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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 12:47:20

Title: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 12:47:20
Here is the story for my jumpy idle problem...(when engine is hot)

1.Breathers cleaned (many times)
2.ICV cleaned (many times)
3.Egr blocked

4.ICV changed.
5.CTS changed
6.Throttle potentiometer changed
7.Lambda (O2) sensors changed ......Yess..Problem finito..
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: Dazzler on 21 September 2007, 14:24:26
Well done for finding the problem. As with alot of faults you have to illiminate things first in a kind of order unless you are lucky enough to have someone who can do a proper diagnosis with a Tech 2 or similar. In your case i guess your fault would have been found out that way. Good job matey :y
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 September 2007, 14:42:39
Interesting. Normally would have discounted Lambda sensors at idle but clearly it idles in closed-loop when warmed up.

Glad it's sorted anyway.

Kevin
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 15:11:11
Hi,
in this story EML never light on..We used many times tech 2 ...As there was no code stored it wasnt helpful..

But the idle really made me crazy...
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: Dazzler on 21 September 2007, 15:32:26
Tech2 would have showed the flutuating signal from the lamdas if you had used that part of it ;)
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 15:38:15
Yes we checked..Seems to be normal here ..Voltage was going from minus to plus...But possibly was not fast enough..Anyway neither me and the mechanics was not enough good for using tech 2..
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: Dazzler on 21 September 2007, 15:44:45
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Yes we checked..Seems to be normal here ..Voltage was going from minus to plus...But possibly was not fast enough..Anyway neither me and the mechanics was not enough good for using tech 2..
No worries, you got it sorted. Thats all that matters ;)
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: magnul on 21 September 2007, 15:44:47
The voltage should fluctuate from +0.1ish to 0.9ish, not minus to plus
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 15:50:25
This means also I must change my glasses :)
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 15:54:12
Also I must admit that I see too many nightmares..We checked the cambelt position..We checked the alternator for voltage etc..
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 20:24:19
This text will be helpful for curious cats like me !

 ::)

http://www.lambdapower.co.uk/TechNotes/Tech-3.asp


Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: JasonH on 21 September 2007, 21:52:01
What exactly were the symptoms?

My car isn't quite as smooth when the engine is really hot.
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 September 2007, 23:28:36
Hi,

symptoms were :

when engine is cold normal idle
but after a while when the temp reach 90-92 region
waiting the traffic lights the idle become jumpy and car start shaking go between 400 to 800-900

Also I must note that this idle problem become more apparent after thermostat and CTS change.Because mostly car is used from home to job and job to home short journeys..And engine become hot very late..And I tought this idle was normal   :-[    

(possibly ECU was going with self mind without the sensors and more happy  :) )
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 September 2007, 23:38:45
Sounds like the sensors were responding a bit slowly (maybe due to knackered heaters) causing a much wider variation of mixture than normal.

Kevin
Title: Re: finally idle problem solved..
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 22 September 2007, 00:23:02
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Sounds like the sensors were responding a bit slowly (maybe due to knackered heaters) causing a much wider variation of mixture than normal.

Kevin


Yes. heaters are really suspect..

When I read the technical explanations also there was something important..These sensors are really sensitive to anti freeze which means when you loose the head gasket you need to buy also 2 new lambda sensors.. :o