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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Tony H on 07 August 2007, 19:13:38
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We were talking in work today about the scenario of a person driving down a road with a 50 mph limit at a constant speed of 54 mph, going through four speed cameras, would he/she accumulate twelve points and get a ban or would it only count as one offence because the speed of the car didn't drop below the limit? :-/
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Go to court and get off all 4 because AFAIK above 30mph you are allowed 10% error in your speedo, so you can say i was only doing 50 mph but the cameras still flashed me ;D
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We were talking in work today about the scenario of a person driving down a road with a 50 mph limit at a constant speed of 54 mph, going through four speed cameras, would he/she accumulate twelve points and get a ban or would it only count as one offence because the speed of the car didn't drop below the limit? :-/
The way I thought was, each camera would be a separate offence,
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i think this is a reason why they wouldnt put 4 speed cameras along one stretch of road that isnt a motorway
i dont think 54 would trigger a 50 camera but dont take my word for it, and i think any camera image taken is reviewed by human eyes before being sent out to a possible "offender"
4 seperate locations would cause 12 points if the speed is great enough to be considered an offence
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The 50/54 mph and 10% is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion.
All speedo's (not the swimming attire I wore as a yoof, I must stress!) must by law be accurate to within 10% of true speed. Virtually by default, all speedos over guestimate your speed so as to stroke the ego of the driver and the car manufacturer. The bar room boaster would rather say he was showing an indicated 150 rather than an actual 135 or indeed the understimated 120!!
Accepting that the 50/54 mph should perhaps be 50/64 mph, then each 'offence' is held on its own merits and thus each will be worth 3 points and a minimum of £60 each so, yes, in theory, the driver could well be banned before he got to the end of the street.......
HtH
B
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...if there were 4 cameras in that street!
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i was under the impression that if you didnt slow down between cameras then it was still one offence?
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Go to court and get off all 4 because AFAIK above 30mph you are allowed 10% error in your speedo, so you can say i was only doing 50 mph but the cameras still flashed me ;D
10% + 2 in Staffs... @30mph 35 (in theory) is OK
DC
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i was under the impression that if you didnt slow down between cameras then it was still one offence?
how would you prove it?
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i think this is a reason why they wouldnt put 4 speed cameras along one stretch of road that isnt a motorway
i dont think 54 would trigger a 50 camera but dont take my word for it, and i think any camera image taken is reviewed by human eyes before being sent out to a possible "offender"
4 seperate locations would cause 12 points if the speed is great enough to be considered an offence
Can't think of 4 but there are 3 on the A666 coming into Bolton from the M61 and another 2 on the other side going out towards Kearsley since they dropped it to a 50 limit.
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innocent untill proven guilty?
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The 50/54 mph and 10% is a bit of a red herring, in my opinion.
All speedo's (not the swimming attire I wore as a yoof, I must stress!) must by law be accurate to within 10% of true speed. Virtually by default, all speedos over guestimate your speed so as to stroke the ego of the driver and the car manufacturer. The bar room boaster would rather say he was showing an indicated 150 rather than an actual 135 or indeed the understimated 120!!
Accepting that the 50/54 mph should perhaps be 50/64 mph, then each 'offence' is held on its own merits and thus each will be worth 3 points and a minimum of £60 each so, yes, in theory, the driver could well be banned before he got to the end of the street.......
HtH
B
Cheers For clearing that up :y to clarify some of the other posts, no it wasn't a real situation that I was in, the speed was actual speed not the speed indicated on the speedo and regarding so many speed cameras on one stretch of road, have a drive down the A55 in north Wales or the Preston to Blackpool road :o
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Well this has actually happened....some chap not being aware of the speed limit traveled up and down the same road several times each time being caught speeding and yep think he got something like 9 points in one day.
Few months back but that's basically what happened..... ;D
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Well this has actually happened....some chap not being aware of the speed limit traveled up and down the same road several times each time being caught speeding and yep think he got something like 9 points in one day.
Few months back but that's basically what happened..... ;D
Silly moo moo.
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if its the one im thinking off it was a weston -super-mare councillor who actually voted for the things and then bleated that it should of been signposted better
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Virtually by default, all speedos over guestimate your speed so as to stroke the ego of the driver and the car manufacturer.
When I registered the Westfield the requirements of the single vehicle approval test (which may or may not be the same as for full type approval) were that the speedo was not allowed to indicate below the true speed of the vehicle. From memory, at an indicated 70 MPH, the true road speed had to be between 58 and 70 MPH. Had it been 71 MPH it would have failed. The vehicle was run on a calibrated rolling road to measure this.
Compare your speedo with a GPS and you'll find it indicates over the true speed (GPS speed is pretty accurate on the straight at a constant speed). I've tried it in every car I've had and a few more, and I don't think I've ever come across one that under-reads.
Kevin
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Virtually by default, all speedos over guestimate your speed so as to stroke the ego of the driver and the car manufacturer.
When I registered the Westfield the requirements of the single vehicle approval test (which may or may not be the same as for full type approval) were that the speedo was not allowed to indicate below the true speed of the vehicle. From memory, at an indicated 70 MPH, the true road speed had to be between 58 and 70 MPH. Had it been 71 MPH it would have failed. The vehicle was run on a calibrated rolling road to measure this.
Compare your speedo with a GPS and you'll find it indicates over the true speed (GPS speed is pretty accurate on the straight at a constant speed). I've tried it in every car I've had and a few more, and I don't think I've ever come across one that under-reads.
Kevin
...I have when some numpty put bigger wheels on a motor I bought at auction. Was pulled by one of Brucies associates!! nice man took my word and the receipt from auction house, that I had just got the motor.
Put proper sized tyres onto the car and flogged. Turned a nice cheap car from auction into a not so cheap car, are well you live and learn. :-[
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DaveL
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Every speedo I have checked has indicated the speed at 3mph above the actual, this is the needle on the speedo, in theory it will also get worse as the tyres wear....
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Just occured to me, some forces had used to be ZERO tolerance... as Mark says 3mph and worse with tyre wear.... how could they enforce ZT???? No doubts several folks have lost their licences for a few over!!!!
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Well this has actually happened....some chap not being aware of the speed limit traveled up and down the same road several times each time being caught speeding and yep think he got something like 9 points in one day.
Few months back but that's basically what happened..... ;D
My mate's missus got done twice by same camera on the same day, in 2 different cars....
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... but if your speedo was showing 54MPH then your actual speed would probably be around 51MPH (if 3MPH out) or as much as 49MPH if 10% over-reading ... somehow I don't think they'd prosecute you for being 1MPH over the limit, even if it was 3 times along the same road ...
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I heard that if you were caught twice in one journey that you would be done once. I'm not 100pc sure how true this is, maybe i was told a load of bottom fluff?