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Title: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: M-Tek Performance on 31 August 2007, 01:28:16
We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Martin_1962 on 31 August 2007, 09:14:18
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We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.


When do you think we will get tuning for the DBW engines - I want mine remapped to take advantage of 99RON fuel
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: tunnie on 31 August 2007, 15:43:01
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We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.


When do you think we will get tuning for the DBW engines - I want mine remapped to take advantage of 99RON fuel

But you use gas?

2.2/2.6/3.2 will probably never get re-mapped....
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Martin_1962 on 31 August 2007, 15:53:40
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We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.


When do you think we will get tuning for the DBW engines - I want mine remapped to take advantage of 99RON fuel

But you use gas?

2.2/2.6/3.2 will probably never get re-mapped....

Yes I do - so I want higher RON but have to keep to 99 for starting and running out
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: M-Tek Performance on 31 August 2007, 19:03:25
Martin,

I will ask the question of my mapping equipment supplier for you.
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Martin_1962 on 31 August 2007, 19:07:09
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Martin,

I will ask the question of my mapping equipment supplier for you.

Thanks :y
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Paul M on 31 August 2007, 19:22:50
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We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.


When do you think we will get tuning for the DBW engines - I want mine remapped to take advantage of 99RON fuel

But you use gas?

2.2/2.6/3.2 will probably never get re-mapped....

Propane is about 110 RON!
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Kevin Wood on 31 August 2007, 20:52:29
If there was a lot to gain from changing the timing for LPG I guess the conversion kits would probably take over control of the ignition and fire the coil packs directly. Depends how the optimum ignition advance varies between the two fuels. Gut feeling says that since the gas is injected in gaseous form it mixes much more readily with the incoming air and forms a mixture that'll burn better than with petrol requiring less ignition idvance if anything, but there are probably lots more factors involved.

Kevin
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Martin_1962 on 31 August 2007, 21:30:48
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If there was a lot to gain from changing the timing for LPG I guess the conversion kits would probably take over control of the ignition and fire the coil packs directly. Depends how the optimum ignition advance varies between the two fuels. Gut feeling says that since the gas is injected in gaseous form it mixes much more readily with the incoming air and forms a mixture that'll burn better than with petrol requiring less ignition idvance if anything, but there are probably lots more factors involved.

Kevin

1) Cost and ease of fitting read up on ignition advance things for Rover V8 conversions

2) SLower burning
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Paul M on 31 August 2007, 22:43:56
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If there was a lot to gain from changing the timing for LPG I guess the conversion kits would probably take over control of the ignition and fire the coil packs directly. Depends how the optimum ignition advance varies between the two fuels. Gut feeling says that since the gas is injected in gaseous form it mixes much more readily with the incoming air and forms a mixture that'll burn better than with petrol requiring less ignition idvance if anything, but there are probably lots more factors involved.

Kevin

Easier said than done... with electronic ignition there's no simple way to advance the timing, as you'd need to do some non-causal signal processing (i.e. predict when the ECU is going to fire before it has actually fired). I think people with old-school distributors do often advance them a few degrees for gas running, but then you have the problem of being too advanced for petrol.

The ideal solution is a higher compression ratio, but then you're into the realms of a propane-specific engine.
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: davlad22 on 01 September 2007, 07:13:32
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We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.
Now i'm twitching  :D

.....and you're only down the road  ;D Have you tried this yet for the 2.2 then?
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: M-Tek Performance on 03 September 2007, 14:33:27
We mapped a 2.0DTI and it went quite nicely :)

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We now have the facility to tune the Omega DTI engine.

We can replace the map on the ECU with a more powerful one.

The 2.0 DTi goes from 100bhp to circa 127bhp, with an increase in torque from 151lbs ft to circa 197lbs ft.

The 2.2 DTi goes from 120bhp to circa 146bhp, with an increase in torque from 206lbs ft to circa 254lbs ft.

prices are £250.00 for the work to be done if you bring the car to us, or £275.00 if we come to you.
Now i'm twitching  :D

.....and you're only down the road  ;D Have you tried this yet for the 2.2 then?
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: davlad22 on 03 September 2007, 14:56:03
Quite rare to see a 2.0 diesel in an omega though - they were only really specced on Irish and european models. Common on vectra. Isn't it the 2.0 DI that is pretty terrible? Or is it indeed DTi that we are talking about?

Is it an electronic 're-map' then or a plug-in module? Does it bring the engine management light on and what are the insurance implications?
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: TheBoy on 03 September 2007, 15:01:57
the 2.0 diesel is quite rare in Omega...
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: M-Tek Performance on 03 September 2007, 15:36:28
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Quite rare to see a 2.0 diesel in an omega though - they were only really specced on Irish and european models. Common on vectra. Isn't it the 2.0 DI that is pretty terrible? Or is it indeed DTi that we are talking about?

Is it an electronic 're-map' then or a plug-in module? Does it bring the engine management light on and what are the insurance implications?

I did a Vectra 2.0 DTI.

Its a proper electronic re-map.

The engine management light does not come on, and you should tell your insurance company.

The plug in module's are no were near as good as an ECU Re-map.
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 03 September 2007, 17:18:06
I guess if the ECU is subsequently updated at a dealer using Tech 2 to put the latest software on that the map would then be over-written?
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: M-Tek Performance on 04 September 2007, 01:28:51
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I guess if the ECU is subsequently updated at a dealer using Tech 2 to put the latest software on that the map would then be over-written?

if they over write the map itself then yes.

however, i could easily put the uprated map back on foc.
Title: Re: Omega DTI tuning
Post by: M-Tek Performance on 07 September 2007, 13:39:47
bump :)