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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Markie on 27 July 2007, 15:26:07
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Firstly this is not meant to cause offence just my opinion and i do wonder about every one elses viewpoint..
Now i will try to breath deep but this will probably be a rant.
I am sick to the back teeth of the draconian attitude "workers" have to unsatisfactory pay reviews and working conditions. How on earth do workers of certain organisations expect to make a point and win the managerial fight on pay reviews when they continually disrupt the service, minimise ( already poor) profits, and more importantly impact ( negativley) the customer, that ironically pay the wages.
I frankly could not care less why postal workers are striking. Striking is wrong. Its an attempt to bully and blackmail an organisation. If you dont like a pay review/ working conditions or flavour of tea in the break area
A> Do better next time on performance or
B> Dont let the door hit your arse on the way out ( ie get another job)
Needless to say as a high output ebay seller and a manager of a business impacted by such petty childish actions i am angered.
Especially when the counter staff advisor today tried to sell me Post office credit card and i replied by advising " i dont give business to organisations that strike" She then continued her 70`s/ Scargill type speech on why we must stand together blah bleeding blah >:( Did she remember Britain in the 70`s i wonder.... :-/ and our limited working weeks????
Again - if we have posties on here - its not a personal attack, but a viewpoint from a business leader and Post Office customer and i aim my thoughts at all staff in any organisation that strikes.
No wonder Britain is no longer competitive and a market leader >:( in anything...
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You should take a stand and move to France ;)
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Well said that man.
I hope they get Sweet FA - the stress they are causing my family at the moment is untrue.
The wife order ou holiday travellers cheques (go on holiday Monday Morning) via the bank and they sent them out via Royal bloody mail - money is stuck in a depot - bank wont refund cause of the travellers cheques system of fraud etc - so am having to borrow heavilly on my credit card till I get a chance to pick them up when we get back from holiday :o
plus the shambolic service is attrocious by us - our first mail delivery is around 3pm!!!!! What can you do at 3pm if something really urgent pops through the door - especially on a friday!!! grrrrrrrr
The royal mail gobsh1tes have had a monopoly for too long they need to be replaced with a more customer biased customer friendly organisation.
That's my rant over and done with for now. >:(
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I am afraid I disagree. Someone please tell me why my postman gets £5 an hour, but the customer services tele peeps get £7 an hour?
I have ALWAYS disgreed with the fact that white collar workers get significantly more money for doing an easier job. Jeez, how would they like to carry 3 sacks of post through al weathers?
The post is far TOO cheap and that is the fundamental problem. 1st class letters should be 50p at least. Scrap second class altogether and shake the whole system up, getting rid of most the management.
Striking is these guys way of highlighting their plight. You try getting a mortgage on £5 an hour!
I for one hope they get the pay rise they deserve.
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Hi markie,hope you well, I to am waiting for some post that is important to me as are millions of other souls across the land,Now the but, as an employee sometimes you have to make a stand against the employers,No dig at you here,.I do remember what it was like in the late 70,s and the 80,s.This country was a disgrace compared to the continant on work force performance,and your right it needed reform,but the way thatcher went about it was truly shocking.As far as the postal workers are concerned they are now being penalised for working hard for the last 20 years whilst the COMPANY was run by compleat tossers.They have now been taken over by a new set of compleat tossers who now say that the work force must pay and by god they will pay.This is at the same time the bosses are rewarding themselves with massive bonuses for turning the post office round into a PROFIT making company,[albeit small profits].Remember who here is doing most of the work here= the postal work force.Now the bosses have said that they are now looking at stealing the pension scheme as well to further post office profit ,to which the company will say in a years time "OH look how well we have done lets have anouther bonus" THE WORKER IS STILL BEING SHAFTED. Ranted reply over.Look forward to seeing you in the future Gary. :y
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I am afraid I disagree. Someone please tell me why my postman gets £5 an hour, but the customer services tele peeps get £7 an hour?
I have ALWAYS disgreed with the fact that white collar workers get significantly more money for doing an easier job. Jeez, how would they like to carry 3 sacks of post through al weathers?
The post is far TOO cheap and that is the fundamental problem. 1st class letters should be 50p at least. Scrap second class altogether and shake the whole system up, getting rid of most the management.
Striking is these guys way of highlighting their plight. You try getting a mortgage on £5 an hour!
I for one hope they get the pay rise they deserve.
I have to agree with that.. :y
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I am afraid I disagree. Someone please tell me why my postman gets £5 an hour, but the customer services tele peeps get £7 an hour?
I have ALWAYS disgreed with the fact that white collar workers get significantly more money for doing an easier job. Jeez, how would they like to carry 3 sacks of post through al weathers?
The post is far TOO cheap and that is the fundamental problem. 1st class letters should be 50p at least. Scrap second class altogether and shake the whole system up, getting rid of most the management.
Striking is these guys way of highlighting their plight. You try getting a mortgage on £5 an hour!
I for one hope they get the pay rise they deserve.
I have to agree with that.. :y
And me.
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As i mentioned in the initial post, not personal and not meant to upset anyone - i dont think i have. :-*
Perhaps i see it from a differrent viewpoint - as a manager of a company and as a customer.
I have no tolerance of such actions be it utilities workers, white collar, manual or otherwise. There are other ways to come to an agreement rather than drag the customer into it. I would fully support any actions by Royal mail management on this - and if in the future redundancies are required due to losses I wonder if the protester will stop and think about the contriution they make...
Anyway....as mentioned just an opinion, not necessarily right, or wrong. but they have lost my respect, business and anything else i can retract from them :-/
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What else can the workforce do when the managment wont listen to them, if you ask them they will say the would rather be at work as they are losing pay by being on strike.As for other ways to come to an agreement what would that be.................. Adam crozier the CE, has only ever been in one other job and look at the MESS he made :oof that. [ FA] FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION.
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The strike will achieve nothing. Decent management would achieve a lot more.
The workers there are four types I can think of.
1) The commited post man
2) The it will do until something comes along.
3) It is the best I can do as a job
4) Temporary workers
Need to make some of 2 and 3 think like 1
I am afraid it looks like the usual pants management vs overly militant unions.
The unions should have gone to the government with their concerns as they still own RM AFAIK. There are always two sides and they need to sort it together without affecting the customer.
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The problem, as I see it, is that there is no 'black and white' merely 'shades of grey'.
The post office is, and always has been, poorly/inefficiently run. Since privatisation, they have had to move into the real world and make a profit to justify their existence.
There is now competition out there and that is just a fact of life and this means that for a business to survive in a competitive environment it must make a profit.
All stake holders in the company have a responsibility to ensure that the company is profitable.
Now, if the pay demands of the workforce make the company uncompetitive then the company will lose business which will drive down profit and mean that, to stay in business, the company will have to shed jobs; not just a few highly paid managers who account for a fraction of a percent of profit but the shopfloor workers who account for a much higher proportion of cost.
In a well managed company, the management ensure that the employees share in the success of the company which should contribute to the success and future growth of that company.
If the Post Office rewarded their employees for improved profitability then that would be a result for all concerned but, to expect more pay for less work is simply not a viable proposition in a free market. I believe that there has been some sort of incentive offered but the unions have rejected it others, I'm sure, will know better.
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If the Post Office rewarded their employees for improved profitability then that would be a result for all concerned but, to expect more pay for less work is simply not a viable proposition in a free market. I believe that there has been some sort of incentive offered but the unions have rejected it others, I'm sure, will know better.
The CWU is against any form of performance related pay.
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i sent a postal order on the 12th of july to a bloke in grimsby to pay for a part for my miggy...he got it on the 25th of july and that was first class post...the system needs shaking up..an no one likes change not even me but we all have to live with it...
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The union are not overly militant in this case ,but they cant go to the goverment.They say go back to your bosses and speak to them. NOT OUR PROBLEM. From here it just goes back and forth untill one side says enough.is enough. If you have a problem at work and you feel that your being taken for a mug, you do one of two things
1 NOTHING AND CONTINUE BEING A MUG.
2 SOMETHING ABOUT IT, IE STOP DOING IT OR LEAVE THE JOB.
If it,s 1 you are a mug
if it,s 2 who suffers here, the customer at the end of the day as there is no other way to solve the problem. The customer is the first one to shout" BLOODY STRIKERS," >:( shouldnt be allowed!!
but when it's them then it's different." IT'S MY RIGHT TO STRIKE IF I WANT TOO "
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Well I'm a member of the CWU but not a Postie.
I could go on for hours about the attitude of senior management within the group but I'll spare you.
Good luck to them..........
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I dont know how much i can say on this topic, maybe I'm slightly ignorant to the goings on within royal mail purely because i'm a new member of staff
i worked in retail, after 9 years i HATED it with a passion, i knew a couple of postpersons, and a girl i used to work with jacked her job in and became a post woman and told me she loved it and i should go for it, i did some thinking and only a couple of years later i decided to apply, didnt get the original post i went for, but was put on a waiting list and was called up 7 months later and walked straight into a postie job in a perfect location not far from home!
its only this week that i've been there 6 months, and have just had a pay rise, as i believe that on trial period (12 months) they start us on just less than basic standard hourly rate, increased at 6 months, then again at 12 months on completion of trial period, which then ties in with standard rate.
now i dont know exactly which parts of royal mail are kicking off over pay and i'll be honest, after working in my previous jobs for the pathetic pay i got, i'm MORE than happy that i get what i get now. I love my job, i love the easy life its given me, if i'm honest its not the most challenging job, and i really take pride in my job
I dont want to strike at all, i'm happy pounding the streets for a few hours and talking to some of the really nice people i deliver to, and more importantly it pays my bills and keeps a roof over my head.
one day when i'd just started working for royal mail i accidentally put some mail thru a door which should have gone to the next door neighbour (habit meant i walked up the first path i came to not realising i had no mail for them) and i had a chat with the woman and apologised and she still wasn't happy, i was embarrassed and devastated that i'd ballsed up. and i know there must be some postpersons who dont care that much, but i do. I didnt realise how much concentration it takes to make sure you miss out the houses you dont have mail for! ::)
i havent managed to get any overtime this week for tomorrow's strike but the last 2 i managed to clock up at least 6 or 7 hours through the week so i wouldnt lose out due to the strikes
the only problem i have with my job (and its a problem that will never be solved) is that if someone is expecting a parcel or birthday card, and it doesnt arrive on time (in their opinion), then its suddenly automatically my fault, not understanding that all i do in the mornings is collect the mail that is waiting for me, and deliver it, and that there are several processes involved in getting the mail from where it was posted to, to my delivery frame, the only way i'd lose someone's mail is if i follishly drop it out of my bag without noticing!
as for the postman who gets £5 per hour...? CHRIST ALMIGHTY!!!!!
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Your basic starting pay depends on your age when you join us. Below you'll find a guide as to how much you can expect to earn in your role. All the pay details shown below are based on a 40 hour week and for part-time positions, this amount will be pro-rata.
Length of service Pay
£194.95
£227.44
First 6 months £292.43
Next 6 months £308.67
£324.92
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As we generally offer both full time and part time roles at our Recruitment Days the pay details shown as a guide above are based on full time hours. If you are considering a part time role, you'll need to adjust the guide pay details. For example, if the full time weekly pay shown is £246 and you work 20 hours per week, your basic weekly pay will be around £123 per week
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Your holiday entitlement starts from four and a half week's paid holiday each year, on top of the eight Bank Holidays.
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I am afraid I disagree. Someone please tell me why my postman gets £5 an hour, but the customer services tele peeps get £7 an hour?
I have ALWAYS disgreed with the fact that white collar workers get significantly more money for doing an easier job. Jeez, how would they like to carry 3 sacks of post through al weathers?
The post is far TOO cheap and that is the fundamental problem. 1st class letters should be 50p at least. Scrap second class altogether and shake the whole system up, getting rid of most the management.
Striking is these guys way of highlighting their plight. You try getting a mortgage on £5 an hour!
I for one hope they get the pay rise they deserve.
OI. I've just read this again. What do you mean an easier job? I work my fingers to the bone surfing the net all day, every day. It's bloody hard work in the office. That paper shredder doesn't switch itself on you know! I reckon I've got RSI from using the photocopier day in day out! My kidneys are shot from drinking too much coffee and my crotch doesn't take kindly to sitting on my backside all day!
These blue collar workers don't know how easy they've got it. At least they don't have to spend their time trying to justify their jobs and trying to look busy. That's what I'm here for, to find work for them to do all day.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Postal workers in some area have a bad reputation. Milton Keynes in particular, the situation is intolerable. They will open anything interesting, and steal. My mum's area is the same - send anything to my mum, and it has to be Special Delivery, else it won't turn up. Even SD doesn't always turn up, but at least the value is covered.
Yet, on the flip side, the posties round my way are great - go out of there way to ensure big packets are delivered somewhere in the street so no hassle of going to sorting office.
Whilst I'm sure the number of bad eggs is negligable, its those that create the image for the firm.
As to strikes, I obviously get Oxford local news here, and the Oxford sorting office go out seemingly for little reason. Just like the Leyland days, but then probably many of them are ex Leyland workers. That really ruins their image as well.