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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: amigov6 on 02 August 2007, 20:24:37
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
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Two days in Millom - oh dear :(
I used to live across the bay in sunny Barrow :y
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
I thought the European Working Time Directive was strictly enforced in Germany. Doesn't your 58 hour week fall well outside this?
I seem to remember hearing that German companies faced heavy fines for breaking the rules which was making them uncompetitive?
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The joys of being a Truck Driver...Why do we do it.. :-/
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
I thought the European Working Time Directive was strictly enforced in Germany. Doesn't your 58 hour week fall well outside this?
I wish that was true they have more Directives in Germany than hot dinners, but as long as the Unions
draw an Employer/Works council Agreement with the Employers, that causes a so called derogation
then the initial Directives are nothing but Guidlines
I seem to remember hearing that German companies faced heavy fines for breaking the rules which was making them uncompetitive?
True but only on the so called shop floor for "Normal Workers" as i am so called Part time Management
this does not apply.
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
I thought the European Working Time Directive was strictly enforced in Germany. Doesn't your 58 hour week fall well outside this?
I wish that was true they have more Directives in Germany than hot dinners, but as long as the Unions
draw an Employer/Works council Agreement with the Employers, that causes a so called derogation
then the initial Directives are nothing but Guidlines
I seem to remember hearing that German companies faced heavy fines for breaking the rules which was making them uncompetitive?
True but only on the so called shop floor for "Normal Workers" as i am so called Part time Management
this does not apply.
So, they also bend the rules to suit themselves. Good on em! I wish they would work that over here. :(
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
I thought the European Working Time Directive was strictly enforced in Germany. Doesn't your 58 hour week fall well outside this?
I wish that was true they have more Directives in Germany than hot dinners, but as long as the Unions
draw an Employer/Works council Agreement with the Employers, that causes a so called derogation
then the initial Directives are nothing but Guidlines
I seem to remember hearing that German companies faced heavy fines for breaking the rules which was making them uncompetitive?
True but only on the so called shop floor for "Normal Workers" as i am so called Part time Management
this does not apply.
So, they also bend the rules to suit themselves. Good on em! I wish they would work that over here. :(
Its ok if you want the extra Money ::) but what about friday evening boys night not many off them going on any more :(
Free time has become something really valuable.
If i turn around and say that i want my (as it should be) Saturdays off my Boss will say ok no problem,back on the Bus with you and we will get someone else to take your place >:(
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Off to Bed... >:( WORK SUCKS :'( :'(
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
I thought the European Working Time Directive was strictly enforced in Germany. Doesn't your 58 hour week fall well outside this?
I wish that was true they have more Directives in Germany than hot dinners, but as long as the Unions
draw an Employer/Works council Agreement with the Employers, that causes a so called derogation
then the initial Directives are nothing but Guidlines
I seem to remember hearing that German companies faced heavy fines for breaking the rules which was making them uncompetitive?
True but only on the so called shop floor for "Normal Workers" as i am so called Part time Management
this does not apply.
So, they also bend the rules to suit themselves. Good on em! I wish they would work that over here. :(
Its ok if you want the extra Money ::) but what about friday evening boys night not many off them going on any more :(
Free time has become something really valuable.
If i turn around and say that i want my (as it should be) Saturdays off my Boss will say ok no problem,back on the Bus with you and we will get someone else to take your place >:(
I agree with you, free time is immensely valuable and real luxury when it is denied to you. What I object to is being told that I am not allowed to work as long as I like. I know that's not quite how it works but that was the spirit of the directive in my opinion.
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Last week:-
Monday:- ADR refresher course, 8 hrs pay.
Tuesday:- Same.
Weds :- Half day exams, straight back in truck, night out in Millom (Cumbria)
Thurs :- Tip Millom, empty back,go home.
Friday :- Load empty 40ft container Esher (surrey) Night out, run in Saturday.
This week:-
Monday:- Tip Oswaldtwistle (Lancs),empty back, go home.
Tuesday:- Take empty 40ft container to Jeyes @ Thetford, load, run back & go home.
Weds :- Same.
Today :- Same.
Tomorrow:- Load empty 40 ft container Woking, Wo'nt make it home two Fridays in a row stuck down south again. Anyone see a pattern emerging? :( >:(
God those are very unsociable Hours :(
and i thought i was on a bad thing 03:00am - 12:42 Mo - Sa
I thought the European Working Time Directive was strictly enforced in Germany. Doesn't your 58 hour week fall well outside this?
I seem to remember hearing that German companies faced heavy fines for breaking the rules which was making them uncompetitive?
:-/I think it's 48hrs but it's another pointless euro legislation that your company can opt out of so why bother? I could be a euro MP 'cos my heads full of B/S & i could earn twice the money!!!! 8-)
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The joys of being a Truck Driver...Why do we do it.. :-/
I started on vans in my late teens, then 7.5 tonners, did a bit of cabbing, was even a milkman for a while but i need to be out & about, ca'nt sit in the same place day, week month year, ever.
Tried forklifting but watched the trucks leave & have to admit i missed being "down the road"
I'm 44 now so that's it till i retire. Some of us have to be HGV positive!!! 8-)
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The joys of being a Truck Driver...Why do we do it.. :-/
I started on vans in my late teens, then 7.5 tonners, did a bit of cabbing, was even a milkman for a while but i need to be out & about, ca'nt sit in the same place day, week month year, ever.
Tried forklifting but watched the trucks leave & have to admit i missed being "down the road"
I'm 44 now so that's it till i retire. Some of us have to be HGV positive!!! 8-)
Isn't interesting that you think that sitting in your cab all day is different to me sitting in my office? Just goes to show what's one man's meat is another man's poison. ;D ;D ;D
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The joys of being a Truck Driver...Why do we do it.. :-/
I started on vans in my late teens, then 7.5 tonners, did a bit of cabbing, was even a milkman for a while but i need to be out & about, ca'nt sit in the same place day, week month year, ever.
Tried forklifting but watched the trucks leave & have to admit i missed being "down the road"
I'm 44 now so that's it till i retire. Some of us have to be HGV positive!!! 8-)
Same here.. Ive managed a few shops been a commercial and plant fitter for 11 years various other jobs but end up driving all the time, as you say staying in one place is not for me either.. :y
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Several years ago there was a big push in Europe about the reduction in hours in the working week, is it just me or does everybody seem to be putting in more hours than ever, my free time seems to evaporated and I feel that time away from work is less than ever :-/
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Several years ago there was a big push in Europe about the reduction in hours in the working week, is it just me or does everybody seem to be putting in more hours than ever, my free time seems to evaporated and I feel that time away from work is less than ever :-/
That is exactly the problem thes days the Euro MP`s are alway talking about work time reduction, but as long as the firms use their employees to bump up there profits ie more work with less people, there is no way in a million years that they will employ more workers to to the same job as one person can. >:( >:(
I suppose if i were in ther position i would do the same. but the European Directives should really be employed more vigorously, to stop abuse. >:(
So thats my opinion ;)
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what about when the digital tachos come into effect? do you think that will be better or worse? i`ve just applied for mine so i can carry on working at comet till i get this other job sorted out...
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what about when the digital tachos come into effect? do you think that will be better or worse? i`ve just applied for mine so i can carry on working at comet till i get this other job sorted out...
Now that is a different matter, when it comes down to actual Driving Hours the Police will jump at you with everything they have, there is no mucking about with Driving times 4,5 Hours and then 30 Minutes break
Max 9 Hours per day with only one day per week at 10 Hours. 45 Hour week with the Double week at 90 Hours The following week is to be cut short so the Driver then has a CONTINUOUS break of 45 Hours
Tachographs are to be kept for at least 6 Months i think that this is European Directive EG 85/20
No doubt about it if you are self employed it is the Downfall of many Drivers
Although due to the fact that many East European lorry drivers are behind the wheel for up to 36 Hours at one go i feel that this Law should be strictly adhered to.
I hope i have`nt bored you too much
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I agree with the need for strict driving hours after having been done in Germany.. Just crossed in to Germany from Remich near Luxembourg about 5 years ago, pulled over by B.A.G or something like that..
Good morning and welcome to Germany he said.. :y Licence, Tachograph and passport please to which i give him...Yesterdays tacho, again yesterdays tacho...Cut a long story short frog marched to bank to withdraw £114 pounds.. :'( Told to go to next Shell garage and take 8 hour break, but i had to be in Stuttgart before they closed..I made Stuttgart and out of Germany all within 14 hours of being stopped, took the chance,,Naughty boy..Didnt go back for 3 months.. Finished with the company i was working with when i got back..I was not going to play that game again..
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I agree with the need for strict driving hours after having been done in Germany.. Just crossed in to Germany from Remich near Luxembourg about 5 years ago, pulled over by B.A.G or something like that..
Good morning and welcome to Germany he said.. :y Licence, Tachograph and passport please to which i give him...Yesterdays tacho, again yesterdays tacho...Cut a long story short frog marched to bank to withdraw £114 pounds.. :'( Told to go to next Shell garage and take 8 hour break, but i had to be in Stuttgart before they closed..I made Stuttgart and out of Germany all within 14 hours of being stopped, took the chance,,Naughty boy..Didnt go back for 3 months.. Finished with the company i was working with when i got back..I was not going to play that game again..
HI Spongebob, Sorry to hear this sort of thng happened to you too :(
Now this is the unfortunate side to the job, Drivers are forced due to Time Freight, to give it their all
by their Firms. the Boses are not Interested in the fines that are enforced or the endorcements on your license >:( >:(
Just as long as the Freight is there on time and the Money is in the Bank. THEIR Bank >:( >:(
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Yes my fault for doing it. Was told get to Daimler asap we will sort out the fine when you get back..Did they hell as like..Threw the keys at the transport manager very hard wishing he would make more of it, he didnt,,Only good thing was no points just the cash.. :y
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what would your opinion be then if told you that i`ve seen fellow colleagues work from 7am(offical start time) an still be out delivering goods at 10 pm or even midnight just to avoid failed deliveries an keep the first time delivery success up above 98% an keep the hdp an general manager happy an then be back in the next morning at 7am an do another full day an do this for 5 days a week...illegal or wot?
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Been there and done it.. :y
However i wont work for a company that wants to break the law these days..
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what would your opinion be then if told you that i`ve seen fellow colleagues work from 7am(offical start time) an still be out delivering goods at 10 pm or even midnight just to avoid failed deliveries an keep the first time delivery success up above 98% an keep the hdp an general manager happy an then be back in the next morning at 7am an do another full day an do this for 5 days a week...illegal or wot?
I know that this sort of thing happens all the time i really feel sorry for the guys that are forced to do this sort of thing. >:(
The trouble is if the appropriate Authorities were to be informed then the poor drivers would be in for it too.
The only problem is Where do you start :(
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Been there and done it.. :y
However i wont work for a company that wants to break the law these days..
Here Here :y :y
Congratulations, not many people think the same nine times out of ten they are allured by the Money not taking into concideration fines like the one you had to pay.
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well for a start i found a little comet rule thats being ignored every day by the the management...No comet home delivery crew is to be delivering b4 8am or after 6pm all vehicles are to be in the hdp platform by no later than 8pm.. i told this to my new hdp manager the other day an she said"ah but that is only a guideline..." so why when i enquired with our head office about this they told me"its never been a guideline..its a rule we have to stick too,otherwise our vehicle insurance will be null and void across the fleet the only exemption is to rdc vehicles i.e. hgv delivering to platforms and stores at night to restock.." so with this in my mind i talked to all the other drivers and mates at my hdp an some of us now refuse to deliver after 6pm even if we still have loads of drops to do its the only way we feel that we can bring this matter to the attention of senior management because one of these days someone is gonna get seriously hurt either a comet driver or mate or a member of the public....
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well for a start i found a little comet rule thats being ignored every day by the the management...No comet home delivery crew is to be delivering b4 8am or after 6pm all vehicles are to be in the hdp platform by no later than 8pm.. i told this to my new hdp manager the other day an she said"ah but that is only a guideline..." so why when i enquired with our head office about this they told me"its never been a guideline..its a rule we have to stick too,otherwise our vehicle insurance will be null and void across the fleet the only exemption is to rdc vehicles i.e. hgv delivering to platforms and stores at night to restock.." so with this in my mind i talked to all the other drivers and mates at my hdp an some of us now refuse to deliver after 6pm even if we still have loads of drops to do its the only way we feel that we can bring this matter to the attention of senior management because one of these days someone is gonna get seriously hurt either a comet driver or mate or a member of the public....
Keep a list of vehicles used outside hours for a week or two and let head office know about it, if they aren't interested I'm sure their insurance company will be.
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well for a start i found a little comet rule thats being ignored every day by the the management...No comet home delivery crew is to be delivering b4 8am or after 6pm all vehicles are to be in the hdp platform by no later than 8pm.. i told this to my new hdp manager the other day an she said"ah but that is only a guideline..." so why when i enquired with our head office about this they told me"its never been a guideline..its a rule we have to stick too,otherwise our vehicle insurance will be null and void across the fleet the only exemption is to rdc vehicles i.e. hgv delivering to platforms and stores at night to restock.." so with this in my mind i talked to all the other drivers and mates at my hdp an some of us now refuse to deliver after 6pm even if we still have loads of drops to do its the only way we feel that we can bring this matter to the attention of senior management because one of these days someone is gonna get seriously hurt either a comet driver or mate or a member of the public....
Now that is a very brave thing to do lets hope that the "Manegement" sticks to the rules of the firm and not try to get rid of you for being a "spanner in the works"
I know in the long run if you were to take the firm to court because of this then you would most definatley win, but the Hassle and the Money that would be involved would be beyond belief.
That is the unfortunate thing about some lines of work.
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Do you have a union in your depot Bertie?
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well there is always that but i have never been afraid to walk where angels fear to tread... i believe that some one should stand up for sumat that thay believe in and thats the one thing my dad taught me whilst growing up i may have a big gob and get into trouble somtimes for telling people what i really think but you live one life no rehearsals no second chances so just go for it....you only have to be true to your self and your family and friends...
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no..but i have been a tgwu member for over twelve years now..i`m starting to convince some of my colleagues to do the same an if we get enough then maybe we can to make abetter difference. I dont want to be scargill i just want a chance to do my job at the best of my abilities an get a decent wage for it...
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well for a start i found a little comet rule thats being ignored every day by the the management...No comet home delivery crew is to be delivering b4 8am or after 6pm all vehicles are to be in the hdp platform by no later than 8pm.. i told this to my new hdp manager the other day an she said"ah but that is only a guideline..." so why when i enquired with our head office about this they told me"its never been a guideline..its a rule we have to stick too,otherwise our vehicle insurance will be null and void across the fleet the only exemption is to rdc vehicles i.e. hgv delivering to platforms and stores at night to restock.." so with this in my mind i talked to all the other drivers and mates at my hdp an some of us now refuse to deliver after 6pm even if we still have loads of drops to do its the only way we feel that we can bring this matter to the attention of senior management because one of these days someone is gonna get seriously hurt either a comet driver or mate or a member of the public....
Keep a list of vehicles used outside hours for a week or two and let head office know about it, if they aren't interested I'm sure their insurance company will be.
Now that is a good idea let the Insurance company put pressure on the firm that way nobody will get Involved an anonomous letter with certain details as the Capt. says :y :y
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well thankyou gents but i`m getting off my soap box on this sunny night an going to enjoy the pizza that the pizza dude just brought an watch a film with the missus an unwind....thanx for all your comments and just remember we work to live..not live to work... :y
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well there is always that but i have never been afraid to walk where angels fear to tread... i believe that some one should stand up for sumat that thay believe in and thats the one thing my dad taught me whilst growing up i may have a big gob and get into trouble somtimes for telling people what i really think but you live one life no rehearsals no second chances so just go for it....you only have to be true to your self and your family and friends...
I agree.. :y
Does not matter where you start work keep in mind if what they are asking you to do cost you money or points then dont do it..
I will work many many hours to the point of exhaustion not driving i may add to earn extra cash and pull a job out of the sh1t..That is my choice and wont cost me but earn me..They will tell you we can get someone else to do this job, they like threatening but i just smile and walk away sometimes for good,, call their bluff it works sometimes.. :y
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no..but i have been a tgwu member for over twelve years now..i`m starting to convince some of my colleagues to do the same an if we get enough then maybe we can to make abetter difference. I dont want to be scargill i just want a chance to do my job at the best of my abilities an get a decent wage for it...
OK as a T&G member ring your local office, one of the RIOs will be able to advise you how to proceed.
If you don't know where to contact, I'm assuming you're in Region 5 (Midlands) so regional office is on Broad Street in Birmingham they will be able to point you in the direction of the local office.