Omega Owners Forum
Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Dean on 27 April 2007, 01:06:20
-
Knowing i have a hole in my back box (twin exit pipe) and my mot is due soon... thought i would take it for a free exhaust check at KWik fit today...
Told him to check the whole exhaust and tell me what needs replacing.
He confirmed the back box has a hole....
His quote (for single exit pipe) £92
HOWEVER... he said that it might be difficult or impossible to split it from the next sections so if they need replacing then that will bump the price up to £250 !
Two questions...
1) is he talking bullshit about splitting the sections?
2) for some reason my 2.5v6 Elite has the twin exit exhaust, a pattern exhaust(yes i know they are not brilliant but i am skint) is £33 but its £60+ for the twin exit! will there be any performance loss by me going for the single exit back box??
Thanks
-
This is odd.. I always knew that only 3.0/3.2 had twin pipes as standard. In fact you could tell a 2.5 Elite from a 3.0 Elite by the tailpipe(s)... are you sure yours is original Vx? maybe it was replaced by previous owner? At any rate apart from the visual affect I see no advantage in fitting twin pipe exhaust on a 2.5/2.6... and the elite engines we the same as the GLS/CD/CDX, so I can't see why they would have a different exhaust.
-
Yes, I guess it has had a 3.0 tailpipe fitted by a previous owner. if there will be no power loss I will probably go for the single tailpipe to save money...
Anyone know the cheapest online place?
BYPARTSBY is £45.91 including deliver and VAT.. any others?
Thanks
Dean
-
These (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EXHAUST-Vauxhall-OMEGA-B-Saloo-3-0-Rear-Silencer-P17238_W0QQitemZ200101494854QQihZ010QQcategoryZ10404QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) eBay ones are £38.50 inc. P&P (same price for 2.5 & 3.0), however I cannot vouch for quality....
-
See if yu can get one with a trade card cos make no mistake if yu keeping car yull regret it if yu put a patten one on they are 71 on tc bite the bullet an get a vx one
robert
-
So if I could clarify??..is it ok to put a 3.0/3.2 twin exit tail pipe on a 2.5/2.6...mine is on its way out and it is a single exit..so a I was thinking about a twin exit..any idea how much genuine GM would be ?against the cost of a single exit...might be a good time to get a TC as previous posts?
-
single pn 93181187 71 53
double pn 90572635 89.47
-
I just (like last week) put a double exit on the back of my 2.5 - £99+vat for gen GM with trade card. Looks nice though but probably makes bu@@er all difference to anything measurable ;-)
-
I just (like last week) put a double exit on the back of my 2.5 - £99+vat for gen GM with trade card. Looks nice though but probably makes bu@@er all difference to anything measurable ;-)
Oh and forgot to say, Ive got a single exit backbox (usable but old) which you can have very cheaply if you want - see my posting in parts for sale. Whether its worth a trip to plymouth though...
-
Thanks for all the advice, finally gone for one of the 3.0 twin pipes of ebay, heard a few people say they are ok
came to £38.50 in total...now just got to get it fitted!
-
Thanks for all the advice, finally gone for one of the 3.0 twin pipes of ebay, heard a few people say they are ok
came to £38.50 in total...now just got to get it fitted!
Let us know what you think when fitted....
-
Did yu fit it is it it noisy as im only keeping my cdx for anothr year then getting rid so not going to buy genuine if these arnt too bad
Robert
-
The exhaust has just been despatched so should be here in a few days...
local garage said about £25 to fit it (hoping it comes off easy - and does'nt require the centre sections)
I will let you know about the noise...
-
local garage said about £25 to fit it
That's a bit steep...
-
is it??
-
haggle with the fitting price!
i'll say this much, kwik fit are ROBBIN gits
-
Dean, when you ask is it? [expensive] that all depends.
How corroded are the bolts that secure the clamps? If it looks nasty, I would happily pay the £25 to get it done. Having just attempted to change an exhaust myself, I would advise getting them to fit it to be honest unless the nuts and bolts look EASY to undo. You could always soak them with plus gas or similar and try and undo them yourself. if they undo, then you can fit the new part easily. If not, then pay the £25 to get it done. With hindsight, this is what I should have done.
-
Dean, when you ask is it? [expensive] that all depends.
How corroded are the bolts that secure the clamps? If it looks nasty, I would happily pay the £25 to get it done. Having just attempted to change an exhaust myself, I would advise getting them to fit it to be honest unless the nuts and bolts look EASY to undo. You could always soak them with plus gas or similar and try and undo them yourself. if they undo, then you can fit the new part easily. If not, then pay the £25 to get it done. With hindsight, this is what I should have done.
If you are trying to separate the backbox from the centre pipes this could be very difficult so if the price is fixed at £25 it could be a bargain! The problem is that both pipes go into the backbox together so you cant do the 'twist it around' bit without removing the centre pipes from the car, which means you need to unstick the 3 bolts on the centre pipe to cat boxes....
As x25xe says, it all depends on what the bolts and connections are like. My guess is that if the exhaust has gone rusty, so have the connections ... especially where the centre pipes slide into the backbox.
-
Just to add to your worries here, if it is tough to seperate, the garage could be tempted to encourage it with 'lenny the lump hammer'. Guess what that could do for the cats, manifold gaskets....
-
Dean, when you ask is it? [expensive] that all depends.
How corroded are the bolts that secure the clamps? If it looks nasty, I would happily pay the £25 to get it done. Having just attempted to change an exhaust myself, I would advise getting them to fit it to be honest unless the nuts and bolts look EASY to undo. You could always soak them with plus gas or similar and try and undo them yourself. if they undo, then you can fit the new part easily. If not, then pay the £25 to get it done. With hindsight, this is what I should have done.
If you are trying to separate the backbox from the centre pipes this could be very difficult so if the price is fixed at £25 it could be a bargain! The problem is that both pipes go into the backbox together so you cant do the 'twist it around' bit without removing the centre pipes from the car, which means you need to unstick the 3 bolts on the centre pipe to cat boxes....
As x25xe says, it all depends on what the bolts and connections are like. My guess is that if the exhaust has gone rusty, so have the connections ... especially where the centre pipes slide into the backbox.
When put like that it sounds more reasonable, however if I couldn't do it myself I'd be gutted if I had to pay more than a tenner...
-
Dean, when you ask is it? [expensive] that all depends.
How corroded are the bolts that secure the clamps? If it looks nasty, I would happily pay the £25 to get it done. Having just attempted to change an exhaust myself, I would advise getting them to fit it to be honest unless the nuts and bolts look EASY to undo. You could always soak them with plus gas or similar and try and undo them yourself. if they undo, then you can fit the new part easily. If not, then pay the £25 to get it done. With hindsight, this is what I should have done.
If you are trying to separate the backbox from the centre pipes this could be very difficult so if the price is fixed at £25 it could be a bargain! The problem is that both pipes go into the backbox together so you cant do the 'twist it around' bit without removing the centre pipes from the car, which means you need to unstick the 3 bolts on the centre pipe to cat boxes....
As x25xe says, it all depends on what the bolts and connections are like. My guess is that if the exhaust has gone rusty, so have the connections ... especially where the centre pipes slide into the backbox.
When put like that it sounds more reasonable, however if I couldn't do it myself I'd be gutted if I had to pay more than a tenner...
Know what you mean ;) I hate paying for jobs I cant do myself! I think its markjay who has a good strapline on that one...
-
The exhaust has arrived today.... very quick!
not looked at it yet.. .will post some picslater.
The garage did not say £25 full stop... they said £25 if its reletively easy????
so could be a lot more.. It does look a little rusty and i dont fancy trying it myself..
The exhaust cost me £38 thats £54 less than Kwik fit quoted so i guess i have upto that to play with before it becomes a problem..
I reckon i can ge the centre pipes from the same bloke if it comes to it... a lot less than £250 quoted ny Kwik fit!
-
Here is some pikkies of the exhaust
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02842.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02843.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02844.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02845.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02846.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02847.jpg)
-
Very fast delivery, great packaging.....
the ebay usename is - Eternalcar.
Will be a few weeks till i can have it fitted... so will lwt you all know how that goes.
-
Very fast delivery, great packaging.....
the ebay usename is - Eternalcar.
Will be a few weeks till i can have it fitted... so will lwt you all know how that goes.
Ah - eternalcar, thought I recognised their stickers. I ordered a boot liner form them and that was quick to arrive too. Good luck with the job, and let us know how you get on. Be good to see if the noise levels are OK with this exhaust.
If you want to try and improve the odds of not getting a big bill, some regular spraying of penetrating oil as has been suggested earlier will be helpful if the jobs not due for a week or 2.
-
what sort of penetrating oil is best then?
-
A few pics of the joint....
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02848.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02850.jpg)
pic showing the reason it needs to be replaced
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02851.jpg)
-
what sort of penetrating oil is best then?
Having seen the pictures you just posted... they look like they will be pretty stuck. x25xe suggested plus gas, Ive got some of that and its good but I havent seen it on sale locally for a while. 3 in 1 do a penetrant spray too which Ive not used so cant say if its any good. WD40 if nothing better to hand is better than nothing though.
What are the bolts joining the centre pipes to the cats like? If this was my car (and the cat bolts were OK) Id be tempted to take the whole lot off (easy if the cat bolts are OK) and this will help reduce risk of damage to centre pipes. Problem is that the cat bolts are likely to be rusty if on for a while and these are an even bigger hassle if you need to get them off...
Jon
-
Just found this http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/details.php?cat=Lubricants&product=30700
-
had my exhaust on my 3.0 elite replaced from the cat backwards for £180 last month,it failed the mot on back box (twin exit and original vaux),after removing the exhaust the centre boxs also had holes which the mot tester overlooked and obviously could not hear blowing when under the car. the pattern part is more noisey but not to bad.
-
Looking at my pictures... its tempting to try cutting it off...do you all think, if i cut the clamps it would seperate or will it be rusted together??
-
I don't fancy gettign them off....
-
Looking at my pictures... its tempting to try cutting it off...do you all think, if i cut the clamps it would seperate or will it be rusted together??
Well the problem is less likely to be the clamps and more likely to be the place where the centre pipes sleeve into the backbox pipes. The clamps tighten up the outer sleeve (backbox) onto the inner sleeve (centre pipe) and the tendency will be for the lot to rust together. So its not just a case of cutting the clamps to separate them. I guess the clamps will loosen OK with persuasion though.
But, after that, you will need to remove the backbox from the centre pipes without damaging the centre pipes. I'd be tempted to angle grind the backbox off, then carefully take the outer sleeves out with a grinder and/or hacksaw and a bit of patience. It is likely to be a bit of an arrs, as TB suggests. I ended up doing the cats back on mine, despite having an OK back box. But thats not an ideal solution as I ended up drilling out the cat bolts which was a right hassle. Your best bet is some careful application of a grinder, minigrinder & hacksaw I guess if you want to try and do this on the car.
If you want to combine this with other business if you are down my way (sounds like the jobs not urgent) then I'll give you a hand if you like,
Jon
-
Thanks.. Lets say i get the thing off. i assume its just a matter of clamping the new one on? no sealent or anything???
-
Just found this http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/details.php?cat=Lubricants&product=30700
Delivery seems a bit steep? £4.18 for a can then £7.05 delivery charge?
-
Just found this http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/details.php?cat=Lubricants&product=30700
Delivery seems a bit steep? £4.18 for a can then £7.05 delivery charge?
Ouch! Didnt notice that. Guess you need a local branch!
-
Thanks.. Lets say i get the thing off. i assume its just a matter of clamping the new one on? no sealent or anything???
Assuming the old one comes off, installing the new one is just a case of sliding the backbox onto the new pipes and then tightening up the clamps. (You may need to clean up / polish up the old tubes if they wont easily fit into the new backbox due to rust.) Nothing stopping you putting a smear of exhaust paste on the centrebox pipe, but this may not be needed. Might need some exhaust hangars if yours are in poor condition, but my 8 year old ones were fine when I changed my exhaust. I stuck new ones on as Id bought them anyway...
-
Thanks.. I am tempted to have a go. i have'nt got an angle grinder however - just a dremel and hack saw...
think i will leave it to the experts....
-
Having removed a backbox recently I'd say don't muck about. The only way that will come off nicely is to chop the back box off with an angle grinder and very carefully split the remaining pipe and clamps with the angle grinder.
I tried banging, blow torches, penetrating oil and that joint was solid.
-
Having removed a backbox recently I'd say don't muck about. The only way that will come off nicely is to chop the back box off with an angle grinder and very carefully split the remaining pipe and clamps with the angle grinder.
I tried banging, blow torches, penetrating oil and that joint was solid.
where abouts are you in Bristol mate?
-
Long Ashton - but doing my exhaust was a nightmare.
I'd rather give you £25 to get the garage to do it than do it again......
-
Sounds like a job for the garage... I am in Kingswood. :y
-
Looking at my pictures... its tempting to try cutting it off...do you all think, if i cut the clamps it would seperate or will it be rusted together??
As has already been said - it would be far better to part with your £25 than attempt this. I know from experience - thought I could do the job but had to admit defeat in the end. :-[
I will never attempt another exhaust again!!
-
I replaced my Back Box at the weekend it was Soooooooooo Rusted but lucky for me my 2litre on has one centre section so i just took the whole thing off CAT back sheared off the clamp bolts in two seconds then beat the connect to the back box and centre section with a hammer to get all the rust off so i could see the join and then used a hammer and chisle took about 2 mins to part them and I am not joking when i say it was rusted tight.
Craig
-
i think your garage will have problems getting that back box off.
It will either just fall off very easily, or it will be a right PITA!
-
Sounds like a job for the garage... I am in Kingswood. :y
Without the right tools etc yes I guess so. It ought to be removable without damage to the centre pipes with patience, just hope that your garage will do that. If the centre pipes are in poor condition though they may not be very inclined to fiddle with it...
Jon
-
Yes, I guess it has had a 3.0 tailpipe fitted by a previous owner. if there will be no power loss I will probably go for the single tailpipe to save money...
Anyone know the cheapest online place?
BYPARTSBY is £45.91 including deliver and VAT.. any others?
Thanks
Dean
does anybody have the full url for bypartsby as all i get from a google search is error403 forbidden.
-
does anybody have the full url for bypartsby as all i get from a google search is error403 forbidden.
Try this (http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/)
-
Well I have the car booked in for the back box and MOT on the 31st..
Went out today to give it a second squirt of WD40...got tempted so used a spanner on one of the clamps...snap - bolt sheared off...
one of the clamps was rusted straight through and i managed to pursuade that one off in about 2 minutes.
The second took a bit of banging with an hammer and that came off as well...
So now i have NO CLAMPS at all... managed to soak it with WD40
Hopefully if i keep soaking it by the 31st it will come off easy for the garage.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02889.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02890.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02891.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02892.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t34/dward32/DSC02894.jpg)
-
Looking at my pictures... its tempting to try cutting it off...do you all think, if i cut the clamps it would seperate or will it be rusted together??
As has already been said - it would be far better to part with your £25 than attempt this. I know from experience - thought I could do the job but had to admit defeat in the end. :-[
I will never attempt another exhaust again!!
Aw, just noticed this on a re-read of the post. Bad luck yours didnt work out X25XE, sorry to hear that. Was it the cat bolt drilling that was the stumbling block?
Jon
-
Well I have the car booked in for the back box and MOT on the 31st..
So now i have NO CLAMPS at all... managed to soak it with WD40
Good luck with it Dean - running it around without the clamp bolts may possibly help it vibrate loose if you are lucky. (If it does come loose its not likely to fall off due to the location of the back box rubber hangers.) Its probably not going to come loose though. If you felt keen you could clean up the loose and flaky rust from the join area so as to get more penetrating oil in.
The centre pipes do look pretty corroded to the back box... Might be worth asking the garage not to go ahead with anything too drastic so that you have time to get hold of more exhaust parts if needed - otherwise you may end up paying top whack for the additional bits if you suddenly need them urgently just to continue driving. Just an idea. Also posted a suggestion on your other thread about paint.
-
Well I have the car booked in for the back box and MOT on the 31st..
So now i have NO CLAMPS at all... managed to soak it with WD40
Good luck with it Dean - running it around without the clamp bolts may possibly help it vibrate loose if you are lucky. (If it does come loose its not likely to fall off due to the location of the back box rubber hangers.) Its probably not going to come loose though. If you felt keen you could clean up the loose and flaky rust from the join area so as to get more penetrating oil in.
The centre pipes do look pretty corroded to the back box... Might be worth asking the garage not to go ahead with anything too drastic so that you have time to get hold of more exhaust parts if needed - otherwise you may end up paying top whack for the additional bits if you suddenly need them urgently just to continue driving. Just an idea. Also posted a suggestion on your other thread about paint.
I was thinking i might go ahead and order the two centre sections just in case, I can get them from the same ebay guy at £71 the pair including delivery...
Then if the garage can't get the back box off without damaging the centre sections i have the cheaper ones there as you suggested.
If i dont need them i can put them back on ebay or here... and get just about the same back for them.
-
What u need is a four post ramp and a good wife thats what i had ;D ;D ;D
[honest ]
-
Had the exhaust done... no problems they said. cost £25 for the work
I am thinking the daily spray of WD40 might have helped the joint... :y
The replacement sounds ok, not excessively noisy
If it lasts a couple of years then its worth the cash.
-
Had the exhaust done... no problems they said. cost £25 for the work
I am thinking the daily spray of WD40 might have helped the joint... :y
The replacement sounds ok, not excessively noisy
If it lasts a couple of years then its worth the cash.
Plus Gas, is the best penetrating fluid for this job :y
-
Had the exhaust done... no problems they said. cost £25 for the work
I am thinking the daily spray of WD40 might have helped the joint... :y
The replacement sounds ok, not excessively noisy
If it lasts a couple of years then its worth the cash.
Great news Dean, much better outcome than I expected. Result! 8-)