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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: bexandpower on 22 November 2006, 17:36:18
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Just would like to say thanks to everyone that posted before. You have all been a great help.
Well the update is that i have had the car droppped home and had n independant mechanic look at it. He has pointed the finger at the garage where i got it fixed originally. Went out and took some photos of what he described as "shoddy workmanship". It would appear to do witht ht etiming cover rubber and that half of it is inside the timing cover. So i re approched the garge that fitted the belt kit this evening and one mech piped up and said "its not uncommen for these to throw a valve" I thought myself at the time i was just getting fobbed off i mean is this a common thing?????? I would love to know
ok fist time i have tried to post pics but here goes.
(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2797/pb220026jw3.jpg)
ok this is the left bank where the rubber is visible.
(http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8042/pb220028gp6.jpg)
And on the right bank (passenger side) the rubber has dissapeared into the cam cover.
Im guessing that this may be at least part of the reason that the can belt has failed.
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Throw a valve....the guys a fool, give him a slap and shout 'fool' at him.
Thats disgraceful workmanship, I hope its not slipped the belt a tooth or two......still they are liable given the awful quality of the work done.
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Throw a valve....the guys a fool, give him a slap and shout 'fool' at him.
Thats disgraceful workmanship, I hope its not slipped the belt a tooth or two......still they are liable given the awful quality of the work done.
Trust me i wanted to. The belt has slipped thats why i was getting a terrible nocking sound from the engine looks like my valves are f**ed. I hop e they are liable and that they actually hold their hands up and be honest about it but i can't see them volunteering for 2 days work and an engine strip
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If you have problems this link may help
http://www.smmt.co.uk/consumeraffairs/dsp_conaffairs.cfm?catid=913&sid=136&CFID=2208888&CFTOKEN=60919423
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So do you guys think that the theory that the rubber has got caught in the cam workings is plausable?
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So i take it chances that it has just "thrown a valve" are pretty remote yeah?
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Very remote, These engines are one of the best and super reliable, Take the mechanic outside and slap him until he admits he is wrong :y
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One of the moments where you wish that life was a movie and you Steven seagal walking in the mechanics shop being told that these engine throw a valve or two and then there is a blur and the sound of bones snapping.
Idiots, they try to get away by bulshiting the customer. spanermonkeys. Please whatever you do do not let them touch the engine again, ask them to give you compensation.
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the engines are bombproof on omegas particularly the v6 unless of course you fix them in a cowboy fashion - these guys clearly have >:(.
Take further legal advice and speak to someone higher up at the garage. To be honest a monkey would be progression from the fool that worked on your car.
Keep us all posted :y
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Get some advice from Trading Standards or Citizens Advice, you will need evidence of the damage and likely cause to prove negligence so see if your independant mechanics word would be acceptable, perhaps get him to dismantle it and write a report, including photos at each stage of dismantling and showing the cam timing marks when the crank is at TDC. A video would be even better.
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Throw a valve....the guys a fool, give him a slap and shout 'fool' at him.
Thats disgraceful workmanship, I hope its not slipped the belt a tooth or two......still they are liable given the awful quality of the work done.
Trust me i wanted to. The belt has slipped thats why i was getting a terrible nocking sound from the engine looks like my valves are f**ed. I hop e they are liable and that they actually hold their hands up and be honest about it but i can't see them volunteering for 2 days work and an engine strip
Sorry to hear of your problems mate , the guys at this garage sound like a right bunch of BARSTEWARDS!! >:( >:(
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Get some advice from Trading Standards or Citizens Advice, you will need evidence of the damage and likely cause to prove negligence so see if your independant mechanics word would be acceptable, perhaps get him to dismantle it and write a report, including photos at each stage of dismantling and showing the cam timing marks when the crank is at TDC. A video would be even better.
If the garage is a member of a trade assocaition, contact them first.
Also try:
http://www.rmif.co.uk/consumers.aspx
http://www.rmif.co.uk/association.aspx?id=2
If you go to 'Find a Service', you should be able to tell if the garage is listed with RMIF.
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One of the moments where you wish that life was a movie and you Steven seagal walking in the mechanics shop being told that these engine throw a valve or two and then there is a blur and the sound of bones snapping.
Idiots, they try to get away by bulshiting the customer. spanermonkeys. Please whatever you do do not let them touch the engine again, ask them to give you compensation.
yeah was wshing for jet li moment lol Well gonna try whatever i can to get this fixed asap
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Get some advice from Trading Standards or Citizens Advice, you will need evidence of the damage and likely cause to prove negligence so see if your independant mechanics word would be acceptable, perhaps get him to dismantle it and write a report, including photos at each stage of dismantling and showing the cam timing marks when the crank is at TDC. A video would be even better.
Would be nice although nice mr independant want £300 +VAT to do that
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Get some advice from Trading Standards or Citizens Advice, you will need evidence of the damage and likely cause to prove negligence so see if your independant mechanics word would be acceptable, perhaps get him to dismantle it and write a report, including photos at each stage of dismantling and showing the cam timing marks when the crank is at TDC. A video would be even better.
If the garage is a member of a trade assocaition, contact them first.
Also try:
http://www.rmif.co.uk/consumers.aspx
http://www.rmif.co.uk/association.aspx?id=2
If you go to 'Find a Service', you should be able to tell if the garage is listed with RMIF.
So if they are a member they will have certain codes of conduct to adhere to then?
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Ahhh just read the small print on that web site looks like i may be able to sort something yet WOOHOOO!!! I can get the omega back!
Guys you have all been terrific i will keep you posted as things transpire
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Are you a member of the AA or RAC? They may also be able to help.
Good luck, anyway. :y
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member of green flag but alas no not the rac or the aa
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RMIF offers free concilation services, so you can complain to them, but did you check that the garage is indeed an RMIF member?
See also:
http://www.rmif.co.uk/Images/Uploaded/Download_108.pdf
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RMIF offers free concilation services, so you can complain to them, but did you check that the garage is indeed an RMIF member?
See also:
http://www.rmif.co.uk/Images/Uploaded/Download_108.pdf
yes indeed they are
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RMIF offers free concilation services, so you can complain to them, but did you check that the garage is indeed an RMIF member?
See also:
http://www.rmif.co.uk/Images/Uploaded/Download_108.pdf
yes indeed they are
Well you're in luck mate :y
Follow protocol, write to the garage formally, and also mention that should they not honour their obligations blah-blah-blah then you will have no choice but to bring this matter to the RMIF conciliation service... this should bring them around.
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looking at it more and more i REALLY dont want the garage that did my cam belt to to the repair. I mean does the garage have an obligation to fufill my request to get it repaired elsewhere?
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If you are going down the route of conciliation, you are unlikely to get them to pay the full cost of another garage putting right what they did wrong. And I think they need to be given a reasonable chance to put right what they did wrong... but ultimately you will probably be seeking some rebate, which may still leave you out of pocket but you will be better off than not getting anything from them.
You may get the full cost of another garage fixing it if you go to small claims, in which case you should pay the independent the £300 for preparing the evidence and then claim it back off the garage through the courts. But realistically if you choose the asy option of conciliation, you may get back from the garage the original cost of the repair, or at least the labour if they say that the parts are re-usable.
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im going to go and have a little chat with them tommorrow and see wht happens from there.
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Good luck I understand why you don't want them to do the job..but they are likely to make sure they do it right this time.. ;)
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Throw a valve....the guys a fool, give him a slap and shout 'fool' at him.
Thats disgraceful workmanship, I hope its not slipped the belt a tooth or two......still they are liable given the awful quality of the work done.
With Mr T voice!!
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Ok some good news at last *I hope*. went and saw the garage today and they say it had slipped slighty (i immediatly thought Ouuuuuchhh) then they said they have re timed it and it runs perfectly just waiting on a couple of replacement parts and i can have my meega back with no damadged valves!
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Throw a valve....the guys a fool, give him a slap and shout 'fool' at him.
Thats disgraceful workmanship, I hope its not slipped the belt a tooth or two......still they are liable given the awful quality of the work done.
With Mr T voice!!
No on touches my car fooool lol
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when you get it back - take it somewheree else for a second opinion that its ok :y
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when you get it back - take it somewheree else for a second opinion that its ok :y
Will do i have local vx nut mechanic thats well into his 3.0v6. After seeing his was most of the reason for buying one
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when you get it back - take it somewheree else for a second opinion that its ok :y
Will do i have local vx nut mechanic thats well into his 3.0v6. After seeing his was most of the reason for buying one
Sounds good - or get it to one of the local regulars on here :y Either way fingers crossed for you that it comes back good ;)!
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Ok some good news at last *I hope*. went and saw the garage today and they say it had slipped slighty (i immediatly thought Ouuuuuchhh) then they said they have re timed it and it runs perfectly just waiting on a couple of replacement parts and i can have my meega back with no damadged valves!
Good result :y
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:D
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Ok went to go and get my car today *finally* and then when i went to go start it she was running really badly the tappets were noisy and the car was chugging as if something major was wrong The interior light would go dimmer and brighter with the rpm of the engine which ws fluctuating. I think i may have valve damadge after all so i cam e home in a rather bad mood over what should have been a great day! >:(
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surley they tested it before releasing it to you.....have you consulted that garage again ?
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they said they test drove it but its still running like cr*p
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they said they test drove it but its still running like cr*p
either take it back to them tell them you are rejecting the work done and mention trading standards....
or find another reputable garage, or consult AA ( the) see what advice they can offer with a view to diagnosis - although i wouldnt be paying anything elsewhere to fix it yet.... >:(
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oh and if you go back take whoever test drove it out and get them to comment on it and ask them if they deem it satisfactory - :y
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Yeah not going to be paying another garage to fix it just yet so do you recon with what has gone on valve damadge is the most likely candidate?
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I alreldy got one of the mechs that was there at the time (the only one there mind!) and even he didnt say it was running right.