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Title: Alarm siren fail
Post by: bigall on 09 January 2007, 13:25:19
Alarm going off on a regular basis forced me to save my pennies ,lots and lots of them,  and go to Vxall for a tech 2 test.

Went and was told following tech2 test that the alarm siren had failed and would need changing.

Cost of alarm siren is £51 +VAT and labour which is for 0.6 hr on top of the fee for tech2

Is the alarm siren that which sits under the scuttle by the windscreen drivers side or is it something else? (2000W reg 2.2 petrol facelift)

Vxhall said that it couldn't be turned off or detached as the alarm would then use ordinary car horn

Is this alarm siren a vaux only part ? and are there any problems in a diy fitting eg needs tech2 to be used again or whatever.

Thanks  
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 09 January 2007, 13:59:36
The internal batteries will be goosed.....these can be repalced with care.

The interesting thing is that Vaux stated that disconnecting it would cause the secondary sounder to still go off yet teh fault codes say the cause is the soudner so, if the sounder is disconnected.....chickena dn egg argument here!

Reality is that the short term answer is to disconnect the sounder under the drivers scuttle cover.
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: nixoro on 09 January 2007, 14:01:21
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Alarm going off on a regular basis forced me to save my pennies ,lots and lots of them,  and go to Vxall for a tech 2 test.

Went and was told following tech2 test that the alarm siren had failed and would need changing.

Cost of alarm siren is £51 +VAT and labour which is for 0.6 hr on top of the fee for tech2

Is the alarm siren that which sits under the scuttle by the windscreen drivers side or is it something else? (2000W reg 2.2 petrol facelift)

Vxhall said that it couldn't be turned off or detached as the alarm would then use ordinary car horn

Is this alarm siren a vaux only part ? and are there any problems in a diy fitting eg needs tech2 to be used again or whatever.

Thanks  

You say the horn goes off on a regular basis abit miffed how vx can say the system is faulty if thats the case or is it the sounder is bleeping when you lock and leave the car.

Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: bigall on 09 January 2007, 14:03:45
Nixoro ,thanks for speedy reply

Pre my expensive  visit to vxhall The alarm and indicators would go off once and I used remote to unlock and lock doors. Then all would be ok.

BUT NOW after the visit - for the last hour alarm etc goes off all the time until I unlock and lock doors then 2 mins again its off again.
Have resorted to locking all doors manually and closing rear door last - seems to work but no alarm YIPPEE

So is the alarm they are talking about next to the power sounder under the scuttle or is it part of the powersounder module? Anyone got a photo of the alarm and or sounder so I know what I'm loking for

Any help appreciated
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: nixoro on 09 January 2007, 14:04:31
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Reality is that the short term answer is to disconnect the sounder under the drivers scuttle cover.

Mine I think you can disconnect the powersounder and just use an alarm horn instead whether this is the same for all I dont know but I tried it with both connected once and it made one hell of a racket. The horn connector was tucked under the powersounder so maybe worth a look as i borrowed my dads omega alarm horn to test it.
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: nixoro on 09 January 2007, 14:08:38
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Nixoro ,thanks for speedy reply

Pre my expensive  visit to vxhall The alarm and indicators would go off once and I used remote to unlock and lock doors. Then all would be ok.

BUT NOW after the visit - for the last hour alarm etc goes off all the time until I unlock and lock doors then 2 mins again its off again.
Have resorted to locking all doors manually and closing rear door last - seems to work but no alarm YIPPEE

So is the alarm they are talking about next to the power sounder under the scuttle or is it part of the powersounder module? Anyone got a photo of the alarm and or sounder so I know what I'm loking for

Any help appreciated

My first thoughts are check the bonnet plunger is making contact properly abit of wind can cause it to go off.

The powersounder is pretty much the alarm which is under the scuttle on the driver side, should look like a square box.

This guide although not finished by Theolodian yet gives you an idea of how to get the scuttle off to get to the powersounder and alarm horn http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1164147199
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: tunnie on 09 January 2007, 16:07:27
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The internal batteries will be goosed.....these can be repalced with care.

The interesting thing is that Vaux stated that disconnecting it would cause the secondary sounder to still go off yet teh fault codes say the cause is the soudner so, if the sounder is disconnected.....chickena dn egg argument here!

Reality is that the short term answer is to disconnect the sounder under the drivers scuttle cover.

I have just removed mine  ::) - If someone nicks it the main horn will go off with the alarm so not too bothered...
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: bigall on 09 January 2007, 21:12:46
Thanks tunnie,

When you say you just removed the sounder did you follow a specific  sequence eg keep ignition on all the time etc.  Reading thro Astra archives and one of the problems appears to be making sure the lack of a sounder is accepted by the car so as not to need Tech 2.
 Dont fancy going for another tech2 at £80+
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: TheBoy on 09 January 2007, 21:16:09
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Dont fancy going for another tech2 at £80+
:o

Fook me backwards    :-?
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: tunnie on 09 January 2007, 23:25:48
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Thanks tunnie,

When you say you just removed the sounder did you follow a specific  sequence eg keep ignition on all the time etc.  Reading thro Astra archives and one of the problems appears to be making sure the lack of a sounder is accepted by the car so as not to need Tech 2.
 Dont fancy going for another tech2 at £80+

Errr no i just ripped the damn thing out!  ;D

Been hacking me off for a while with its, peep, peep, peep when turning the ignition off and people looking at me  >:(

Its only the backup alarm module, so if anyone trys to pinch the car the main horn will still go off lights flash and stuff, so i thought what the hell and rip it out.

No specific method, I removed the passenger side scuttle drain (check out the Maintenance section for a how2) its a rectangle black square box with a connection going in the front. I started to wiggle the connector out and it started going off, continue to wiggle and it died as i took it off, good sound too like something draining power? peep peeeeeooooob if you get my meaning.

Unscrewed the nut holding it in and though the damn thing away....

Started the car to make sure it was ok, everything was  :y

p.s don't tell the insurance ppl  ;)
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: tunnie on 09 January 2007, 23:26:40
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Dont fancy going for another tech2 at £80+
:o

Fook me backwards    :-?

Ohh and yeah bloody hell that is expensive, most vx stealers want around £45 ish... but £80 bugger me!  :o
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: bigall on 10 January 2007, 09:21:37
Thats what i thought when they gave me the bill. Out of interest tried another Vxall garage for a tech2 price  same again £80+  inclusive of VAT. "The boy" could make a very good living if he was closer.

Also, for fun, got quote for supply and fit the alarm siren £153 all in. That makes it a minimum of £230 ish for the whole job/Gee 4 of those and I could buy a whole car

Will keep using the door locking system until I can afford to save some more pennies.

If I dont rip itout or change it will there come a time when this THING will trigger my alarm as I go down the road
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: bigall on 11 January 2007, 12:56:38
Yesterday morning think S*D this. Go out to car and speak to it nicely ("IF you dont behave I'll trade you in for a Wartburg") ((Wartburg- 2 stroke soviet 4 seater much advertised and maligned in the 60's)
Seriously though decide to turn off the movement sensors by the mirror - lock up with key fob and  and wait defying thing to go off NOTHING not a sound.
After 3 hours decide maybe it needs warmth to make it go off - 30 miles later turn off sensors put on alarm , about 3.00pm Nothing not a bleep all night long. Still quiet this am at 06.00
Quick 80 mile dash this morning same thing quiet as a @@@@@@.
a. do Omegas have feelings?
b. Could it be movement sensors not the Alarm siren

Now trying with alarm set as normal - movement sensor on - now nearly 2 hours on SILENCE
Is my omega infected by a Vaux bug?????????
Title: Re: Alarm siren fail
Post by: nixoro on 11 January 2007, 13:09:15
Could've been a friendly fly playing games with you  ;D

All the same you never know :-/