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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: RonaldMcBurger on 07 September 2006, 19:05:00
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You may choose more than one option! For me the number one is tailgating
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Yippee [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] another poll
Tailgating and lane hogging, theres just no need :(
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All of above, and Other for not knowing when to use the orange flashy things on each corner of car...
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Hey, what about indicating right when going straight across a roundabout?
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You may choose more than one option! For me the number one is tailgating
Thanks for thr opportunity Finlay,
well i hate when someone is planning to overtake 8 vehicles on the motorway which have an average distance of 30 meters between them and he changes lane 8 times intead of staying on the bloody right lane overtake whoever they want and then go left and enjoy admiring the beautifull nature. That's all other than that i believe that the UK drivers have a very good education with regards to road behaviour.
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Tailgating lanehogging and people that go all the way round the roundabout in the outside lane >:(
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All of above, and Other for not knowing when to use the orange flashy things on each corner of car...
I thought they were for the alarm ?? ;D
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well i hate when someone is planning to overtake 8 vehicles on the motorway which have an average distance of 30 meters between them and he changes lane 8 times intead of staying on the bloody right lane overtake whoever they want and then go left and enjoy admiring the beautifull nature. That's all other than that i believe that the UK drivers have a very good education with regards to road behaviour.
but if they moved back left more often it would allow me to overtake rather than dawdle along behind waiting for him to get a move on. ;)
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tail gateing boy racers in clits are by far the most anoying and people in flashing me in the outside lane to move over when im allready doing 80+ and not forgetting people doing 20mph in a 40 zone really gets my goat >:(
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I thought they were for the alarm ?? ;D
They are on BMW's ::)
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Waiting at a set of traffic lights in the outside lane, then signaling right when the lights change. >:(
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I selected all of them as i am a grumpy barsteward so there huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I selected all of them as i am a grumpy barsteward so there huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me too & 'cos not using indicators ain't on there :D
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jesus evryone here has a major problem with tailgaiting i just dont get it, ive been rearended by a quarry truck so hard it mangled the ladder frame on a substantial jeep so i understand the dangers involved, but as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye
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The last minute junction leaver, flys down the outside lane then cuts across everyone causing them to brake hard or the LGV driver who doesn't want to loose the .5 mph they have on the wagon in front and pulls out to overtake knowing that the car driver will not want to risk hitting a vehicle twenty time heavier. Now that really gets my goat.
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All of the above......plus.......women, old people, young people, oh, yes, and policemen. In fact, anyone whose not me.
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I'm finding that I get cut up and tailgated on a daily basis,especially on the M60 around Manchester. Braking hard whilst being tailgated is very dangerous,more so in the wet. I tend to drop back further from the car in front ,leaving more time for braking, therefore avoiding having to slam on when the traffic slows down.
This can frustate the tailgater to the extent that they try to dive up the inside .so I then swiftly close the gap to the car in front whilst the guy who was tailgating my tailgater closes up to then tailgate me leaving the first tailgater seething in the middle lane with nowhere to go!
So much fun when it comes together,and it's legal.
8-)
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Ticked everything but caravans
Hate non signallers, wrong lane users on roundabouts
Doddery old gits
People who drive everywhere at 40mph (upset a work mate saying this!!!!)
And caravans pulled by planks who don't consider that the long queue behind them want to get past. Yes I was towing mine yes I did flash at him to get him to pull over -but they only did it because they thought there was a problem.
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Actually I forgot my real pet hate.
When you are doing 70mph quite legally. Some numpty passes you then cust in 20ft in front, spots the speed camara and slows down to 50mph, meaning you pull and and overtake (still doing 70). Half way through the overtake we all pass the camera and then they speed up again.
When will people realise that you will NOT get done for doing 70mph in a 70mph zone!
And another.
50mph advanced waring sign on motorway, ie 50mph 1 mile ahead. That means that in 1 mile the speed limit will be 50mph, NOT NOW!!!!!!
So, I carry on at 70mph passing them all. Get towards the 50mph zone, slow down to 50mph, and get passed by the same morons now doing 60mph!
And another......
LORRY DRIVERS. You know the ones, they wait until you are 3mm from passing them and on comes the indicator whilst they swerev in front of you.
Or, they will race you away from the lights somehow and then do 40mph all the way along this A road. But when you get to the one and only dueal carriageway bit, they want to overtake their hairy girlfriend in the other 40 tonner, and they take the full 2 miles to do so - cutting back in just as it retirns to a single carriageway again.
Or they flash everone who passes them as if to say 'its ok, you've got 1ft clearance - please pull in front of me so I can kill you when you stop!'
Grrrrrrrrrr >:(
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And another....
The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones >:(
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Women drivers in Micra's that sit in the middle lane of the M5 and NEVER change lane because they are too scared too >:( AAHHHHHHH!!!!
Tbh, anyone that drives a Micra shouldn't be allowed on the road in the first place ::)
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Anyone driving at a different speed to me.
I always drive at precisely the correct speed. This is demonstrated by the fact that anyone who overtakes me is a prat with a death wish and anyone who causes me to slow down is a tosser who needs to retake their driving test.
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Oh yeah, people who are about to get in their car, they look around, see you coming & yet still open their door just as you get to them making you swerve/brake hard :(
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Anyone driving at a different speed to me.
I always drive at precisely the correct speed. This is demonstrated by the fact that anyone who overtakes me is a prat with a death wish and anyone who causes me to slow down is a tosser who needs to retake their driving test.
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You must be the one that sits at 70 in the outside lane of 4 then wonders why people are coming up the inside of you! ;D
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I must say all of the above, all of them annoy me. :)
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Yes, as someone has touched on above....
Anyone who drives slower than me is a doddery old fool. Anyone who drives faster is a bloody maniac!
I find most drivers are actually quite good. The bad ones are generally lorry drivers, women, old people, young people, nissan micra drivers, people with any 4x4 vehicles, lorry drivers, lorry drivers, people with 8 kids in the back none of which have seat belts on, lorry drivers, everyone that uses the M1, lorry drivers, people who slow right down when they see a police car even though they are not speeding in the first place, queue jumpers, caravanners who don't give a toss (Martin Imber is NOT in this list), lorry drivers, boy racers, girl racers with 'bitch' on their cars, anyone in a Ford Fiesta, anyone with a hat on, anyone wearing leather gloves, scooter drivers with a pea shooter exhaust who like texting with one hand whilst driving 8" behind me, anyone who tries to bully me into getting out of their way when I am overtaking at 70mph - just makes me ease off the gas and take that bit longer, lorry drivers, anyone who is in front of me at a two lane set of lights who puts their indictaor on to turn right just after the lights change to green, anyone who does their paperwork while driving, anyone doing 40mph on the M1 yesterday in a 1978 Morris Marina with a 2 mile queue behind them, anyone who doesn't understand car park machines that require you to pay BEFORE you get to the barrier with me behind them......
And this is just a small sample!
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Yes, as someone has touched on above....
Anyone who drives slower than me is a doddery old fool. Anyone who drives faster is a bloody maniac!
I find most drivers are actually quite good. The bad ones are generally lorry drivers, women, old people, young people, nissan micra drivers, people with any 4x4 vehicles, lorry drivers, lorry drivers, people with 8 kids in the back none of which have seat belts on, lorry drivers, everyone that uses the M1, lorry drivers, people who slow right down when they see a police car even though they are not speeding in the first place, queue jumpers, caravanners who don't give a toss (Martin Imber is NOT in this list), lorry drivers, boy racers, girl racers with 'bitch' on their cars, anyone in a Ford Fiesta, anyone with a hat on, anyone wearing leather gloves, scooter drivers with a pea shooter exhaust who like texting with one hand whilst driving 8" behind me, anyone who tries to bully me into getting out of their way when I am overtaking at 70mph - just makes me ease off the gas and take that bit longer, lorry drivers, anyone who is in front of me at a two lane set of lights who puts their indictaor on to turn right just after the lights change to green, anyone who does their paperwork while driving, anyone doing 40mph on the M1 yesterday in a 1978 Morris Marina with a 2 mile queue behind them, anyone who doesn't understand car park machines that require you to pay BEFORE you get to the barrier with me behind them......
And this is just a small sample!
Yeah OK, off the fence time now... what about lorry drivers ? ;D ;D
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Well having now riven through
UK
France
Switzerland
Austria
Italy
Germany
Chezk Rep
Netherlands
Belgium.....
I can honestly say that the Uk drivers are the worst!
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Well having now riven through
UK
France
Switzerland
Austria
Italy
Germany
Chezk Rep
Netherlands
Belgium.....
I can honestly say that the Uk drivers are the worst!
I agree, perhaps with exception of Italy - esp the cities. One rule in Italian cities - every man for himself ;D. Its not how you drive, its how good you look whilst driving...
Whilst driving through Genoa earlier this year, bit of traffic jam anyway, but people in front started a heavy petting session halfway across a traffic light junction, much to the annoyance of a bus driver who was waving his arms a lot. L'amour....
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Well having now riven through
UK
France
Switzerland
Austria
Italy
Germany
Chezk Rep
Netherlands
Belgium.....
I can honestly say that the Uk drivers are the worst!
...and you've driven in France and Italy? :o
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The French drivers, outside of Paris, are generally good. Even in big congested cities like Lyon, people aren't constantly lane changing in traffic jams to try to get a few feet ahead...
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They've quietened down a bit then since I last drove there.
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And another....
The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones >:(
Thats cobblers, why not go the the front of the queue and merge in turn, if you did it would reduce the length of the jam, even more so if the traffic is allowed to merge in turn!!!
If your sitting a mile back in the queue and theres nothing in the outside lane all you are doing is moving the queue further down the road, and meaning itll take longer to get through the road works.
And the stupid lorries who block the lanes miles before the roadworks are even worse!
Another thing that annoys me is people who do 40 in a national speed limit zone then continue to drive through a 30 zone still doing 40!
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People who return to their car after paying for their petrol,then take ages before driving off when I'm waiting to fill up. >:(
Drivers who swing right before taking a left turn! ::)(in a car, not a truck)
Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.
Able bodied people who park in disabled bays then get aggressive when asked to move.
People who get in the outside lane at trafic lights then set off at a snails pace.
Drivers who won't overtake a police car doing 65mph on the motorway.
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And another....
The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones >:(
Thats cobblers, why not go the the front of the queue and merge in turn, if you did it would reduce the length of the jam, even more so if the traffic is allowed to merge in turn!!!
If your sitting a mile back in the queue and theres nothing in the outside lane all you are doing is moving the queue further down the road, and meaning itll take longer to get through the road works.
And the stupid lorries who block the lanes miles before the roadworks are even worse!
Another thing that annoys me is people who do 40 in a national speed limit zone then continue to drive through a 30 zone still doing 40!
Alas, I would have to disagree with this, as the cars have to come to a standstill to allow merge, as already at restriction. If you're fully merged by, for example, the 800yrd marker, traffic can remain flowing through the restriction. Any stops at restriction, will result in bigger tailback further back.
Guess who cot a City & Guilds in traffic management. And another in setting up traffic lights?
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People who return to their car after paying for their petrol,then take ages before driving off when I'm waiting to fill up. >:(
Some drivers appear to need to slow read receipt, then perform a full pfc (Pre Flight Check) before pulling off >:(
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Having driven many a mile on motorways in my time, I have to say the most irritating of trends is using the middle and RHL when there's nothing in lane 1!!!
I'm positively anal about my lane discipline and am incensed on a regular basis by the nuggets doing sub60 in lanes 2 & 3 when there's about a mile of clear road in lane 1.
Guess where you'll find me?
The other thing that rattles my cage, is when I do need to change lanes to overtake, the assholes in lane 2 close the gap up because they've got the arse that I dared undertake them!! Sorry muppet, I'm the one using the road properly!! >:(
If they'd only realise that once I've passed the object in lane 1, I'll go back there and be out their way!!
I could go on and on and on!! My final word is that a) the driving test isn't strict enough, and b) there's too much emphasis on busting people for breaking the speed limit by a few miles an hour when there's much more inconsiderate, (not to mention dangerous!), driving going on and nothing being done about it!!
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as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye
Sorry, but I have to strongly disagree.
If I'm travelling dead on the correct speed limit taking into account the road, traffic and whether conditions, they have no right tailgating and are just ARSEHOLES.
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what annoys me most - from the poll - i would say all of them
And on top of that people that drive under the speed limit - i CANT ABIDE folk that do 30mph in a 30mph zone and maintain it into a 60mph!!
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I just ticked the lot 'cos they all annoy the sh*t out of me. I suppose if I had to make a choice of only one it would have to be lane hogging.....grrrrrrr >:(
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j....... but as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye
No, I totally disagree with this. If I am overtaking someone who is in lane 2 doing 60mph, usually a lorry and I am doing 70mph in lane 3, there is no justifyable reason for any brain dead numpty to be driving 8ft behind me. Once I have passed the lorry and gained a safe distance in front I return to lane 2 and then lane 1.
Tailgating is illegal under ALL circumstances. It is highly dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable ever.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about here.
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And another.........
I have to use a lot of "B" road across country driving to and from work and one of the most INFURIATING things I come across are drivers (particularly women - sorry lady Omega drivers) that think cars are not designed to go round bends and end up braking for every damn bend or kink in the road. This is even worse on dark evenings as their bl**dy brake lights are flashing on and off like disco lights!! >:( >:( >:(
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what really gets up my nose is the people who drive at 40mph EVERYWARE!!
40mph in town
40mph in a village
40mph on 60 road...
I was following someone the other day, on wide 60 limit road were most people do 65/70.... 40 all the way... hit the 30 limit, i slow. They continue at the same speed >:(
Oh and middle lane hoggin at night, many times i fly past people in the inside lane who are sitting in the middle lane, and this is not illegal if you stay in the inside lane and not move out after passing them
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Oh and middle lane hoggin at night, many times i fly past people in the inside lane who are sitting in the middle lane, and this is not illegal if you stay in the inside lane and not move out after passing them
Are you sure about this tunnie?
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j....... but as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye
No, I totally disagree with this. If I am overtaking someone who is in lane 2 doing 60mph, usually a lorry and I am doing 70mph in lane 3, there is no justifyable reason for any brain dead numpty to be driving 8ft behind me. Once I have passed the lorry and gained a safe distance in front I return to lane 2 and then lane 1.
Tailgating is illegal under ALL circumstances. It is highly dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable ever.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about here.
And it's usually some brain dead kid in a clapped out 1.0ltr Fiesta who is totaly unware an Omega can outbrake him.
Some time ago I was travelling on the M5 overtaking in the centre lane at 70, traffic howling past me in the outside lane when a BMW overtook me with a Fiesta right up his boot, the Beemers brake lights came on, the Fiesta stamped on his brakes, hit the centre reservation, bounced off, careered through the traffic on the inside 2 lanes, and came to a halt on the incline on the grass verge.
How he didn't hit anyone else I do not know. But at least he may think twice about doing it again.
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And another....
The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones >:(
Thats cobblers, why not go the the front of the queue and merge in turn, if you did it would reduce the length of the jam, even more so if the traffic is allowed to merge in turn!!!
If your sitting a mile back in the queue and theres nothing in the outside lane all you are doing is moving the queue further down the road, and meaning itll take longer to get through the road works.
And the stupid lorries who block the lanes miles before the roadworks are even worse!
Another thing that annoys me is people who do 40 in a national speed limit zone then continue to drive through a 30 zone still doing 40!
Alas, I would have to disagree with this, as the cars have to come to a standstill to allow merge, as already at restriction. If you're fully merged by, for example, the 800yrd marker, traffic can remain flowing through the restriction. Any stops at restriction, will result in bigger tailback further back.
Guess who cot a City & Guilds in traffic management. And another in setting up traffic lights?
But the piont is the traffic is merging further back from the obstruction, therefore the available road area has been reduced by 1/3 causing the tail back that would be at the cones further back down hence creating a longer traffic jam. Thats just simple physics. Thats why if the outside(overtaking lane) is clear i feel fully justified to use it :)
And as far as setting up traffic lights go, my new roads and streetworks act qualification means i can set up temp roadworks or supervise it being done ;)
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And another....
The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones >:(
Thats cobblers, why not go the the front of the queue and merge in turn, if you did it would reduce the length of the jam, even more so if the traffic is allowed to merge in turn!!!
If your sitting a mile back in the queue and theres nothing in the outside lane all you are doing is moving the queue further down the road, and meaning itll take longer to get through the road works.
And the stupid lorries who block the lanes miles before the roadworks are even worse!
Another thing that annoys me is people who do 40 in a national speed limit zone then continue to drive through a 30 zone still doing 40!
Alas, I would have to disagree with this, as the cars have to come to a standstill to allow merge, as already at restriction. If you're fully merged by, for example, the 800yrd marker, traffic can remain flowing through the restriction. Any stops at restriction, will result in bigger tailback further back.
Guess who cot a City & Guilds in traffic management. And another in setting up traffic lights?
But the piont is the traffic is merging further back from the obstruction, therefore the available road area has been reduced by 1/3 causing the tail back that would be at the cones further back down hence creating a longer traffic jam. Thats just simple physics. Thats why if the outside(overtaking lane) is clear i feel fully justified to use it :)
And as far as setting up traffic lights go, my new roads and streetworks act qualification means i can set up temp roadworks or supervise it being done ;)
Im sticking to my guns on this one, if you use your example Phil of one lane having a one mile tailback and the other being empty, if half of these drivers moved into the empty lane you would have two lanes with a half mile tailback in each one, resulting in the same amount of traffic approaching a one lane restriction, now thats just simple physics!!!
As for the lorry drivers blocking lanes, whilst i agree with you in principal, it is probably for different reasons, this act by lorry drivers can cause problems to emergency services etc etc trying to get through roadworks. The reason why lorry drivers have resulted to doing this is, like the rest of us we are fed up with selfish pig headed drivers trying to gain a few hundred metres over everyone else. If people were more considerate on the roads, i'm sure they wouldn't feel the need to do this,after all you have just ignored three miles of signs telling you that there is a lane closed ahead and you should move out of it !!!!!!!!!!
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j....... but as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye
No, I totally disagree with this. If I am overtaking someone who is in lane 2 doing 60mph, usually a lorry and I am doing 70mph in lane 3, there is no justifyable reason for any brain dead numpty to be driving 8ft behind me. Once I have passed the lorry and gained a safe distance in front I return to lane 2 and then lane 1.
Tailgating is illegal under ALL circumstances. It is highly dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable ever.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about here.
I totally agree with Fin, 100% - it is mindless, unexcusable and brain dead behaviour under ANY circumstances.
Just a shame the police don't do anything about it.
It should be punished as much as drink driving.
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Oh and middle lane hoggin at night, many times i fly past people in the inside lane who are sitting in the middle lane, and this is not illegal if you stay in the inside lane and not move out after passing them
Are you sure about this tunnie?
There's two ways to look at it........................
(And I do appreciate that the HC's not the law!!)
1) The Highway Code states that you should stay in the furthestmost left lane as it's safe to do so until such times as you have to pull out to overtake a vehicle. You don't have to overtake if there's no-one in your way do you? And as long as you're not being stupid about it, who's to say otherwise?
2) The Highway Code states that it's permissible to undertake in queueing traffic. If lanes 2 & 3 are full of traffic doing 50 -60, then I class that as queuing and feel quite justified in using lane 1 at the maximum permissible speed!
In most cases, you'll find me, wherever possible, in lane 1 of any motorway, (unless some ignorant f-witt's blocking my access to it!!). I have to say, (and I hate using the word!), that I undertake about as many cars as I overtake. And I also have to say, that I don't do it aggressively or dangerously either!! (before you all start thinking I'm some sort of ned with a deathwish!!
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Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.
Now i should bite at this...but i wont ;D
Passengers usually want to be dropped why they have asked to be dropped, sometimes not in a convienent place...but hey they are paying and usually dont appreciate a 1/2 mile walk coz it wasnt convienent to stop.
What does get my goat is for example.....one of our regular pickups is disabled kids on a narrow road....you carnt expect them to walk far.....and just at the pickup its a high kerb....so i aint bumping my meega up on the pavement....so i pull up outside.....and the cars behind have to queue to get pass.....against the oncoming traffic....ive been sworn at for it....horns blown.....i just think winkers....if you knew i was picking up disabled kids you'd be a bit more patient!
I could add more.....but im not biting ;D
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Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.
Now i should bite at this...but i wont ;D
Passengers usually want to be dropped why they have asked to be dropped, sometimes not in a convienent place...but hey they are paying and usually dont appreciate a 1/2 mile walk coz it wasnt convienent to stop.
What does get my goat is for example.....one of our regular pickups is disabled kids on a narrow road....you carnt expect them to walk far.....and just at the pickup its a high kerb....so i aint bumping my meega up on the pavement....so i pull up outside.....and the cars behind have to queue to get pass.....against the oncoming traffic....ive been sworn at for it....horns blown.....i just think winkers....if you knew i was picking up disabled kids you'd be a bit more patient!
I could add more.....but im not biting ;D
Why not, i just did. If youv'e got something to say TD you say it mate. You're entitled to your opinion as much as the next guy ;)
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Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.
Now i should bite at this...but i wont ;D
Passengers usually want to be dropped why they have asked to be dropped, sometimes not in a convienent place...but hey they are paying and usually dont appreciate a 1/2 mile walk coz it wasnt convienent to stop.
What does get my goat is for example.....one of our regular pickups is disabled kids on a narrow road....you carnt expect them to walk far.....and just at the pickup its a high kerb....so i aint bumping my meega up on the pavement....so i pull up outside.....and the cars behind have to queue to get pass.....against the oncoming traffic....ive been sworn at for it....horns blown.....i just think winkers....if you knew i was picking up disabled kids you'd be a bit more patient!
I could add more.....but im not biting ;D
Why not, i just did. If youv'e got something to say TD you say it mate. You're entitled to your opinion as much as the next guy ;)
Quite so Timbuk. Its a forum so we all get our chance to say our two penneth. You dont have to agree with the other guy to want to get your point of view across and I hope we are all grown up enough to listen to other viewpoints and discuss them. Go for it TD
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No indicators, and having the fukwit lights on. That'll be your average chav then, on both counts >:(
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There's two ways to look at it........................
(And I do appreciate that the HC's not the law!!)
1) The Highway Code states that you should stay in the furthestmost left lane as it's safe to do so until such times as you have to pull out to overtake a vehicle. You don't have to overtake if there's no-one in your way do you? And as long as you're not being stupid about it, who's to say otherwise?
2) The Highway Code states that it's permissible to undertake in queueing traffic. If lanes 2 & 3 are full of traffic doing 50 -60, then I class that as queuing and feel quite justified in using lane 1 at the maximum permissible speed!
In most cases, you'll find me, wherever possible, in lane 1 of any motorway, (unless some ignorant f-witt's blocking my access to it!!). I have to say, (and I hate using the word!), that I undertake about as many cars as I overtake. And I also have to say, that I don't do it aggressively or dangerously either!! (before you all start thinking I'm some sort of ned with a deathwish!!
Me too... I just bomb past them in the inside lane. Why the hell should I move out to lane 3 to pass, then back to lane 1, and repeat every mile or so when I get to the next retard sitting in the middle lane? I really don't get the obsession so many people in this country have with the middle lane. It amazes me driving at night with how many cars you can pass just sitting in lane 1 all the way.
I've always agreed with the principle of "no overtaking on the left" for safety reasons, but gave up a few years ago as the lane discipline is terrible so you're just contributing to the problem having to keep switching extra lanes and blocking lane 3 when it should still be free if you overtake in lane 2. After driving in the US a few times where they just use whatever lane is available, I've realised it's the best solution when people simply ignore the fundamental "keep left unless overtaking" requirement that our system requires. Therefore, I tend to use the leftmost lane that's available, and only move out to pass a car in lane 1. If there happen to be cars in lane 2 or even 3, I'm quite happy to pass them in lane 1. And I don't give a toss about what the highway code says about it, those rules only work if everyone follows them, which they clearly do not!
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Oh dear. there are some very mis-informed drivers amongst us.
The highway code most certainly does NOT say it is ok to undertake ever! What it refers to is lanes of SLOW moving traffic and your lane moves a bit quicker, then maybe another lane moves a bit quicker. It does NOT imply or suggest that you change to a lane on the left to overtake - except in a one way street. Traffic moving at 50-60mph is not slow moving!
As for driving at night and you come up on someone going slower in lane 2, you MUST overtake in lane 3. It is only a matter of time before one of these drivers suddenly notices you at the last second and moves over to lane 1 to make room. then you will have a serious problem.
I agree that they can be annoying. If I am on the M1 and there are lorries doing 60mph in lane 1, I will sit in lane 2 at 70mph unless there are very long gaps between the lorries. This is because I do not want to have a car half overtake me, sit on my rear wing and thus force me to slow down just to pull out behind them to overtake another lorry! Also, as I am doing the maximum legal speed anyone wanting to go faster wants to break the law. I fail to see why I should end up being inconvenienced and forced to get boxed in just to help someone who wants to speed!
I am aware also that if I am in Lane 1 doing 70mph, I am often the slowest vehicle on the moroway and do get passed by just about everything, including Mercedes Sprinter vans! As a guess I would think that the majority of car drivers do about 85mph on the motorway.
As a PDI I do not have the desire to get endorsements. I need my license. I regard myself as an extremely good driver, but unlike most other drivers who think likeewise I have had my beliefs confirmed by the DSA who agree that I am an expert driver.
Don't get me wrong here guys. If some idiot in a BMW or Audi (usual culprits) wants to fly up behind me at 120mph, I am not staying where they may collide with me. I am able to get people to drop back safely or force them to overtake me without them even realising it. I do not get into gestures, sudden braking, hazard flashing or any of that stuff. I also have never had an accident in 26 years of driving!
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Oh dear. there are some very mis-informed drivers amongst us.
Y'think?
The highway code most certainly does NOT say it is ok to undertake ever! What it refers to is lanes of SLOW moving traffic and your lane moves a bit quicker, then maybe another lane moves a bit quicker. It does NOT imply or suggest that you change to a lane on the left to overtake - except in a one way street. Traffic moving at 50-60mph is not slow moving!
Fair enough Fin', I chose my words badly. I must say that I do not intentionally change lanes to undertake at all!! I change lanes to adopt the correct lane. However! Are you saying that should I be travelling in lane 1 at 70 MPH, (give or take, we all know speedos can be out by a fair bit sometimes dependant on tyre wear and even atmospheric conditions), and there're vehicles in lanes 2 & 3 travelling slower than that, that I should adjust my speed to match theirs? Or even change lanes to join the flocks of sheep?
As for driving at night and you come up on someone going slower in lane 2, you MUST overtake in lane 3. It is only a matter of time before one of these drivers suddenly notices you at the last second and moves over to lane 1 to make room. then you will have a serious problem.
The way I see it, if they haven't noticed the courtesy flashes I give them when approaching, then they're never going to notice me..........ever! In the event I do pass someone on the left, it's always done in as safe a manner as possible.
I agree that they can be annoying. If I am on the M1 and there are lorries doing 60mph in lane 1, I will sit in lane 2 at 70mph unless there are very long gaps between the lorries. This is because I do not want to have a car half overtake me, sit on my rear wing and thus force me to slow down just to pull out behind them to overtake another lorry! Also, as I am doing the maximum legal speed anyone wanting to go faster wants to break the law. I fail to see why I should end up being inconvenienced and forced to get boxed in just to help someone who wants to speed!
I've had this debate a million times and no matter how many times I have it, it always comes down to one thing. KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING!!! If it's safe to retire to lane 1 then you should END OF!! All you're doing in that situation Fin' is fighting fire with fire and causing yet more congestion!!
As a PDI I do not have the desire to get endorsements. I need my license. I regard myself as an extremely good driver, but unlike most other drivers who think likeewise I have had my beliefs confirmed by the DSA who agree that I am an expert driver.
No offence Fin', but I've met some driving instructors with some fairly warped views on the rules of the road!! Including one that said that if he was driving at or above the posted speed limit that he would intentionally stay in lane 3 because no-one should be driving faster than that anyway and therefore he shouldn't have to move over!! I had to leave!!
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I did hear that overtaking on the inside was gonna be made legal.....tho not sure how many years off this would be.
I agree with Ron about pulling over and then getting yourself boxed in and having to slow down....this happens to me many times and annoys me.
Also I dont mind if say im in the 3rd lane and someone creeps pass me in lane 2....coz lane two is moving faster than lane 3..and stays in lane 2...what does annoy me....and why isnt they're an unmarked plod car about when.....im sitting in lane 3 in traffic doing say 60mph and some winker comes screaming past in lane 2 then coz he carnt get another further in lane 2 jumps into lane 3 in front of me filling the two car gap that i had left (for safety) causing me to brake and drop back to another two car gap. Sometimes if i see them coming....i close the gap up a bit so they carnt change lanes in front of me....but i dont really like doing it as it compromises my safety zone!
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what does annoy me....and why isnt they're an unmarked plod car about when.....im sitting in lane 3 in traffic doing say 60mph and some winker comes screaming past in lane 2 then coz he carnt get another further in lane 2 jumps into lane 3 in front of me filling the two car gap that i had left (for safety) causing me to brake and drop back to another two car gap. Sometimes if i see them coming....i close the gap up a bit so they carnt change lanes in front of me....but i dont really like doing it as it compromises my safety zone!
The fact that the so called 'winker' can pass you on the LHS at all means that you're not using the road properly in the first place! I think in this case you're the pot and the 'winker's the kettle.
I'm also fairly sure that a 30 - 35 foot gap isn't a safe distance to be travelling behind the car in front of you at 60 MPH!!
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what does annoy me....and why isnt they're an unmarked plod car about when.....im sitting in lane 3 in traffic doing say 60mph and some winker comes screaming past in lane 2 then coz he carnt get another further in lane 2 jumps into lane 3 in front of me filling the two car gap that i had left (for safety) causing me to brake and drop back to another two car gap. Sometimes if i see them coming....i close the gap up a bit so they carnt change lanes in front of me....but i dont really like doing it as it compromises my safety zone!
The fact that the so called 'winker' can pass you on the LHS at all means that you're not using the road properly in the first place! I think in this case you're the pot and the 'winker's the kettle.
I'm also fairly sure that a 30 - 35 foot gap isn't a safe distance to be travelling behind the car in front of you at 60 MPH!!
Ummm no its not me....how can i go faster in lane 3 if im held up with cars in front of me....should i pull over to lane 2 then and go even slower?? Maybe its the car further up the queue not using the road correctly
Two car gap is perfectly safe in my eyes......i dont mean to the exact foot....i mean 2 cars could easily fit in the gap i leave......unlike the majority......more like 12 feet!
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About the overtaking on the inside on a motorway.... a very nice Policeman told me it was legal
At night on the M40, its gets very empty. If you are doing 80 ish in the inside lane, for about 10 mins, then approach someone sitting in the middle lane doing 70. If you then stay in your lane and pass them, and continue on in the inside lane is fine.
Whats illegal, is if your sitting beind someone in the middle lane, then pull into the inside lane to undertake and then pull back into the middle lane again, thats illegal.
Sometimes i find moving out into the outside lane is more dangerous, as the m40 at night is a very, very fast road. You have many people doing 100 in that lane, and I rarely go above 90
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
Yup gives you a rough guide with a dry road, good visibility etc. So I was told on my driver assessors course.
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
Depends what your brakes are like ;D
Tho seriously thats a good rule [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
Try to do the same but always seems to be filled within one second by someone else :-/
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
Try to do the same but always seems to be filled within one second by someone else :-/
Point i was trying to make m8 ::)
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
Try to do the same but always seems to be filled within one second by someone else :-/
Point i was trying to make m8 ::)
You trying to say i'm slow TD, I do live in Shropshire you know ;)
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On the subject of safe following distances I try to employ the two second rule (two seconds between the car in front and then you passing a fixed point) which is supossed to give you the rquired safety gap.
Try to do the same but always seems to be filled within one second by someone else :-/
Point i was trying to make m8 ::)
You trying to say i'm slow TD, I do live in Shropshire you know ;)
;D Nah wasnt saying that m8 ;D Just about earlier post i made about leaving a safe gap....and someone fills it
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Ummm no its not me....how can i go faster in lane 3 if im held up with cars in front of me....should i pull over to lane 2 then and go even slower?? Maybe its the car further up the queue not using the road correctly
Well you can't can you, but there's obviously perfectly good space to the left of you that you haven't used when you should've don't you think?
Two car gap is perfectly safe in my eyes......i dont mean to the exact foot....i mean 2 cars could easily fit in the gap i leave......unlike the majority......more like 12 feet!
two seconds in good conditions is the one for me.
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Big enough for safety small enough for knobs to not take
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Ummm no its not me....how can i go faster in lane 3 if im held up with cars in front of me....should i pull over to lane 2 then and go even slower?? Maybe its the car further up the queue not using the road correctly
Well you can't can you, but there's obviously perfectly good space to the left of you that you haven't used when you should've don't you think?
Nope dont think i should actually, carnt see you using a slower lane somehow....or are you suggesting i undertake in a dangerous manor and then cut back into the 3rd lane when it suits me
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I'm completely with Big Ron on this one. If 'I' can under take 'you' then 'you' should have been able to move left in the first place & that would have meant that 'I' wouldn't have needed to undertake 'you' Assuming of course normal/usual (not neccessarily legal) motor way speeds ie not seeing what you can get out of your car! ;)
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The main point about driving is to try not to get annoyed. Assume every other driver is an idiot, and be prepared for the worst.
If you let the them upset you, that makes you uptight, and only helps to make you a bad driver.
Stay calm, and let them get on with it.
I want to try and stay accident free, even if the others don't.
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The main point about driving is to try not to get annoyed. Assume every other driver is an idiot, and be prepared for the worst.
If you let the them upset you, that makes you uptight, and only helps to make you a bad driver.
Stay calm, and let them get on with it.
I want to try and stay accident free, even if the others don't.
Well said AA..... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Nope dont think i should actually,
Well in that case, you are being inconsiderate by impeding other motorists progress and not using due care and attention by not using the road properly.
carnt see you using a slower lane somehow....
I always use the furthestmost left lane as it's safe and possible to use. Most of the time you'll find me in lane 1! (Even theough my car tramlines like a b1tch in the truck furrows because of the wide tyres!!)
or are you suggesting i undertake in a dangerous manor and then cut back into the 3rd lane when it suits me
No, I'm suggesting you, (and everyone else!), uses the road as it was intended. There'd be much less congestion and much less frustration AND absolutely no requirement or indeed opportunity to undertake.
WRT cutting back into lane 3 when it suits you, that's not the words I'd use. I'd say change lanes in a safe manner when, (AND ONLY WHEN!), you have cause to overtake. After which you should retire to the furthestmost left lane as it's safe and possible to use.
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Seems to be getting a bit of a argie bargie this thread now. Keep it firendly guys. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, right or wrong.
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...... Everyone is entitled to their opinions, right or wrong.
I'd agree with that especially as both Big Rod & I are right! ::) ;)
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Can i ask a question then?
Motorway is busy....lorries in lane 1 doing say 40-50
Lane2 is going about 50.....some gaps....but overall speed is 50
Lane 3 is going at 60 with a tailback
You want to go 70+
Which lane do you sit in? at this point in time?
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Can i ask a question then?
Motorway is busy....lorries in lane 1 doing say 40-50
Lane2 is going about 50.....some gaps....but overall speed is 50
Lane 3 is going at 60 with a tailback
You want to go 70+
Which lane do you sit in? at this point in time?
Lane 3 TD, leaving a safe space between you and the car infront ready for some prat to fill it ;)
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Can i ask a question then?
Motorway is busy....lorries in lane 1 doing say 40-50
Lane2 is going about 50.....some gaps....but overall speed is 50
Lane 3 is going at 60 with a tailback
You want to go 70+
Which lane do you sit in? at this point in time?
Lane 3 TD, leaving a safe space between you and the car infront ready for some prat to fill it ;)
Thankyou Tim....the point i was getting at....at least you agree with me ;)
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If everyone stayed calm and relaxed, instead of trying to knock 2 mins. off a 30 min. journey, there would be a lot better drivers on the road.
OK, if your stuck behind someone who want's to observe the speed limit, or you come across a learner doing a reverse turn in the road, relax, and enjoy the radio. Getting uptight and aggitated is not going to solve the problem. All you are doing is stressing yourself up, to no avail.
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If everyone stayed calm and relaxed, instead of trying to knock 2 mins. off a 30 min. journey, there would be a lot better drivers on the road.
OK, if your stuck behind someone who want's to observe the speed limit, or you come across a learner doing a reverse turn in the road, relax, and enjoy the radio. Getting uptight and aggitated is not going to solve the problem. All you are doing is stressing yourself up, to no avail.
If i didnt do that AA.....driving for 50-60 hours a week I'd be nervous wreck by now ;)
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If everyone stayed calm and relaxed, instead of trying to knock 2 mins. off a 30 min. journey, there would be a lot better drivers on the road.
OK, if your stuck behind someone who want's to observe the speed limit, or you come across a learner doing a reverse turn in the road, relax, and enjoy the radio. Getting uptight and aggitated is not going to solve the problem. All you are doing is stressing yourself up, to no avail.
If i didnt do that AA.....driving for 50-60 hours a week I'd be nervous wreck by now ;)
I agree, I used to drive around 40K per year, I quickly learned that the best way of driving was to stay relaxed, and let every one else do their own thing.
Shaking fits, etc. and honking horns, what's the point?
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If everyone stayed calm and relaxed, instead of trying to knock 2 mins. off a 30 min. journey, there would be a lot better drivers on the road.
OK, if your stuck behind someone who want's to observe the speed limit, or you come across a learner doing a reverse turn in the road, relax, and enjoy the radio. Getting uptight and aggitated is not going to solve the problem. All you are doing is stressing yourself up, to no avail.
If i didnt do that AA.....driving for 50-60 hours a week I'd be nervous wreck by now ;)
I agree, I used to drive around 40K per year, I quickly learned that the best way of driving was to stay relaxed, and let every one else do their own thing.
Shaking fits, etc. and honking horns, what's the point?
Blimey 40k a year....you wernt a taxi driver where you ;D
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No I had my own small business, with customers all over the country.
I had to be a Jack of all trades.
....and with that I'm signing off for the night, just so that you can overtake me TD :D
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No I had my own small business, with customers all over the country.
I had to be a Jack of all trades.
....and with that I'm signing off for the night, just so that you can overtake me TD :D
Okay dokey AA......i hadnt noticed till you pointed it out....im catching you up :D
Plus im fighting with a knackered laptop that wants to do what it wants! >:(
Sleep well dont let the bed bugs bite ;D
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Can i ask a question then?
Motorway is busy....lorries in lane 1 doing say 40-50
Lane2 is going about 50.....some gaps....but overall speed is 50
Lane 3 is going at 60 with a tailback
You want to go 70+
Which lane do you sit in? at this point in time?
I don't 'sit' in any of them! I use the road as it was intended. i.e. keep as far left as is possible and only change lanes when you need to overtake something. That way I stay out of lane 3 as much as possible.
It isn't rocket science.
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No I had my own small business, with customers all over the country.
I had to be a Jack of all trades.
And master of none ::)
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If everyone stayed calm and relaxed, instead of trying to knock 2 mins. off a 30 min. journey, there would be a lot better drivers on the road.
OK, if your stuck behind someone who want's to observe the speed limit, or you come across a learner doing a reverse turn in the road, relax, and enjoy the radio. Getting uptight and aggitated is not going to solve the problem. All you are doing is stressing yourself up, to no avail.
I quite agree AA! I too have done my fair share of driving. In the past 20 years or so I reckon I've averaged around 40k a year, (with a couple of exceptional years where it was around 60!!). I learned to 'chill' very early on!
That's one of the main reasons I use lane 1 as much as possible! There's so much space there you wouldn't believe!! I leave the stressed out nuggets in the convoy in lane 3 to have their coronaries about people getting in front of them!! ;)
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Can i ask a question then?
Motorway is busy....lorries in lane 1 doing say 40-50
Lane2 is going about 50.....some gaps....but overall speed is 50
Lane 3 is going at 60 with a tailback
You want to go 70+
Which lane do you sit in? at this point in time?
I don't 'sit' in any of them! I use the road as it was intended. i.e. keep as far left as is possible and only change lanes when you need to overtake something. That way I stay out of lane 3 as much as possible.
It isn't rocket science.
You didnt answer the question.....you must be in one of the lanes....i did say at this point in time. That isnt rocket science either!
Discussion over......as far as im concerned
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Time to move on :-X
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You didnt answer the question.....
I did. I said the lane as far left as possible, which could be lane 1 if there's room, lane 2 or lane 3 if I have the requirement to pass something then it's back to the left again. A drivers lane requirement changes by the second, you can't possibly just relegate yourself to one lane it defeats the entire purpose of multi-lane roads!! You'd be as well just going to sleep!
you must be in one of the lanes
Yes, the one furthest left. <--------
Discussion over......as far as im concerned
Knock yourself out man!! ;)