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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: jud1255 on 15 February 2007, 21:24:12
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is there an upgrade for my satnav in my 98 elite 3ltr auto saloon,
or does anybody know of a supplier for the cd.
thanks jud
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I believe it can use the newer map CDs... ...however, it is quite an old system, and will never be like the newer ones....
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newer Disk maps are available... retail is around £90 i think... or it was when mine was updated in about 2004
I have a spare one from about 2001 you can have... at least it's later than 1998...... but for current data you'll have to go to Vx.
max
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cheers to both of you, i will keep you in mind about the 2001 update cd , ill wait a couple of days first to see if anbody comes up with anything newer, how much would you want for the 2001 inc postage .
again thanks jud
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Just cover the postage man.,... you're welcome to it.....
Max
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Hi, I curently have a 2003 version for sale on e-bay item : 330087635558 , I've upgraded to a 2006/2007 Tele Atlas disc which is also compatible with the Carin and VDO/Dayton units, contact me if I can help anymore.
Dave C
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I bought the 2006 tele-atlas disc from Germany (eBay) for £30 quid. Sure, the CARiN system is neot great but it works and its integrated. If you need a hand finding the right one on eBay let me know...
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dave c,
Thanks ill keep an eye on it.
Sophos 9,
yes if you dont mind you can keep me posted on the latest thats available , eg, on ebay etc.
ive just looked at mine and its the original 98 vdo/carin, so it must be way out of date.
again thanks to all
jud
PS also, does anybody know if i can search by entering post code on the later models available to me and or, entering the street first then searching cities.
again thanks jud
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I think post code search has to be a feature of the hardware and operating system, not just the map... My original system still only does street name&number + town/city , that's with 2004 Data.... I keep meaning to update it to the latest version......
Pm reply imminent... BTW
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also, does anybody know if i can search by entering post code on the later models available to me and or, entering the street first then searching cities.
again thanks jud
Postcode search is software based, 2006 teleatlas enables postcode searches on CARiN systems
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now THAT wasa bloody useful piece of information Sophos..... many thanks.... update duly moved up the "to do list" to somewhere that might actually get done !
where did you get yours?
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Don't quote me, but I thought the Carin one needed a system software update to do postcodes...
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dave c , whats the year of yor omega thats using the tele atlas and have you had it updated ,
as the boy is suggesting
cheers jud
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Don't quote me, but I thought the Carin one needed a system software update to do postcodes...
In my instance, I have a totally standard Phillips CARiN, it came with the original SatNav disc which only had the midlands!! The disc is the limiting factor here...
I believe this is the disc (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tele-Atlas-Sat-Nav-UNITED-KINGDOM-IRELAND-VDO-Dayton-NE_W0QQitemZ190082087824QQihZ009QQcategoryZ139824QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) but please email the seller first!
This is the version info from my CARiN
HW-ID 1005
SW-ID 1500
Hope it helps :y
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Mines NOT updated, but will run the 06/07 teleatlas, NOT postcodes though... can anyone elaborate on upgrades, I too wold like to do this if possible...
DC
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Yeah, this is the one.. DC
Don't quote me, but I thought the Carin one needed a system software update to do postcodes...
In my instance, I have a totally standard Phillips CARiN, it came with the original SatNav disc which only had the midlands!! The disc is the limiting factor here...
I believe this is the disc (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tele-Atlas-Sat-Nav-UNITED-KINGDOM-IRELAND-VDO-Dayton-NE_W0QQitemZ190082087824QQihZ009QQcategoryZ139824QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) but please email the seller first!
This is the version info from my CARiN
HW-ID 1005
SW-ID 1500
Hope it helps :y
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Please check you hardware and software version
HW-ID 1005
SW-ID 1500
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mine is
Ident No 581/75
HW id 0105
SW id 0230
Product date 98 / 04
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and can you search via postcode.... You have a better software version than me >:(
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no i cannot search via post code also i cannot search via street first .I have to select city first which is why i wanna upgrade.
Im just gonna buy ebay item No 200074139023 he just emailed me to say "yes , still got some here, £15 plus £4.75 next day delivery" i understand from dave c itll work on my 98 elite
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Checked that item.... 110% working backups on CDR ;)
Please post up when you get it and see if it does postcode (mine does it fine)
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Checked that item.... 110% working backups on CDR ;)
Please post up when you get it and see if it does postcode (mine does it fine)
Mine won't let me put all of the post code in.
If the post code was AB1 2CD it would let you get as far as AB1 2.. then it'd ask you for the street name. My disc is a *coughs* of a 2004 disc! ::)
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Mine won't let me put all of the post code in.
If the post code was AB1 2CD it would let you get as far as AB1 2.. then it'd ask you for the street name. My disc is a *coughs* of a 2004 disc! ::)
:D
Whats your hardware and software version?
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Mine won't let me put all of the post code in.
If the post code was AB1 2CD it would let you get as far as AB1 2.. then it'd ask you for the street name. My disc is a *coughs* of a 2004 disc! ::)
:D
Whats your hardware and software version?
Err? The disc is 2003/1 ...... and that's all I know. What do I press to tell you more? :-/
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sophos 9
will let you know in a few days although you may have to pm me to remind me, you know what its like or maybe not ha ha.
yeh fingers crossed as itll make it a lot easier to use .
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Mine won't let me put all of the post code in.
If the post code was AB1 2CD it would let you get as far as AB1 2.. then it'd ask you for the street name. My disc is a *coughs* of a 2004 disc! ::)
:D
Whats your hardware and software version?
Err? The disc is 2003/1 ...... and that's all I know. What do I press to tell you more? :-/
Found it! :)
Ident No SY582/7
HW-ID 0203
SW-ID 0230
Prod Date 99/07
Who can remember what the code is to get into service? I've been there before but can't remember the code now. I'd like to have a play with the disc that allows you to change the voice.
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Code should be 6330
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Is there a programme disc for these systems then? I'm really interested in this topic! :P
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Software upgrades are via a special CD... One which I have not been able to get hold off!!
ANYBODY :o
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Just browsing through and thought I’d comment on a few points raised. First of all full postcode searches are not possible with the GM Carin system, only partial searches as pointed out above, provided you have a mapping disk that supports it (I think 2002 and later if I remember correctly). As for upgrading the firmware the standard GM fit systems used a firmware version that was unique to GM so you would need a GM upgrade disk. The standard Carin firmware disc would not work. I think the latest version of the firmware is 2.3. This was at one time available from Vauxhall along with language discs. I did find a firmware disc by accident at my local dealer’s parts department who had no idea what it was and thought it was a mapping disc. Vauxhall switched to a different Sat Nav system in 1999. Sadly much of the information regarding Carin has now disappeared from the internet although there is still some useful stuff in German. ;)
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Ok, if anyone can get this disc, maybe we can give it a go then... Keep us all informed, I'll do some more leg work on Monday,,
Cheers DC
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Yep I second that... especially as I have the lowest software version :-? >:(
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Must check my version too!
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looks like a real good topic this is leading to, all i wanted was a few answers now ive 2 new disc on there way a 2001 and a 2007 where will it end.
you now my software so keep up the good work guys.
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my original told me today to make a left and immediatley another left ,but after going no more than 10 yards she told me to turn right what a waste of time .
cant wait for the new disc to come
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The voice on mine sounds like Fran Godferey off Radio 2! ;D
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Mine sounds like the Queen mother in a biscuit tin, why did they not pump the voice through the stereo?
Ahhh... Can it be done anyone? :y
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If they did that, I'd still be driving my Cossie 24v............... ;D ;D ;D ;D I've got enough to contend with, with the robot droid on Traffic Master, Terry Wogan on the radio, Fran Bloody Godfrey on the sat nav and my darling wife...
;D ;D ;D
Dave C
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Gents,
Ident 581/75
HW-ID 010B
SW-ID 0200
Prod 98/50
Any ideas on what Hard Ware & Soft Ware is latest etc...
Come on guys lets get to the bottom of this one and all get upgraded..
A manual for programming would be good too!
Dave C
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Anyone?
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Guys,
I took the liberty of contacting someone at Carin, please read the cut n' pasted e-mail and response... Not much use me thinks, Thanks to Joseff anyway..
Hi
The operating software is very limited for updates for Vauxhall, but the mapping disc is readily available, current is 2006/07 uk map, partial postcode as it is the later units with full postcode search.
all non C-IQ mapping discs will work with all Philips Carin and Siemens VDO navigation.
go to our web site for details
regards
Joe Kenyon
www.carin.co.uk and go to maps
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Sir,
Please take a look at the link http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1171574653/15 we seem to have un answered questions with regards to our sat navs in our Vauxhalls, maybe you could shed some light on our issues..
Very Many Thanks
Dave,
Cheers Dave C
Please pass on any info if you get any, DC
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good work dave c ,
i never thought of going down that avenue ,yes ive sent them email requesting info regards post code on my system.
will keep you posted
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The people you need to speak to is a company called VDO Dayton who purchased the Carin (Car Information and Navigation) satellite navigation business from Philips. The Dutch company wilted under the heat from the rival Blaupunkt TravelPilot System some years ago now and decided dispose of the business in order to take the money and run. It looks like a smart auto electrical business has managed to acquire the defunct domain name. If you speak to VDO they will tell you that the early Carin systems should now be regarded as absolute and are not powerful enough to run the latest discs (they of course just about can but rather slowly for routing etc). They will kindly in exchange for your credit card number offer to put you in touch with one of their dealers for the installation of one of their latest systems. Interestingly Philips recently abandoned its plans to re-enter the stand alone Sat Nav device business stating the market was too saturated. The early Carin systems only do partial post code searches even with the latest version 2.3 GM firmware.
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Nice info, GM2.3 firmware Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Where we get it? Any suggestions other than VDO??
DC
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heres the response i just got from carin
Hi
there is only partial postcode search on your system and with the later mapping disc, it's only on the latest nav systems that full postcode search feature is available, by putting in say WF15 6 then the street name allows only the street within that postcode, as in Birmingham there is 14 Green Lane's, so by typing in the first part of the postcode gives you the correct Green Lane.
for maps go to our web page
regards
Joe Kenyon
01924 403097
fax 400628
ALSO i just put in the latest 2007 disc in and its let me do a partial post code search also it has a lot better response regards junctions , all in all i am satisfied now with the results, i dont think we would benefit anything updating to the 2.3 as mentioned.
UNLESS someone knows different ?
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Sitting on a dusty shelf in the back office of your friendly (but expensive) Vauxhall dealer somewhere there may be a Carin firmware upgrade disc. I found one quite by accident (at WJ King Welling South East London) the parts department staff thought it was a mapping disc. They were not sure what it was and said try and see if it’s any good. Upon insertion it immediately entered a setup routine much to their (and my) horror. It however completed OK and I had a free firmware upgrade to version 2.3. This is the latest version of the firmware for the GM Carin system. There is firmware version 2.9 also available for Carin but this is for the retail systems only. The GM Opel firmware was unique and the retail software as several of our EU German cousins have found doesn’t work properly albeit that it will install (apparently it stops speaking and causes crashes). If anyone speaks German there is still quite a lot of info available on the net. Because GM switched to an alternative system in 1999/2000 no further GM firmware upgrades were completed beyond 2.3 although Philips continued to develop the retail firmware version.
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Nice one Joe,
Many thanks, for accepting the invite to advise us,,
Cheers Dave C
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mark,
have you still got it and is there any chance of us using it , im sure we could come to some arrangment that suits you.
although im not 100% sure wether i actually need it as my hw/ sw is as follows
Ident No 581/75
HW id 0105
SW id 0230
Product date 98 / 04.
looking forward to your response and anybody else that might have this disc.
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mark,
have you still got it and is there any chance of us using it , im sure we could come to some arrangment that suits you.
although im not 100% sure wether i actually need it as my hw/ sw is as follows
Ident No 581/75
HW id 0105
SW id 0230
Product date 98 / 04.
looking forward to your response and anybody else that might have this disc.
Sorry to be a spoil sport, as this is a good, imformative thread, but, AFAIK, the upgrade is not a 'free' upgrade, and hence we cannot allow discussion about borrowing CDs etc etc. :(. I may be wrong, and it may be a free upgrade, or Carin no longer care, but you need to confirm that first ;)
No problem discussion what the different versions and software/map combinations do though :).
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ok, but "if" it is obsolete how are we supposed to upgrade, are we to stay with what weve got.
This dont seem fair.
therefor im open to suggestions.
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ok, but "if" it is obsolete how are we supposed to upgrade, are we to stay with what weve got.
This dont seem fair.
therefor im open to suggestions.
Alas, once the vendor decides its obsolete, and shortly afterwards stops supplying updates, thats just tough.
TBH, the Carin unit fitted is a really old system (ie 10 yrs old!) in a fast moving sector - would you expect your computer supplier to keep your 10yr old PC updated, with parts available?
Compared to software, Carin is from Windows 95 OSR2 era (96/97ish). Do you think its fair that Microsoft no longer provide any update or support for Win9x users. I think its fair, as its time to move on...
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yes i agree but if it is obsolete and ancient and no longer available, are'nt we in order trying to get hold of the updates from where ever possible.
even if this means borrowing / buying etc.
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yes i agree but if it is obsolete and ancient and no longer available, are'nt we in order trying to get hold of the updates from where ever possible.
even if this means borrowing / buying etc.
You need to clarify with vendor.
I know MS still don't allow copying of older software ;)
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Just for the info of anyone out there if your software is id 0230 then you have the most recent firmware available. SW id 0230 = Ver 2.3. The retail Carin runs to Ver 2.9 or SW id 0290. The firmware is actually not the problem its the ancient slow running processor that struggles to cope with the much much larger modern discs. Its a bit like trying to run Office XP on a Pentium 133. When Carin fist came on the market in 1996 the Mapping discs were regional and very small, London and the south east being digitally mapped first and the system gradually expanded.
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Not wishing to start fighting or any other silly stuff! Just to make a point though! Surely, VX dealers would only have 1 copy of the firmware and would use this to upgrade as nesessary on many vehicles, (i.e. shareware kinda thing) Effectively it's not software, BUT, an upgrade to aid running later software, so if I was to borrow this disc, use it and return it, (i.e. NOT making illegal copies of it) then surely I'm not contraveining any copyright restrictions.. This is my view, whilst respecting the views of TB and Omega Owners Forum & Carin / VDO Dayton..
Cheers Dave C
Any chance of a borrow??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Not wishing to start fighting or any other silly stuff! Just to make a point though! Surely, VX dealers would only have 1 copy of the firmware and would use this to upgrade as nesessary on many vehicles, (i.e. shareware kinda thing) Effectively it's not software, BUT, an upgrade to aid running later software, so if I was to borrow this disc, use it and return it, (i.e. NOT making illegal copies of it) then surely I'm not contraveining any copyright restrictions.. This is my view, whilst respecting the views of TB and Omega Owners Forum & Carin / VDO Dayton..
Cheers Dave C
Any chance of a borrow??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
You may be right. However, you may not be. It is possible that the dealer has to (or is supposed to) buy a CD or some other upgrade fee for each one. Its possible it is a 'free' upgrade (perhaps a small fee to dealer for doing), but I don't know...
It really needs to be confirmed with GM/Carin. Though, what do you hope to gain from firmware update?
I know the map upgrades do have a fee per unit.
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Wish I knew what the advantages were to the upgrade, I suppose it's, "The Wanting the Best for What We Got , syndrome" Truthfully, postcodes would be good, then like the gearbox ecu upgrade, it may make a massive difference... would love to find out!!!
What I will say is that, I've recently run Teleatlas 06/07 and Navteq 03 and the Navteq is much quicker and from my findings more advantagous with faster responses to change in position, more notice of junctions etc.
Any views on comparisons?
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Wish I knew what the advantages were to the upgrade, I suppose it's, "The Wanting the Best for What We Got , syndrome" Truthfully, postcodes would be good, then like the gearbox ecu upgrade, it may make a massive difference... would love to find out!!!
What I will say is that, I've recently run Teleatlas 06/07 and Carin 03 and the Carin is much quicker and from my findings more advantagous with faster responses to change in position, more notice of junctions etc.
Any views on comparisons?
I don't think the Carin fitted by GM can do full postcodes with any firmware... ...full postcode search is a recent thing, even on standalone units (which tends to be more feature rich than factory fit systems)
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dave, i agree with your 2nd paragraph ive just got the 2007 and i also have noticed it being very quick in recognising the junctions and direction of travel and as said b4 now i can at least put in partial post code which saves time having to type in the full city name.
As for the 0230 version thanks to mark for confirming that i have the latest firmware.
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I don't think the Carin fitted by GM can do full postcodes with any firmware...
ISTR that the Post Office charge a substantial licensing fee for users of the full postcode in products. This is why many sat nav systems only use the first half of the code to get an approximate position. I would say this makes it unlikely that the developer of an old system would stump up the cash to upgrade an ageing product in that way.
Kevin