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Title: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Amarok on 04 December 2006, 14:27:27
After my recent purchase of a 1998 CD Estate I went a little mad and bought a cruise control lever and unit off ebaY, this came off a vectra but the seller says it should fit an Omega Can anyone please take a couple of pictures of a 2.0 16V engine with cruise fitted ? so I can have a butchers please ? or has anyone tackled this issue and can give me a couple of tips please ?
(http:// After my recent purchase of a 1998 CD Estate I went a little mad and bought a cruise control lever and unit off ebaY, this came off a vectra but the seller says it should fit an Omega Can anyone please take a couple of pictures of a 2.0 16V engine with cruise fitted ? so I can have a butchers please ? or has anyone tackled this issue and can give me a couple of tips please ?

[IMG] http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/cruise1.jpg )
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2006, 15:22:28
Make sure you have the actuator with throttle cable, a 4 wire cruise stalk and 4 pin brake switch.

Its all fairly straight forward, we have a guide for installing cruise in our maintaince section but thats for facelift omegas only (post 2000)

However that shows you how to remove the stalk.

Someone more experianced in fitting cruise should be along in a mo...
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 04 December 2006, 15:22:58
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After my recent purchase of a 1998 CD Estate I went a little mad and bought a cruise control lever and unit off ebaY, this came off a vectra but the seller says it should fit an Omega Can anyone please take a couple of pictures of a 2.0 16V engine with cruise fitted ? so I can have a butchers please ? or has anyone tackled this issue and can give me a couple of tips please ?

Sorry I tried to post some images of the unit  but all it does is (http://)I :(

My vehicle is a 2.0 16V Automatic

Have you uploaded the images to www.photobucket.com or www.imageshack.us

Each image is given an url i.e http://www. something like this if you add this between brackets so it should look like [img] www. [/ img] (extra space added between / & img to make it viewable)

Image should show then.

Unfortunately I havent fitted cruise but others have that maybe able to advise. :y
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: tunnie on 04 December 2006, 15:28:21
forgot to mention, as nixoro says. Photos need to be hosted externally, currently you can't host photos with us.

As nixoro says, upload your photos to photobucket or imageshack, get the url of the image and then post that inbetween the (http:// ) tag  :y
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: rpont on 04 December 2006, 17:56:54
Mine is a 2.5v6 but I think the unit should fit in the same place. The cable to the accelerator goes on before the one from the pedal. The car is in bits at the moment but I'll see if I can get a pic of where the cable fits tomorrow if the weather isn't too bad.

It fits just below the expansion bottle onto three studs. I have an additional coolant pump there and have bent the bracket to fit it in as well.

(http://www.infohitsystems.ltd.uk/Gallery/Car/P1010056.JPG)

(http://www.infohitsystems.ltd.uk/Gallery/Car/P1010057.JPG)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: mijfife on 04 December 2006, 23:40:51
Hi Amorok,
                I fitted cruise to my 1999 2lt auto and it was very easy to do.
As previously mentioned, the cruise unit fits on the three studs just below the water expansion bottle. There should be a multi plug with a blanking insert clipped to your drivers side strut top. unclip this, remove the blanking insert and plug this into the cruise unit.
The control cable runs from the cruise unit  up to the same point that your accelerator cable is fitted too. If you remove the accelerator cable, the cruise cable goes on first and is secured in place by a small circlip. you'll also see where the outer fits against the bracket where the accelerator cable outer is held.
Moving inside the car, remove the steering column cowling by undoing the screws from underneath. remember to remove the adjustable steering column lever by unscrewing it. This will then give you access to the indicator switch. derpress the two lugs either side and slide the original switch out before unplugging the multi plug. If you have a fish about behind the switch gear, you should find the extra multi plug that plugs into the flying lead on your cruise/indicator stalk. Plug this in and the original plug too and refit the switch.
The final bit is to check if the brake light switch has two or four pins for the wiring. You need 4 for the cruise so if it's only got two, change it by depressing the lugs either side of the brakelight switch and pulling it clear. This can be a bit fiddly to do but it does come out!
That's it  :)  Take the car for a run, and all going well, your cruise should work fine.
It should only take about 30 mins all in and well worth it  ;)

Cheers Jim
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 05 December 2006, 10:52:02
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Hi Amorok,
                I fitted cruise to my 1999 2lt auto and it was very easy to do.
As previously mentioned, the cruise unit fits on the three studs just below the water expansion bottle. There should be a multi plug with a blanking insert clipped to your drivers side strut top. unclip this, remove the blanking insert and plug this into the cruise unit.
The control cable runs from the cruise unit  up to the same point that your accelerator cable is fitted too. If you remove the accelerator cable, the cruise cable goes on first and is secured in place by a small circlip. you'll also see where the outer fits against the bracket where the accelerator cable outer is held.
Moving inside the car, remove the steering column cowling by undoing the screws from underneath. remember to remove the adjustable steering column lever by unscrewing it. This will then give you access to the indicator switch. derpress the two lugs either side and slide the original switch out before unplugging the multi plug. If you have a fish about behind the switch gear, you should find the extra multi plug that plugs into the flying lead on your cruise/indicator stalk. Plug this in and the original plug too and refit the switch.
The final bit is to check if the brake light switch has two or four pins for the wiring. You need 4 for the cruise so if it's only got two, change it by depressing the lugs either side of the brakelight switch and pulling it clear. This can be a bit fiddly to do but it does come out!
That's it  :)  Take the car for a run, and all going well, your cruise should work fine.
It should only take about 30 mins all in and well worth it  ;)

Cheers Jim

Any chance a how2 could be created, I have always thought about doing this but wasn't sure how it all connected in.

Would the cruise need to be enabled on the pre facelift or facelift omega to allow it to work.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Amarok on 05 December 2006, 12:06:44
I have friday off this week so I will give it a go and take loads of photos.
Thank you everyone for your help so far  :) these are the bits I got
(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/cruise1.jpg )

As you can see I have got the images working as well again thanks
(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/cruise2.jpg )
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 05 December 2006, 12:11:20
Good Luck with the install :y

I look forward to seeing the piccys with interest  :)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 December 2006, 12:13:32
IS it a manual or an auto?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 05 December 2006, 13:31:16
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IS it a manual or an auto?

Well mines a manual not sure what Amarok's is though.

Does it make a difference if manual or an auto :question
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: hotel21 on 05 December 2006, 13:46:31
Yup.

If a manual, you also need a clutch pedal switch as well as the brake pedal one, or arrange to jumper the connections out.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 05 December 2006, 15:35:26
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Yup.

If a manual, you also need a clutch pedal switch as well as the brake pedal one, or arrange to jumper the connections out.

Cheers for that, this is one thing I maybe attempting to fit after xmas :y

There certainly seems alot involved if fitting to a manual.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 05 December 2006, 18:31:11
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Yup.

If a manual, you also need a clutch pedal switch as well as the brake pedal one, or arrange to jumper the connections out.

Cheers for that, this is one thing I maybe attempting to fit after xmas :y

There certainly seems alot involved if fitting to a manual.
Only the extra clutch switch, thats the only difference... :)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Amarok on 05 December 2006, 21:22:13
Mines a Auto ,but I got the Clutch Switch with the unit off ebay, you are most welcome to it :)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: JasonH on 05 December 2006, 21:25:31
Those clutch switches are about £15 and in short supply anywhere other than a dealer. I'm sure someone will be very grateful for it.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 06 December 2006, 10:08:27
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Mines a Auto ,but I got the Clutch Switch with the unit off ebay, you are most welcome to it :)

Cheers I will Pm you nearer the time to see if you still have it  :y
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: nixoro on 06 December 2006, 10:11:56
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Yup.

If a manual, you also need a clutch pedal switch as well as the brake pedal one, or arrange to jumper the connections out.

Cheers for that, this is one thing I maybe attempting to fit after xmas :y

There certainly seems alot involved if fitting to a manual.
Only the extra clutch switch, thats the only difference... :)

Where abouts is the clutch switch located just out of interest.

I am looking to do a few small upgrades next year as my car is going into retirement so to speak, no longer will be using for commuting to work.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Chopsdad on 07 December 2006, 16:25:36
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Mines a Auto ,but I got the Clutch Switch with the unit off ebay, you are most welcome to it :)

These retail for £23 from Vx so don't bin it as someone here is always looking to add cruise - also care re brake/clutch swich 'mushroom',  They work on a ratchet system so if it doesn't work first time check them out as they may think the pedal has been depressed and this will turn the cruise off. :y
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Amarok on 09 December 2006, 14:35:22
OK got to tackle the cruise control here are the images
(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/DSC_0001_edited.jpg )
Can you see the 2 threads sticking out underneath the Expansion tank ?, there is a 3rd one hidden by the thin rubber pipe

(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/DSC_0004.jpg )
Here is the plug strapped to the off side strut

(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/DSC_0006_edited.jpg )
Here is the unit bolted in as you can see there are only 1 lug on this side with two on the other. I will see how it goes might drill a hole and bolt up the spare but the installation is very solid  :)

(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/DSC_0008.jpg )

On the right is the cruise control cable with the oblong shaped clip. if you look very carefully at the accellerator cable housing you can see the bottom of the oblong slot where the cable goes. the final part is to unclip the throttle cable ball socket, slide the cruise control cable on fit a circlip and refit the ball socket

Turning to the inside remove the wheel and surround, remove the lefthand lever and swap for the curise control version

(http:// http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o192/Amarokuk/DSC_0010.jpg )

easy peasy well not quite, as a footnote. I can't get the bleeding thing to work !!
Connections double checked but no go ...
Studying the Haynes manual in the wiring diagrams for both the early and late models they both list a cruise control relay K14 .
Does any one know where this relay is located ?

Regards
Mike
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: tunnie on 09 December 2006, 14:43:55
errr you don't need to take the steering wheel off.

The loom should have already been inplace, just a case of taking the cowling off, and replacing the stalk?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: rpont on 09 December 2006, 16:24:53
I didn't see any mention of a brake switch. You need that to be closed before it will operate.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 09 December 2006, 20:10:00
Hmmm, bit drastic removing the wheel....

As said, did you fit brake switch?  I see its an auto, so no clutch switch required.

Also, did the stalk have 4 wires going to 4 pin plug, or 2 wires?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Amarok on 10 December 2006, 21:25:39
On the plastic cowl there are 2 philips screws with caps that butt up to the wheel. when you remove the three screws underneath the cowl it was still fixed at these screws I tried to 'ease' them apart but there was a cracking sound. after you remove the wheel you see the two caps and when you remove the 2 phillips screws the cowls fall apart.

Look in the Haynes manual 3510 section 12.4 'Switches - removal and refitting'  image 4.4b (top of the page) shows the screws.

Brake switch yes I think you have pointed my obvious mistake   ::) I will have a look tomorrow

Cheers

Mike
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Andy B on 10 December 2006, 21:36:01
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...... after you remove the wheel you see the two caps and when you remove the 2 phillips screws the cowls fall apart. .........
or ...... by turning the steering wheel!  ;)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: Amarok on 11 December 2006, 09:18:38
Looking at the job in retrospect yes turn the wheel to remove the screws but as this was a new car (for me anyway) the wheel came off for a good clean Previous owner was smoking roll ups and had very filth hands !, quick scrub in the kitchen sink (sshh don't tell the missus) and she is as good as new  :)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: OddBobaJob on 07 February 2007, 10:00:59
Hi Folks i was reading this and i have ound it very helpfull. i was just wondering if anyone could tell me if this item on ebay would be okay for my late 98 2.0 CD auto?   Item  140082785420

any help greatly appreciated

Mark.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 07 February 2007, 19:01:48
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Hi Folks i was reading this and i have ound it very helpfull. i was just wondering if anyone could tell me if this item on ebay would be okay for my late 98 2.0 CD auto?   Item  140082785420

any help greatly appreciated

Mark.
The bowden cable may be different....
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: JasonH on 07 February 2007, 20:27:19
Your problem is the actuator cable. They're different on the 2.5, 3.0 and 2.0.

You can probably get away with interchanging a 2.5 and 3.0 because they're both quite short. The 2.0 cable is a bit longer (I think). Unfortunately the cruise cables cost abou £50 from a dealer!
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: OddBobaJob on 09 February 2007, 22:27:43


The bowden cable may be different....[/quote]


Which end is the bowden cable?  could i not get one from a scrapped car cheaper? or would you advise getting  a new one?

Ty
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 10 February 2007, 21:57:55
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The bowden cable may be different....


Which end is the bowden cable?  could i not get one from a scrapped car cheaper? or would you advise getting  a new one?

Ty
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Bowden cable is cable from actuator to throttle assembly. Yes, you may get one from scrapper... ...though 2.0l ones aren't that common...
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 February 2007, 22:09:35
Is my 2.0 N reg CD likely to have the plug near the strut for cruise control, and everything else needed to fit it??

If so, I'm definately doing it...
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 10 February 2007, 22:22:41
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Is my 2.0 N reg CD likely to have the plug near the strut for cruise control, and everything else needed to fit it??

If so, I'm definately doing it...
It should have full loom for it, so just the normals needed (nick off cdx, but you will need to source bowden cable)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 February 2007, 22:23:40
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Is my 2.0 N reg CD likely to have the plug near the strut for cruise control, and everything else needed to fit it??

If so, I'm definately doing it...
It should have full loom for it, so just the normals needed (nick off cdx, but you will need to source bowden cable)

Cheers Jaime :)

No Tech2 needed on the earlier cable driven ones then?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 10 February 2007, 22:25:16
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No Tech2 needed on the earlier cable driven ones then?
Nope, plug and play :)
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 February 2007, 22:25:26
Also what about the bit that holds the throttle cable - will that have whatever's needed to acommodate the extra cruise cable?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 10 February 2007, 22:26:47
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Also what about the bit that holds the throttle cable - will that have whatever's needed to acommodate the extra cruise cable?
Yes, though remember to nick the 'E' clip off the donor.  As said, you will have to source a 2.0l bowden cable, they aren' that common.
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 10 February 2007, 22:28:19
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Also what about the bit that holds the throttle cable - will that have whatever's needed to acommodate the extra cruise cable?
Yes, though remember to nick the 'E' clip off the donor.  As said, you will have to source a 2.0l bowden cable, they aren' that common.

No, they don't sound it...

If it comes to it, I may well be happy to get a VX one, because cruise is a must! No discount for TC?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: iwannacarthatworks on 10 February 2007, 23:16:28
hi, as a matter of interest does anyone have the correct actuator cable lengths for the 2 l and 2.5/3l cruise?
Title: Re: Cruise control on a 1998 S reg CD Estate
Post by: TheBoy on 11 February 2007, 10:24:55
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Also what about the bit that holds the throttle cable - will that have whatever's needed to acommodate the extra cruise cable?
Yes, though remember to nick the 'E' clip off the donor.  As said, you will have to source a 2.0l bowden cable, they aren' that common.

No, they don't sound it...

If it comes to it, I may well be happy to get a VX one, because cruise is a must! No discount for TC?
I suspect they ain't cheap. Not TC item obviously...