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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Salty on 13 July 2006, 17:14:06

Title: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Salty on 13 July 2006, 17:14:06: I'm looking at a cambelt kit for a V6 on ebay, says "Genuine Vauxhall 2.5 V6 24 Valve Timing Belt Kit NEW" but the box says gates power grip? this doesn't sound genuine to me?

So it looks like a few of you have changed said belt, has anybody used this kit and is it ok?

I only got my car 2 weeks ago, service history that came with it says belt changed at 80K service, now done 102K so may do the belt in not to distant future. I've got few other things to sort on it as well, cam cover oil leak for one!

Any info will be appreciated. :)
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Markie on 13 July 2006, 17:28:54: ...the real experts will advise on if this is the vx part, but gates are a darn good make.....in my humble opinion
ps TheBoy i did deliberatly use darn ;)
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Salty on 13 July 2006, 17:30:48: Thought it might be, the Ebay seller is actually quite close to where I live and is a specialist engine centre. Any idea how much these things should cost??
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2006, 18:22:41: A dealer can supply for arounf £85 + VAT on tradeclub (if you can blag it). I think around £120 retail. Ronnie McB used to be able to get decent pattern ones cheaper, not sure if if still can.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Salty on 13 July 2006, 20:21:30: The one advertised on ebay is £79.50 buy it now (with £8.99 p&p which I wouldn't need) may just call in there when I get home!
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: boss on 13 July 2006, 20:26:56: Even though 'Gates' is a reputable make.......when it comes to the elastic band and pulleys, always go for genuine ;)

That comment is made with experience of pattern parts :'(
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: B52 on 13 July 2006, 21:50:09: Brake discs too - I had no end of trouble with warping pattern discs.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: TheBoy on 13 July 2006, 21:52:58: Yeah, I've had no end of hassle with pattern front discs. Only ever used genuine cambelt kits, so can't comment on pattern ones...
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: RonaldMcBurger on 13 July 2006, 22:06:46: Gates are as good as they get. The rollers will be SKF, same as vx Genuine ones. Highly recommended kit and not a bad price either. Go for it.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: JasonH on 13 July 2006, 22:07:34: I bought my cambelt kit from Autovaux. The belt was Gates and the bearings SKF.

It seems SKF make the genuine bearings so that's OK, and a bit of research on Gates shows them to be good quality kit and quite a big OEM supplier.

I'd use the kit again, especially after the recent run of genuine tensioner failures.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: markey mark on 13 July 2006, 22:20:43: top gear gates skf best bearings you can get !! go for it at that price 8-)
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Salty on 14 July 2006, 06:47:18: Thanks for all that lads, if anybody else is interested here's the link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Vauxhall-2-5-V6-24-Valve-Timing-Belt-Kit-NEW_W0QQitemZ160006707138QQihZ006QQcategoryZ10404QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 14 July 2006, 08:21:55: I as a rule (with the odd exception i.e. mr McBurgers excellently priced conti kits) use genuine but, at trade club prices its worth it.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: omegaV6CD on 16 July 2006, 05:57:23: Just want to remind to anyone that SKF is the "daddy" of bearings. So yes SKF/gates kit is pretty good.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Markie on 16 July 2006, 08:16:00: i think the general rule for most car parts is go original, no doubt may on here have a tale to tell re pattern part such as brakes and exhausts. The money you save short term is eaten up via poor performance or replacing the part early.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Salty on 16 July 2006, 08:34:20: Sometimes the original part is just the pattern bit repackaged, obviously they don't make all the bits themselves! I suppose if the bits are top quality it shouldn't be a problem?
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: tunnie on 16 July 2006, 11:05:59: after recent experiance I say Genuine Genuine Genuine Genuine only!!!

After meeting up with TheBoy, comparing Halfrauds Oil filter prices with Vx geniune, (Halfrauds: £5.99, Vx Retail: £4.00, Vx Trade: £1.02)

Also looking at the crappy air filter they put in mine, i am only going to use Genuine parts now.
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: summat on 16 July 2006, 12:39:56: Re: Timing belts - having just been quoted by GeoffD (is he here yet?) I would happily throw the Omega in his direction and let him sort it, and wander around town for a couple of hours :)

(sorry, not quiet the d-i-y ethusiast perspective).
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: sounds2k on 16 July 2006, 14:49:19: Geff's here - albeit under a different username - "v6man54deg".

I bought the same kit from a local motor factor's, even though they gave me trade price it was just over £90 inc. VAT IIRC. Went on recommendation from a mate who said that Gates were about the best you can buy for timing belts.

Other prices - a reversing light bulb from Vx on trade club - just over 44p INC VAT, retail pricing from Vx is 76p inc. VAT. I'd have thought Halfrauds would probably be charging at least £1 each - haven't checked though ...
Title: Re: Genuine or pattern parts?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 16 July 2006, 17:37:23: Well I can't get trade prices but want a filter and pelnty of oil as I want to change it, anyone able to do TC near Worcester?