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Title: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 30 December 2006, 18:39:27
Something thats just started today ater unlocking the car on remote all buttons pop up okay but the drivers door wont always open first time with the exterior handle but no probs with the interior handle. also works perfect if i use that old fashioned bit of metal the key! ::)

Any ideas anyone :-?
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: TheBoy on 30 December 2006, 18:49:32
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Something thats just started today ater unlocking the car on remote all buttons pop up okay but the drivers door wont always open first time with the exterior handle but no probs with the interior handle. also works perfect if i use that old fashioned bit of metal the key! ::)

Any ideas anyone :-?
Happens with remote only? Common problem, esp worse in bad weather.  The lock gets a bit tired. Clean up mech and linkages, and clean microswitches....
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: JasonH on 30 December 2006, 19:11:48
Yep - the mechanism in the door seizes up.

It's door card off. Clean up with WD40, then lots of grease.

It'll be perfect after that.
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: jonny2112 on 30 December 2006, 19:48:30
Coincidentally, i have just noticed this problem with my own drivers door. It feels as if the handle is 'missing' the linkage, but I'm hoping a good clean etc will solve the problem.
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: TheBoy on 30 December 2006, 20:04:06
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Coincidentally, i have just noticed this problem with my own drivers door.
Its the wet weather...
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 31 December 2006, 01:22:41
Cheers guys will give it a try in the morn and let you know:y
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: Paul M on 31 December 2006, 17:19:41
Yeah it's a pain in the ass, mine is having this problem in 2 ways now. First, when unlocking with the remote sometimes the driver's lock doesn't come up far enough to unlock, so the key has to be used. Second, the handle itself is slack which used to require a hard pull to open it, but it's now got to the point where it doesn't open at all! Not much fun having to climb in the back and open it from the inside :-X
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: Jay w on 31 December 2006, 18:27:51
i'm glad when i read things like this, it means that my Omega is behaving normally then......

1st job of 2007 - Door stripdown and clean lock >:(
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: jonny2112 on 31 December 2006, 21:39:21
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i'm glad when i read things like this, it means that my Omega is behaving normally then......

1st job of 2007 - Door stripdown and clean lock >:(

Me too!  ;D
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 31 December 2006, 22:13:58
Just to let you know job done and works a treat now. Thanks for your help :y

Is it possible to upgrade to later style 2 button remote on the key rather earlier style big centre button with little side button for double locking. Or are these earlier type more reliable?

What made me think is that reading handbook that came with car its a 97/98 book and mine is a 96 so some of the little bits are different, must be a post mini facelift book. any one want to swop books?


Oh and just in case no ones said it yet HAPPY NEW YEAR  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: TheBoy on 31 December 2006, 22:17:59
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Is it possible to upgrade to later style 2 button remote on the key rather earlier style big centre button with little side button for double locking. Or are these earlier type more reliable?
Yes - chances are, yours is Megamos (you'd need to check), so you would need new style key and remote made by Megamos. This would need to be cut and programmed (both transponder and remote) to your car, which would require carpass.  So unless you need another key, it works out quite expensive...

Also, I reckon the older seperate ones have better range ;)
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 01 January 2007, 19:51:57
Cheers TheBoy i'll leave be then. :y

Range is quiet poor though. have to get almost right up to the car and aim remote at sensor in sunroof switch assembly. Is this normal or do you think batteries are on their way?  I take it this is aline of sight remote unlike a radio transmitter :-?
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: TheBoy on 01 January 2007, 19:57:38
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Cheers TheBoy i'll leave be then. :y

Range is quiet poor though. have to get almost right up to the car and aim remote at sensor in sunroof switch assembly. Is this normal or do you think batteries are on their way?  I take it this is aline of sight remote unlike a radio transmitter :-?
Eh? you shouldn't have IR on 1996 car, should be RF (receiver in drivers kick panel).  Have you got the IR receiver near sunroof switch then?
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 01 January 2007, 20:14:35
Er....   I just assumed it was the reciever. Its got a red ball looking unit near the sunroof switch. And if the engine is switched off after a while the ign cut out activates and i have to point remote at this ball to de-activate it :)
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: TheBoy on 01 January 2007, 20:17:38
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Er....   I just assumed it was the reciever. Its got a red ball looking unit near the sunroof switch. And if the engine is switched off after a while the ign cut out activates and i have to point remote at this ball to de-activate it :)
Right then, ignore what I said earlier...

IR type, no chance of swapping for newer style integrated key...

Also, new IR keys (should you ever need more) require a Tech I (not Tech II) to program...
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 01 January 2007, 20:51:17
Cheers :y :y :y
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: The Barge Captain on 02 January 2007, 12:06:31
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Cheers TheBoy i'll leave be then. :y

Range is quiet poor though. have to get almost right up to the car and aim remote at sensor in sunroof switch assembly. Is this normal or do you think batteries are on their way?  I take it this is aline of sight remote unlike a radio transmitter :-?
I never found the range to be great even with new batteries in the key
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: familyman on 02 January 2007, 13:41:32
Cheers Barge Captain.
Might change them anyway as i don't know when they were last done.

Is it right i've got 3 mins with battery out before remote losses programming?
and what battery or batteries do they take if anyone knows
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: TheBoy on 02 January 2007, 17:00:59
The radio ones never lose programming, but sometimes you have to follow resync process as mentioned in manual.

Don't know about IR ones, but imagine its the same - its going to be ECU that holds the info about the remote, not the other way round...
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: Paul M on 04 January 2007, 13:53:30
Fixed mine today, that's another niggle off the list ;D

Lock not fully opening was just a case of needing lubricated, quick squirt with WD40 and it worked properly first time. Used it a few more times, allowed some time for the WD40 to soak in and gave it another good spray just to be sure.

Outside handle not opening was a little more involved. First tried sussing out the mechanism with the little "gear" which the handle uses to rotate a rod across the top of the handle inside the door panel. I initially thought rotating this a tooth would cure it, as the handle was at the top of its travel and still not moving the release mechanism far enough (easily evidenced by pulling the inside handle which works perfectly). A little more investigation discovered the rod near the back of the door, which connects the handle mechanism to the release mechanism, appeared to be out of shape. Access here is quite limited as is vision, but I managed to release a little plastic clip on the handle mechanism which allows the top of the rod to slide out sideways. The bottom part then just lifts out.

I'm surprised this has gotten out of shape, as it's very sturdy. I guess though that 8 years of use and abuse had taken its toll. Into the vice it goes and a few taps with a mallet straighten it out so that it will have more reach when operated. Refitting is the reverse of removal, just pop in the bottom part, slide in the top part, and importantly make sure the plastic clip at the top is secured otherwise the rod will probably fall out after the first pothole!

The door handle now works a treat, opening the door around half way through its travel angle similarly to the other doors, unlike previously where it would be almost at the limit of how far it could be lifted before the door would open (until it finally gave up and wouldn't open at all).

Unfortunately my check strap mount is still broken, but that's way beyond my level of ability!
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: Andy B on 04 January 2007, 16:02:20
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Unfortunately my check strap mount is still broken, but that's way beyond my level of ability!
2 plates from Vx for pennies. Cut 1/4" off each end of one, bolt on to end of door sandwiching door skin, possibly with a new check strap (£20?) and that's it. Done! (the cheap/easy way  ;) )
When I get the enthusiasm I need to do some lubrication of the boot lock/handle, it's sticking. I'll get around to it .......
Title: Re: Exterior door handle
Post by: jonny2112 on 07 January 2007, 00:53:49
Did my door mechanism today too - works a treat now. Only problem was getting the little red button out of the door pin! Nightmare, it will never be the same again!  :o

While I was at it I also took out the door check strap, which is completely buggered, just to see what actually it was. There were no rubber mountings as previously discussed, and there was nothing on the end of the strap. Should it have been connected to something? How does it actually work? (Sorry for being stupid, and lazy as I suppose I could take the passenger side apart to find out for myself!!)

I've read here somewhere that access can be had through the speaker aperture, but now that I have successfully (?) removed and refitted the door card, I guess that would be easier?