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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 27 September 2007, 08:09:14
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Driving down the A48 (M) dual carraigeway this morning, I came across the most annoying driver.
He was in the outside lane (of 2) doing about 67mph. No other traffic about. I Was moving slightly quicker than him. Came up behind him, in the same lane, keeping a reasonable distance away, expecting him to move over. After a bit he didn't, so still keeping a safe distance, gave him a quick flash of the lights.
No response from him - he just kept hogging the outside lane at 65mph.
Flash lights again briefly, nothing, so tap horn. He turns to look in his mirror.. "ah ha, he's seen me" I think, expecting him to move over.
Did he heck - he remained hogging the outside lane, but put his windscreen washers on, constantly, soaking my screen.
I keep following at a safe distance, waiting for him to move over. And what does he do? absolutely hammer on his brakes, for no reason at all. Obviously it didn't cause any accidents, because I was following at a safe gap. I had to react fast though, and his ABS was definately working!
After he did this, he finally pulled over into the inside lane, so I took my opportunity, and overtook him as quickly as I could.
What does he do? Put his foot down, to try and prevent me passing. I have nearly twice the engine size of his Focus, so I drop down a gear and pass him anyway.
Once I was a safe gap in front of him, I pulled into the nearside lane, at which point he approached me from behind at breakneck speed, and proceeded to sit on my bumper, flashing his lights repeatedly.
He then kept up this behaviour for about 5 minutes, until he pulled onto a sliproad and beggared off.
Some people should just not be on the road, I did nothing aggressive (and nothing that could be percieved as agressive) to cause his reactions,
I wonder if some people just get kicks out of behaving like this? :'(
I was tempted to report to the police, but I was concentrating too much on staying safe to get his reg no, so I doubt it's much point.
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You do get them i'm afraid James >:(
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If you travel the road frequently you'll probably see him again. Report him then:y
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thats because he belongs to the "im driving at the speed limit therefore nobody could possibly want to overtake because that would be illegal"brigade. what a pillock, idiot,moron.delete or add as required
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What an arse ....some people just dont deserve thier licence
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It's times like that when you would love to be an undercover traffic cop ;)
Quick flash of the old blue lights and pull the bugger ;D
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I vote for retest - would be a benefit of everyone having cameras recording in cars - such situations would be caught and tried via retesting.
The a slap for failing it ;D
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What a tosser - you should have driven like a traffic cop - he may then have paniced and got out of the way
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Oh and get his reg no. A real traffic Policeman would be interested (I used to know a Gloucestershire one from a preserved railway both members of) and they take things like this VERY seriously (unlike the call centres).
If you see one on the same route - stop and mention it to him and explain why.
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arrogant tosser,and its usually the inocent party that comes off worse >:(
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Unfortunately James, this kind of bad driving is very common these days. >:( I have to say I get REALLY frustrated when I come across this kind of behaviour and don't have much time for it. If the road ahead is clear and they won't move to the inside lane I keep my right hand indicator on for a while and give an quick flash. If they still sit there I'm afraid it's a case of hitting the S button and undertaking the bug*ers.
Now I know there's some that will say that's dangerous and makes me as bad as them but sorry, I'm past caring these days. I just cannot tolerate these inconsiderate, arrogant idiots. >:( >:(
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Unfortunately James, this kind of bad driving is very common these days. >:( I have to say I get REALLY frustrated when I come across this kind of behaviour and don't have much time for it. If the road ahead is clear and they won't move to the inside lane I keep my right hand indicator on for a while and give an quick flash. If they still sit there I'm afraid it's a case of hitting the S button and undertaking the bug*ers.
Now I know there's some that will say that's dangerous and makes me as bad as them but sorry, I'm past caring these days. I just cannot tolerate these inconsiderate, arrogant idiots. >:( >:(
Me too im afraid.... :y :-[
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Not so long back Mrs DaveL and I were in a well known place that has a lot of Golf courses near to us. Came upon a roundabout, overgrown with vegetation so you cannot see across to see if any one is on the other side or entering roundabout. Just started to enter roundabout when this Merc SLK wipes round the roundabout in front of me, well in excess of the 30 mph speed limit. I emergency brake and gently hit the megas horn. The Merc takes next exit, we carry on our way, see in rear view mirror SLK turning quickly in car park and chasing me down road. Other car right on bumper, so close I lost its number plate in the rear mirror. The other driver then overtakes on a blind bend hitting his horn and flashing his lights.
I thought o.k. get ready for his brake lights to come on, but no he carries on at the speed limit. I think he had other things on his mind as Mrs DaveL was on the mobile reporting him to the Police for his aggressive and inconsiderate driving.
Merc does a turn off and I carry on my way.
Police interview the idiot and gets a verbal warning from them. We get a lot of 'money' up here and tourists who sometimes do not realise what side of the road to drive on. Just hope the Merc driver has learnt his lesson and does not hurt any one. Suppose if he prang his car he will just go out and get another. As I said we have 'money' up here. :-[
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Unfortunately James, this kind of bad driving is very common these days. >:( I have to say I get REALLY frustrated when I come across this kind of behaviour and don't have much time for it. If the road ahead is clear and they won't move to the inside lane I keep my right hand indicator on for a while and give an quick flash. If they still sit there I'm afraid it's a case of hitting the S button and undertaking the bug*ers.
Now I know there's some that will say that's dangerous and makes me as bad as them but sorry, I'm past caring these days. I just cannot tolerate these inconsiderate, arrogant idiots. >:( >:(
Me too im afraid.... :y :-[
Ditto! I give them plenty of chance and try to ask them politley, by a quick flash of the lights. If all else fails undertake.
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Lane discipline is a great idea in theory, but it simply doesn't work in this country. It's a system that requires most drivers to obey the rules otherwise it's a waste of time, and certainly on the roads I drive on I'd say a majority of drivers don't return to the left lane when they should. Personally I always move to the left lane unless I'm overtaking or waiting on someone else to complete an overtake after which I intend to overtake that person, but I definitely feel like I'm in the minority, especially on 3 or 4 lane motorways.
I think it's about time we should abopt the US system, where you're still supposed to move to the inside lane (right lane over there) unless overtaking, but you're allowed to overtake in any lane. That way we suddenly remove the satisfaction such idiots get from holding up traffic, if they're sitting doing 60 in lane 2 then just move to lane 1 and go past, perfectly legally. Yes there are additional risks involved, in that drivers will actually have to look before switching lanes (heaven forbid), but I'd balance that against the dangers caused by drivers getting irate due to middle lane morons blocking the road.
Personally I just give them a little time to react, and if they don't budge I'll just overtake in whatever lane is available. No drama, no frustration. I would like to see a much more proactive approach to enforcing lane discipline however -- if we're going to continue to stick with the "no undertaking" rule then we have to ensure that it actually works, and that means people not overtaking should be in the left hand lane. Otherwise the whole thing is a waste of time and we might as well revert to the US system mentioned above.
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well although the highway code clearly says you should be in the left-hand lane unless overtaking in those scenarios, there are a lot of muppets like that one that don't.
I tend to take the approach that if they're so ignorant that they haven't seen you coming up behind them and following them for a mile or so (whilst maintaining a safe distance), I tend to just switch on sports mode and undertake, as they're obviously in a little world of their own. Either that or they're ignorant and arrogant like the one you met, in which case flashing and beeping only tends to result in toys being thrown out of the pram ...
I believe there was a similar scene on one of the "police stop!" type programs - eventually the following car undertook the one on the outside lane, BOTH cars got pulled and given a talking to ... yes, the following car shouldn't undertake - but the leading car should have moved over and let the following car pass when it's not overtaking ...
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I'm sure those living in Milton Keynes will agree, but this is a normal thing around here. But then a large proportion of the population around here do not have valid driving licences....
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Driving down the A48 (M) dual carraigeway this morning, I came across the most annoying driver.
He was in the outside lane (of 2) doing about 67mph. No other traffic about. I Was moving slightly quicker than him. Came up behind him, in the same lane, keeping a reasonable distance away, expecting him to move over. After a bit he didn't, so still keeping a safe distance, gave him a quick flash of the lights.
No response from him - he just kept hogging the outside lane at 65mph.
Flash lights again briefly, nothing, so tap horn. He turns to look in his mirror.. "ah ha, he's seen me" I think, expecting him to move over.
Did he heck - he remained hogging the outside lane, but put his windscreen washers on, constantly, soaking my screen.
I keep following at a safe distance, waiting for him to move over. And what does he do? absolutely hammer on his brakes, for no reason at all. Obviously it didn't cause any accidents, because I was following at a safe gap. I had to react fast though, and his ABS was definately working!
After he did this, he finally pulled over into the inside lane, so I took my opportunity, and overtook him as quickly as I could.
What does he do? Put his foot down, to try and prevent me passing. I have nearly twice the engine size of his Focus, so I drop down a gear and pass him anyway.
Once I was a safe gap in front of him, I pulled into the nearside lane, at which point he approached me from behind at breakneck speed, and proceeded to sit on my bumper, flashing his lights repeatedly.
He then kept up this behaviour for about 5 minutes, until he pulled onto a sliproad and beggared off.
Some people should just not be on the road, I did nothing aggressive (and nothing that could be percieved as agressive) to cause his reactions,
I wonder if some people just get kicks out of behaving like this? :'(
I was tempted to report to the police, but I was concentrating too much on staying safe to get his reg no, so I doubt it's much point.
had it come to the point of you both stopping at the same place, you could have tapped on his window and said "do you have your driving license with you sir?" then tell him you'd like to discuss the manner of his driving. dont mention the word "police" because obviously you're not, but he might poo his pants :D
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:) where a Hi-Vis Tabard when driving your omega?
Having to were one for work, it works for me.
Even the police where fooled, i was only driving home.
They were on a call coming towards me, they slowed down, wound down there window, looked, i smiled, then they sped off.
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:) where a Hi-Vis Tabard when driving your omega?
Having to were one for work, it works for me.
Even the police where fooled, i was only driving home.
They were on a call coming towards me, they slowed down, wound down there window, looked, i smiled, then they sped off.
manual windows?? are they spending our money on better things than the cars? ;D
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well although the highway code clearly says you should be in the left-hand lane unless overtaking in those scenarios, there are a lot of muppets like that one that don't.
I tend to take the approach that if they're so ignorant that they haven't seen you coming up behind them and following them for a mile or so (whilst maintaining a safe distance), I tend to just switch on sports mode and undertake, as they're obviously in a little world of their own. Either that or they're ignorant and arrogant like the one you met, in which case flashing and beeping only tends to result in toys being thrown out of the pram ...
I believe there was a similar scene on one of the "police stop!" type programs - eventually the following car undertook the one on the outside lane, BOTH cars got pulled and given a talking to ... yes, the following car shouldn't undertake - but the leading car should have moved over and let the following car pass when it's not overtaking ...
I would totally agree with you about the undertaking, the amount of people on the roads that do this I think appears to be increasing. I personnaly think it is time that something was done about the amout of incompetent people driving on our roads these days. I am not sure what could be done though?
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A long long time ago I actually saw a car being pulled over by a 'Jam Buttie' (yes! It was THAT long ago ;D) on the M4 that'd just been sat in lane TWO for mile after mile.
Edited cos I'm stupid!
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whats wrong with being in lane 1?
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whats wrong with being in lane 1?
Ooops Lane [size=12]2[/size]
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A long long time ago I actually saw a car being pulled over by a 'Jam Buttie' (yes! It was THAT long ago ;D) on the M4 that'd just been sat in lane TWO for mile after mile.
Edited cos I'm stupid!
i remember the Jam butty!!
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A long long time ago I actually saw a car being pulled over by a 'Jam Buttie' (yes! It was THAT long ago ;D) on the M4 that'd just been sat in lane TWO for mile after mile.
Edited cos I'm stupid!
i remember the Jam butty!!
You could've left my edit small :-[ :y :y
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I agree with BOB i'm afraid! When I was minicabbing this happened alot when on the M4 I alway's undertook someone if they didn't move into the inside lane and as I passed them and got infront of them they would flash there lights at me. In the end I got so peed off with this I bought a relay set of ebay which made my main beam bulbs wig wag just like Mr Plod!! Definatley made it worth will buying them, should have seen them pull over into the inside lane and slow down then I go into sport mode foot flat to the floor and saying SEE YA!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Driving down the A48 (M) dual carraigeway this morning, I came across the most annoying driver.
He was in the outside lane (of 2) doing about 67mph. No other traffic about. I Was moving slightly quicker than him. Came up behind him, in the same lane, keeping a reasonable distance away, expecting him to move over. After a bit he didn't, so still keeping a safe distance, gave him a quick flash of the lights.
No response from him - he just kept hogging the outside lane at 65mph.
Flash lights again briefly, nothing, so tap horn. He turns to look in his mirror.. "ah ha, he's seen me" I think, expecting him to move over.
Did he heck - he remained hogging the outside lane, but put his windscreen washers on, constantly, soaking my screen.
I keep following at a safe distance, waiting for him to move over. And what does he do? absolutely hammer on his brakes, for no reason at all. Obviously it didn't cause any accidents, because I was following at a safe gap. I had to react fast though, and his ABS was definately working!
After he did this, he finally pulled over into the inside lane, so I took my opportunity, and overtook him as quickly as I could.
What does he do? Put his foot down, to try and prevent me passing. I have nearly twice the engine size of his Focus, so I drop down a gear and pass him anyway.
Once I was a safe gap in front of him, I pulled into the nearside lane, at which point he approached me from behind at breakneck speed, and proceeded to sit on my bumper, flashing his lights repeatedly.
He then kept up this behaviour for about 5 minutes, until he pulled onto a sliproad and beggared off.
Some people should just not be on the road, I did nothing aggressive (and nothing that could be percieved as agressive) to cause his reactions,
I wonder if some people just get kicks out of behaving like this? :'(
I was tempted to report to the police, but I was concentrating too much on staying safe to get his reg no, so I doubt it's much point.
I know the road you mention, the heading is right, some drivers do need a GOOD slap.
>:( >:(
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Having recently done 2300 miles in europe and in comparison it's quite an eye opener how discourteous drivers are in this country.
Driving down through France was a total breeze. OK. They have very little traffic on their motorways so probably a bad example. Italy generally had heavy traffic with a lot of lorries on the roads I was on. Even still, people were, on the whole, in the correct lane. Most followed too close for my liking but that's another issue. They pulled over when you came up behind them.
Austria and Switzerland were fine too.
I found Belgium pretty much like here, and Germany was interesting, to say the least.
The main factor I can dig from this is that when the speed limit is 130 KPH (just over 80 MPH) and enforcement is not as anal as over here, a cruising speed that satisfies everyone is within the law and the range of speeds is much less. There are slow vehicles doing 55-60 and everyone else cruises at around 80-85.
Here we have drivers who want to cruise at 90+, drivers who see 80 as a bit naughtly but unlikely to get them into trouble, those who stick religiously to the speed limit through "speed kills" brainwashing and won't break the limit even if they end up driving parallel to the vehicle they are trying to overtake and caravans, lorries, etc. that cruise around the 55-60 mark. I even often come across car drivers who cruise slower than lorries, forcing them to overtake ::)
It all went horribly wrong in germany again for the same reason. One lane is taken up by lorries and moves at 55. The other lane is a mixture of vehicles who want to travel anywhere from 60 MPH to <insert maximum speed of S class merc>. One nice thing was that lorries are banned from the overtaking lane on 2 lane dual carriageways / motorways, ending the practice of "snail racing". When will they do that here?
Belgium has a speed limit of 120 KPH and I think this explains the fact that it was much like home.
Anyway, that's my theory. About time we upped the limit to 80 perhaps - not that the "speed kills" lobby would entertain that for a minute.
Kevin
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One nice thing was that lorries are banned from the overtaking lane on 2 lane dual carriageways / motorways, ending the practice of "snail racing". When will they do that here? ........
[size=20]As soon as bl00dy possible![/size] The number of HGV's (or whatever they call 'emselves these days) that insist on trying to pass each other when they haven't a cat in hell's chance of getting passed of doing so really does pi$$ me off, eg M62 between jcts 22 & 23 up t'hill t' Yorkshire you get 3 lanes of HGV's with a differential speed of about half a mile per hour . When towing I'm legally allowed to go faster, but just not in lane 3.
.............. and breathe! :y :y
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Just send him here. >:(
Nearly everyday I have those around me..
I know good practices..
Never overtake those stay behind..And show cat mouse game..(sorry but this game is played little close)
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One nice thing was that lorries are banned from the overtaking lane on 2 lane dual carriageways / motorways, ending the practice of "snail racing". When will they do that here? ........
[size=20]As soon as bl00dy possible![/size] The number of HGV's (or whatever they call 'emselves these days) that insist on trying to pass each other when they haven't a cat in hell's chance of getting passed of doing so really does pi$$ me off, eg M62 between jcts 22 & 23 up t'hill t' Yorkshire you get 3 lanes of HGV's with a differential speed of about half a mile per hour . When towing I'm legally allowed to go faster, but just not in lane 3.
.............. and breathe! :y :y
Hmm, a lack of understanding of driving lorries methinks :-X
*TheBoy ducks* ;D
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I was on my way back from sidmouth last weekend on the 303 when some prat did the same thing but in a citreon C4 thing. The thing he did (with kids sat in the back seat) was every time we got to a deul carriagway he would pull strait back out into the outside lane with no indication just to stop me from passing. After he had done this and blocked me from overtaking for a few differant occations i had had enough so dropped back for a stupid run up ( i know i should'nt of done this but at the time enough was enough and he had hit the brakes when ever i was behind him) so back on track with a full belt of the go peddle down and the s button pressed i went for it with the full beam and spots on. This time i think he knew that enough was enough and got strait out the way.
I would never normally drive like this and have never driven like this on the road or on track but he got my back up big time.Rant over.
>:( >:(
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I was on my way back from sidmouth last weekend on the 303 when some prat did the same thing but in a citreon C4 thing. The thing he did (with kids sat in the back seat) was every time we got to a deul carriagway he would pull strait back out into the outside lane with no indication just to stop me from passing. After he had done this and blocked me from overtaking for a few differant occations i had had enough so dropped back for a stupid run up ( i know i should'nt of done this but at the time enough was enough and he had hit the brakes when ever i was behind him) so back on track with a full belt of the go peddle down and the s button pressed i went for it with the full beam and spots on. This time i think he knew that enough was enough and got strait out the way.
I would never normally drive like this and have never driven like this on the road or on track but he got my back up big time.Rant over.
>:( >:(
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Do it with a caravan on - I have!
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Well the camping gear was in the boot so would that count lol
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Problem is, you see, do anything illegal yourself, and then you have no grounds for complaint yourself ...
I was actually very impressed with my own self control, not getting wound up by this daftie 8-)
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Problem is, you see, do anything illegal yourself, and then you have no grounds for complaint yourself ...
I was actually very impressed with my own self control, not getting wound up by this daftie 8-)
I'd have dropped him in it.
I have to admit that when on the motorway I have to undertake the occasional MLOC when towing, did it once about 2 miles from the Woolacombe turn off - Police appeared half way through - they were not bothered
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Hmm, a lack of understanding of driving lorries methinks :-X
*TheBoy ducks* ;D
I could start on a rant but ..... 1 .... 2 .... 3 .....
Which bit about arrogant, ignorant, might has right and I'll pull out on you regardless, am I not understanding? ;) ;) ;)
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Problem is, you see, do anything illegal yourself, and then you have no grounds for complaint yourself ...
I was actually very impressed with my own self control, not getting wound up by this daftie 8-)
I'm 41 but I must admit I cant stop myself.. ;D
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Problem is, you see, do anything illegal yourself, and then you have no grounds for complaint yourself ...
I was actually very impressed with my own self control, not getting wound up by this daftie 8-)
Screw em.... if the lane's available I'm going to use it. I don't see why I should be delayed because some self-righteous oppstard feels too proud to use the left hand lane. You don't get this problem of middle lane morons etc in the US, as people just use whatever lane is free. Granted it does become pretty hectic when you have 7 lanes in each direction, but that just discourages all the incompetent idiots from using the freeways in the first place :D
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Just a thought ... what is "undertaking" ?
IMHO it is the deliberate movement from an outside lane to the inside lane to pass then moving back to the outside lane.
Now if I am already in the inside lane and I continue in that lane but pass a slower vehicle on my right I have not "undertaken", as the Highway Code, if I remember correctly, specificaly states that it is permissible for vehicles to pass under conditions where those outer lanes are moving slower - ok it is generally for traffic jams - unfortunately I can't check this as the site is down .. new Highway Code tomorrow.
I have done this several times whilst towing, as I sit left at 60-65 and it is the only way of passing the centre lane idiot doing 50 as I'm not allowed in lane 3
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/DG_070700
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Hmm, a lack of understanding of driving lorries methinks :-X
*TheBoy ducks* ;D
I could start on a rant but ..... 1 .... 2 .... 3 .....
Which bit about arrogant, ignorant, might has right and I'll pull out on you regardless, am I not understanding? ;) ;) ;)
My opinion is that speed limiters on HGVs should be brought into the modern age. If they could detect HGVs ahead which are running on the limiter using some sort of radio system they could react to reduce the closing speed to nothing by the time they are a safe distance ahead. Result - no overtaking unless the HGV in front has dropped below the governed maximum speed by a margin that would allow a reasonably quick overtake.
It's not as if they gain anything by driving at an extra 0.25 MPH for a minute or two.
Kevin
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Hmm, a lack of understanding of driving lorries methinks :-X
*TheBoy ducks* ;D
I could start on a rant but ..... 1 .... 2 .... 3 .....
Which bit about arrogant, ignorant, might has right and I'll pull out on you regardless, am I not understanding? ;) ;) ;)
My opinion is that speed limiters on HGVs should be brought into the modern age. If they could detect HGVs ahead which are running on the limiter using some sort of radio system they could react to reduce the closing speed to nothing by the time they are a safe distance ahead. Result - no overtaking unless the HGV in front has dropped below the governed maximum speed by a margin that would allow a reasonably quick overtake.
It's not as if they gain anything by driving at an extra 0.25 MPH for a minute or two.
Kevin
They'd probably take the fuse out of that too! :o
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Just a thought ... what is "undertaking" ?
IMHO it is the deliberate movement from an outside lane to the inside lane to pass then moving back to the outside lane.
Now if I am already in the inside lane and I continue in that lane but pass a slower vehicle on my right I have not "undertaken", as the Highway Code, if I remember correctly, specificaly states that it is permissible for vehicles to pass under conditions where those outer lanes are moving slower - ok it is generally for traffic jams - unfortunately I can't check this as the site is down .. new Highway Code tomorrow.
I have done this several times whilst towing, as I sit left at 60-65 and it is the only way of passing the centre lane idiot doing 50 as I'm not allowed in lane 3
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/DG_070700
:)
That is what I do
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in Europe i found the banning of trucks from overtaking great :)
Meant a much faster flow on the motorway, however joining the motorway was harder, the convoy of trucks seam to drop to around 45/50 mph...
With the cars in late 2 doing 70+ in a constant stream. It was hard to break into that flow...