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Title: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 30 January 2007, 20:50:14
This was me today - what's wrong with this picture?

(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o317/chopsdad/IMG_1319.jpg)

Why.... listen to this .... (Click on the image)

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Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: STMO123 on 30 January 2007, 21:06:37
Is that water all over the floor? Is it from your car? :(
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 30 January 2007, 21:12:00
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Is that water all over the floor? Is it from your car? :(

No water - but look at the vehicle in front....
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 30 January 2007, 21:13:20
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Is that water all over the floor? Is it from your car? :(

No water - but look at the vehicle in front....

I assume you mean the silver car - not the pink one BTW  ;)
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2007, 21:13:32
A tow truck.  Related to your post about left foot braking?
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 30 January 2007, 21:20:31
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A tow truck.  Related to your post about left foot braking?

Yes a very nice man brought me home.  I went to a meeting 30 miles or so away today and took a passenger - so radio turned down and stopped to let traffic pass in a small village.  Then I heard the clanking and rattling from under the engine.  I pulled over and had a listen - not good.  So I drove a couple of miles and pulled into an MOT station - young man stuck his head in, rubbed his chin, poked the belt and said he'd have to strip it all down to see what it was.  So I drove off (nicely) and stopped 3 or 4 miles up the road at my meeting and called Green Flag to take me home.  
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 30 January 2007, 21:34:32
So what do you think it is - WP?
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: TheBoy on 30 January 2007, 21:37:19
may be worth removing aux belt and starting to see if noise still there.  If it is, cambelt and wp?
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 30 January 2007, 22:09:18
When was last change for cambelt and Water Pump? - Was it documented?
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 30 January 2007, 22:32:37
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When was last change for cambelt and Water Pump? - Was it documented?

Belt changed at 38,788 miles - now on 43,000. Genuine Vx kit and rollers on 21 June 2006.

This was 3m before I joined this forum and water pump was not replaced. Oh 'dangle berries'  >:(

BTW I know nowt about cars but when I heard the clanking today - I just knew  :-/  Thanks OOF you may well have saved me an engine rebuild  :y
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 30 January 2007, 23:56:59
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When was last change for cambelt and Water Pump? - Was it documented?

Belt changed at 38,788 miles - now on 43,000. Genuine Vx kit and rollers on 21 June 2006.

This was 3m before I joined this forum and water pump was not replaced. Oh 'dangle berries'  >:(

BTW I know nowt about cars but when I heard the clanking today - I just knew  :-/  Thanks OOF you may well have saved me an engine rebuild  :y

I really should do mine, the whole lot - Pump, tensioners and belt. Just can't afford it at the mo what with running the Senator.  :(

Had a new belt on at 83k now at 98k, I suspect the pump was never changed!
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Markjay on 31 January 2007, 01:48:30
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Belt changed at 38,788 miles - now on 43,000. Genuine Vx kit and rollers on 21 June 2006.

This was 3m before I joined this forum and water pump was not replaced. Oh 'dangle berries'  >:( ...

I did mine at a similar mileage and did not do the water pump - I know it makes sense while you're there etc, but as it was done by Vx it would have meant lots of extra dosh... my point is that the pump can normally wait to the 80k change, if it did go at 43k it is just bad luck, nothing you should kick yourself for.

As for the noise, if it is the tensioner then the car should also feel under-powered - this is what happened to my on the previous meega, the car drove but felt like it was going on 4 cyl not 6 - pressumably due to the timing being slightly out after the tensioner failed.

Surely there would be some come back from the garage - repairs as a whole is usually warranted for 3 months only, but the part itself should have 1 year?




Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 31 January 2007, 08:25:29
Its different on the 4 pot....you always change the water pump because its cambelt driven....
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: nixoro on 31 January 2007, 12:27:22
Chopsdad if you can prove its the waterpump as this what it sounds like had a similar situation when I got mine, do you think you will get a garage to do it or will you be giving it ago.

As others have said try without the aux belt on as it could be the aux belt tensioner bearing or something running off the aux belt causing the noise and not your waterpump.
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Markjay on 31 January 2007, 12:56:33
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Its different on the 4 pot....you always change the water pump because its cambelt driven....

Ah... a 4-potter... I heard about them lot... ;D

Thanks for the correction Mark.  :y
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 31 January 2007, 17:47:23
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When was last change for cambelt and Water Pump? - Was it documented?

Belt changed at 38,788 miles - now on 43,000. Genuine Vx kit and rollers on 21 June 2006.

This was 3m before I joined this forum and water pump was not replaced. Oh 'dangle berries'  >:(

BTW I know nowt about cars but when I heard the clanking today - I just knew  :-/  Thanks OOF you may well have saved me an engine rebuild  :y

I really should do mine, the whole lot - Pump, tensioners and belt. Just can't afford it at the mo what with running the Senator.  :(

Had a new belt on at 83k now at 98k, I suspect the pump was never changed!

Get all the kit from eBay and I'll pop over one weekend and do it all for you, as a thankyou for picking up my seats....
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 31 January 2007, 17:47:56
Don't want to sound the wrong way matey, but don't neglect your nice X reg 2.2 for the sake of a £300 tinworm ;D
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 31 January 2007, 18:55:27
Cheers for that very kind offer, I do have the 2.2 running nice now. Regular oil changes have done wonders  :)

Cash is a real problem though, I don't like asking my dad for money. He already pays my uni house rent, and I have around £700 to last me until July. That has to pay for all food, petrol getting home to work on the Senator and house bills here.

That money also has to fix up the Senator for Europe, I get a final loan payment in late may but all of that MUST be saved to fund the Euro trip.
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 31 January 2007, 18:58:23
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Cheers for that very kind offer, I do have the 2.2 running nice now. Regular oil changes have done wonders  :)

Cash is a real problem though, I don't like asking my dad for money. He already pays my uni house rent, and I have around £700 to last me until July. That has to pay for all food, petrol getting home to work on the Senator and house bills here.

That money also has to fix up the Senator for Europe, I get a final loan payment in late may but all of that MUST be saved to fund the Euro trip.

Must be honest, I'm not in much of a better financial position right now, although, my loan payments are reducing debt !

We should club together tunnie, buy a fleet of new shape Rover 200/400's with HGF, and flog them all for 500% profit ;D
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 31 January 2007, 19:03:08
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Cheers for that very kind offer, I do have the 2.2 running nice now. Regular oil changes have done wonders  :)

Cash is a real problem though, I don't like asking my dad for money. He already pays my uni house rent, and I have around £700 to last me until July. That has to pay for all food, petrol getting home to work on the Senator and house bills here.

That money also has to fix up the Senator for Europe, I get a final loan payment in late may but all of that MUST be saved to fund the Euro trip.

Must be honest, I'm not in much of a better financial position right now, although, my loan payments are reducing debt !

We should club together tunnie, buy a fleet of new shape Rover 200/400's with HGF, and flog them all for 500% profit ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

There should be a market for them, they seam to fail a lot. Allthough a quick eBay there was not many 25's / 200's on spares and repair  :(
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: TheBoy on 31 January 2007, 19:24:47
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We should club together tunnie, buy a fleet of new shape Rover 200/400's with HGF, and flog them all for 500% profit ;D
If only I had the skill/confidence....
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 31 January 2007, 19:43:16
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We should club together tunnie, buy a fleet of new shape Rover 200/400's with HGF, and flog them all for 500% profit ;D
If only I had the skill/confidence....

I am sure you can do that ... you've done one already. Also the oil cooler on the V6! That ran like a sack of sh!t when we bought it back, was purring when sold  :y
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 31 January 2007, 19:48:51
Confidence comes naturally when you've done a few. Just undo whatever you see that's in the way, and worry about putting it back together afterwards ;)

There's more of a market for 400's/414/416 than anything else

I reckon there's an easy £500 a car to be made,

I'm going to do 2 a month through the better weather.
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 31 January 2007, 19:52:40
couple of possible projects here:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1996-ROVER-214-I-WHITE-repairs-spares_W0QQitemZ280076898568QQihZ018QQcategoryZ18262QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1998-ROVER-214S-BLUE-NON-RUNNER-SPARES-REPAIRS-214_W0QQitemZ320077239124QQihZ011QQcategoryZ18262QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 31 January 2007, 19:53:35
sorry Chopsdad we have gone off track here, any more news on your car?
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 31 January 2007, 19:59:22
That first one is a nasty 8v - 16v models are much more lively.... and fetch more...
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 31 January 2007, 20:09:48
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sorry Chopsdad we have gone off track here, any more news on your car?

Thanks for remembering me Tunnie  ;D

Had a new water pump supplied and fitted today £88 :-/

I did tell the garage retail Vx £49+ but with TC I could get for £31 +vat so if the pattern one in stock (cos Vx have none) was any more just to wait and I'd supply it myself. (Bit of a wag cos I still have no TC, but price inc labour seems fair.) :y

Feel free to hijack the rest of the thread - it's all yours.... ;)
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 31 January 2007, 20:34:00
Is your car under warranty Chopsdad?

If not, would you be confident to have a go at some of these jobs yourself?

Waterpump is a peice of cake with the cambelt DVD (presuming it's a V6)

It's nearly as easy on the 4 pots, but involves removing the cambelt (easy with so much working space in the engine bay)
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: Chopsdad on 31 January 2007, 21:20:22
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Is your car under warranty Chopsdad?

If not, would you be confident to have a go at some of these jobs yourself?

Waterpump is a peice of cake with the cambelt DVD (presuming it's a V6)

It's nearly as easy on the 4 pots, but involves removing the cambelt (easy with so much working space in the engine bay)

It's out of warranty now James - that's why its all going wrong - they know you know!! :-/

I'll have a go at most things but wary of anything connected to the cambelt.  Job done now anyway.

Track rod ends next....ho hum....then just new bearings, HBV and exhaust and it'll be like new. (No, these haven't gone yet but reading the posts it wont be long :-[)
Title: Re: Oh 'dangle berries'
Post by: tunnie on 31 January 2007, 23:12:17
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Is your car under warranty Chopsdad?

If not, would you be confident to have a go at some of these jobs yourself?

Waterpump is a peice of cake with the cambelt DVD (presuming it's a V6)

It's nearly as easy on the 4 pots, but involves removing the cambelt (easy with so much working space in the engine bay)

It's out of warranty now James - that's why its all going wrong - they know you know!! :-/

I'll have a go at most things but wary of anything connected to the cambelt.  Job done now anyway.

Track rod ends next....ho hum....then just new bearings, HBV and exhaust and it'll be like new. (No, these haven't gone yet but reading the posts it wont be long :-[)

For the exhaust, please, please go for GM. Tin sh!t from ATS / KwikFit is just plain awful.

I noticed a BIG differnce in MPG and exhaust noise with the new GM stuff on, got about 3 mpg increase. This was because the mid section had a massive hole, and I was loosing power. (can't afford that with 2.2's  ;))

I had cat back GM for mine fitted for £220 ish

Paid £200 for the zorst (TC), picked it up from Vx dealer.... got some odd looks by some family's looking at Zafria's! - Me walking out 3 times with massive chunks of exhaust.

Took it to my local mechanic, gave him £20 notes or maybe £30 now, can't rightly remember .... but he fitted it for me  :y - I did not get an invoice if you know what I mean, but an exhaust is an exhaust!  :)

Btw no record of my HBV being changed, thought this was something that generally affected pre-facelifts?