I would take it away from the rail as it gets hot and might damage the sensor.
BTW – you don’t need a valve saver – it’s only to get more money from people. All valve seats are enforced and are strong enough for LPG. How much is it for bottle now? How long does it last?
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My 2.6 was converted when I bought it, my 2nd gas car it has the 70 litre "donut" tank that takes 60 litres and does about 17 mpg and 180 miles on a full tank around town, on a run I get about 25mpg so about 50 mpg after conversion. :y
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Mine (2.0 auto) is doing 28MPG on the long run, 21MPH when I drive to work (Reading –Basingstoke), and ca 16 in Town. This is real consumption, not from computer.
So, when commuting to work, I can do 160-170 miles on 37l tank. Not that bad, but could be better. I also found that sometimes consumption is very good, and suddenly it goes up. Don’t know if it depends from the LPG or any sensor is fouling ECU.
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Welcome to the club!
are you happy with the overal out come i know you were slightly concerned about getting someone to do the conversion for you....
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great looking car. Are you pleased with the conversion? if you had the choice again would you still do it?
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Sorry for the delay in responding ... was away for the weekend :)
I'm VERY pleased with the conversion, it is saving me, at the moment 10.64 pence for every mile travelled (23.48 pence/mile calculated petrol cost, 13.20 pence/mile actual LPG cost).
Done just over 600 miles, and it has not affected performance at all, even when towing. Solo I'm getting 300 miles to a tank of LPG, towing is estimated at 200+ probably .. not done a long enough journey yet .... The lakes meet will sort those figures out !!!
The boot space is reduced of course, but 90% of the time the boot is virtually empty, so matters not :)
I did have to do a major re-think on weekend packing, and ended up with laptop/camera kit/coats on the back seat. Worst PITA is i have to take everything out to put the solar panel flat in the boot, then pack everything back up, reverse that to actually use the panel... but I'll get used to it.
Would I convert again ??? like a shot.
Same company ?? certainly.
Same system ?? probably
HTH :)
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No doubt about the fact you like it then! you have done a good selling job. have to think seriously about LPG
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The conversion looks very neat. On my 3.0 Elite estate the injectors are just laid out across the top of the plenum, a bit untidily. Also, it was done a few years ago (2001 I think) so I expect things have moved on a bit since then installation and design-wise.
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Nice install Entwood :y :y
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a very neat and tidy install, i like the position of the switch in the centre console.
i only wish some one could come up with a bracket to place the injector solenoids on the side if the air rams as this would ensure even pipe lengths for each bank and aid us DIY ers!
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first run on mine thursday 50 miles around town and 220 from shrewsbury to mid wales and back.Returned about 23 to gall of Countrywide Gas @46p per ltr. Still bedding in shall check it on comp program again soon.
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This thread needed dusting down a tad I expect!!!
Your on-board computor will still give petrol MPG as it has been fooled into thinking you are running on petrol . Gas LPG is about 8-10% less than petrol due to the difference in Specific Gravity .. so expect around 18 mpg on gas .. but as its about half the price of petrol .... :)
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first run on mine thursday 50 miles around town and 220 from shrewsbury to mid wales and back.Returned about 23 to gall of Countrywide Gas @46p per ltr. Still bedding in shall check it on comp program again soon]
only go on top up value ie 55 ltrs The trip to wales was to visit two gas system retailers Have run senator and jeep on gas so know of false readings
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
In my opinion, the filler neck should be down under the rear bumper on the opposide side of the tail exhaust pipe, since it does not seem original right next to the gas filler and it should not be good to drill the body as it seems badly. Sorry for not being agree with you... :(
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
In my opinion, the filler neck should be down under the rear bumper on the opposide side of the tail exhaust pipe, since it does not seem original right next to the gas filler and it should not be good to drill the body as it seems badly. Sorry for not being agree with you... :(
As this thread's been dusted off ::)
You have to think of practicalities... For someone more mature in years (as the OP will be before he gets rid of the car ::)) having the filler low down isn't always a good thing ;)
Plus, the regulations here in the UK are probably more strict than they are in Turkey ;)
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
In my opinion, the filler neck should be down under the rear bumper on the opposide side of the tail exhaust pipe, since it does not seem original right next to the gas filler and it should not be good to drill the body as it seems badly. Sorry for not being agree with you... :(
As this thread's been dusted off ::)
You have to think of practicalities... For someone more mature in years (as the OP will be before he gets rid of the car ::)) having the filler low down isn't always a good thing ;)
Plus, the regulations here in the UK are probably more strict than they are in Turkey ;)
Thank you for that young man !!
It is also imparticable to have one below the bumper/on the tow bar / etc etc as I often refuel with the caravan attached. Access / ease of use were a consideration. :)
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Some very quickly taken piccies as requested ... I'm no David Bailey !!
Filler, looks OK, lines up nicely and is accessible at all times.
(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3829/01fillerif9.jpg)
Filler from the inside
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2653/02fillerinternalno0.jpg)
Tank, very neatly installed
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3956/03tankfc4.jpg)
Control switch - crap photo actually looks very neat
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4997/04controlow0.jpg)
Engine bay overall
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3021/05engineiq4.jpg)
Left hand bank with pressure regulator, the "spare" plug is a pressure test connection for the diagnostic kit
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4641/06lhpressregww4.jpg)
Right hand bank
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4294/07rhoe6.jpg)
Filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9487/08filterdw9.jpg)
ECU, beside the pollen filter
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7362/09ecuhx5.jpg)
Flash Lube kit
(http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1345/10valvelubezg6.jpg)
No pictures of the vaporiser I'm afraid .. its buried down behind/below the passenger side headlamp !! The vaporiser water pipes go right around the engine bay and connect by the HBV, but on the engine side not the heater side !!.
To my totally untrained eye, it all looks rather neat.... and it all seems to work !!
In my opinion, the filler neck should be down under the rear bumper on the opposide side of the tail exhaust pipe, since it does not seem original right next to the gas filler and it should not be good to drill the body as it seems badly. Sorry for not being agree with you... :(
As this thread's been dusted off ::)
You have to think of practicalities... For someone more mature in years (as the OP will be before he gets rid of the car ::)) having the filler low down isn't always a good thing ;)
Plus, the regulations here in the UK are probably more strict than they are in Turkey ;)
Thank you for that young man !!
It is also imparticable to have one below the bumper/on the tow bar / etc etc as I often refuel with the caravan attached. Access / ease of use were a consideration. :)
Had to word it carefully :D :D :D
TBH, I wanted mine in a similar place for ease of refuelling too :y :y
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I recently thought I was buying another LPG,d Mig, and the first thing I planned on sorting was moving the filler from down on the bumper up to the rear quarter beside the petrol filler.
The thought of faffing about down near the ground every time I fill up (especially on wet days when the bumper will be wet and filthy) seems ludicrous to me. :)
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(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Day2and3/DSC00684.JPG)
Thats my filler location, picture taken when the car was a tad cleaner ::)
While its perfectly workable down there, there is a lot of flex in the bumper, so when hands are cold, tired and you in a hurry the bumper can move about it, also when its raining its not that great to be so low down.
I drilled the bumper, because I didn't want to drill body work. I think its best overall, not a real fan of number plate fillers, most times i fill up (Asda HighWycome) I have to park right up the arse of the car in front to get the filler to reach its current location.
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(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/LPG/Day2and3/DSC00684.JPG)
Thats my filler location, picture taken when the car was a tad cleaner ::)
While its perfectly workable down there, there is a lot of flex in the bumper, so when hands are cold, tired and you in a hurry the bumper can move about it, also when its raining its not that great to be so low down.
I drilled the bumper, because I didn't want to drill body work. I think its best overall, not a real fan of number plate fillers, most times i fill up (Asda HighWycome) I have to park right up the arse of the car in front to get the filler to reach its current location.
I really like it located there, looks real neat and tidy!
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It does, but its impractical. ;)
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Don't want the filler visible at all personally, and if it's going to be that low it may as well be behind the number plate, the nozzle will reach for the same parking position.
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If you have the filler low down won't it pick up all the muck from the rear wheel ? wouldn't bother me drilling the body if i was saving that much on fill ups. ;D
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I didn't consider putting mine anywhere else as this is the best place for it IMHO & drilling the panel is no big deal as long as you treat & repaint the bare metal properly afterwards. Also, I lightly 'keyed' my filler body & cap with a fine grade sandpaper & primed it with ' Plasticote' before 2 coats of base primer, 4 coats of finish & 2 coats of clear laquer & it's been done for 9 months now & is still as good as the day it was done with no sign of peeling etc. :y
(http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab197/philrich1064/LPG%20Installation%20Pics/LPGInstallation40.jpg)
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It does, but its impractical. ;)
Only if your an old fart :P :P :P ;D
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Or a young dude going for a night out in winter. your wearing an expensive long coat, you bend right down to attach the filler to the bumper and your nice coat drags in the wet dirty crap around the pump......... ;) ::) :P ;D
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I don't wear a long coat when driving, gets in the way of the pedals ;D
Infact most times I just filled up the tank wearing a t-shirt, did get a bit cold ::)
Understand what your saying though, I commuted through winter, never really found it an issue. Cap kept the dirt away, so that was always clean underneath.