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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: HI2DVY on 17 October 2007, 12:41:50
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To say I was pi55ed off would be an understatement.
Went out this morning to do a "quick" oil and filter change on my 2.6 V6. I've only had the car a few weeks so this was the first time I'd done it on this one. I've changed the oil several times on the 2.5 so I didnt expect any problems. All was going well until I tried to get the filter housing off. Now these things are only supposed to be torqued to wither 15 or 25 Nm - depending on whather you believe the can itself or the TIS. However this one is rock solid.
There isnt much room for leverage with a ratchet but even so that didnt budge it. I finally got a breaker bar onto it but it still wont move and to make matters worse the oil filter housing has now split with the force I have applied and oil is pi55ing out everywhere... but still it wont come off! >:(
Any suggestions??
Dave
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Anybody know what is the correct size socket to remove the filter housing?
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Is this the paper element type which you take the lid off to get too?
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Yes. Its just the lid I need off but it wont budge.
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28 rings a bell but not 100%. JamesV6 said that his had a square cut into the hex so a 3/8 ratchet would slot directly on.
I think you can take off the whole housing off which is what it sounds like you are going to have to do and fit a complete new part. MDTM has had to do this on one of his cars so he should be able to advise you better!
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Ive been using a 3/8 ratchet in the sqaure hole to try to get this cover off but I think that's what caused it to crack. Think I'll need the proper socket to get it off.
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Yep, a 3/8 ratchet will fit the hole in the end, but it's not going to give you anything like enough torque to help. Don't know about the socket size needed. Sorry. What a pain!
Kevin
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Yep, a 3/8 ratchet will fit the hole in the end, but it's not going to give you anything like enough torque to help. Don't know about the socket size needed. Sorry. What a pain!
Kevin
Not on mine - the square isn't on mine, wouldn't mind getting a lid that has though as it'd be a dam site easier to get just the wrench in the gap!
There was some talk a while ago about VX doing an adapter plate to allow a standard spin on filter to fit, not sure if a part number ever came to light.
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I'm sure i used a 24mm ring spanner last...
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24.... that rings a bell too!!!
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what a pain - why ever did they do away with the simple spin on ones?
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It could well be a 24. I don't have one!
Tried a 1" but its just slightly too large and started to slip. So its time for a trip to the tool shop for a 24mm socket. Wonder what else I'll see when I'm in there. This could be expensive!
Thanks for your help guys :y
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what a pain - why ever did they do away with the simple spin on ones?
I find the new sytle filter OK. Done a few oil changes on mine and it has been less hassle than a screw on filter TBH. I wish I could find a position in which I can unscrew it without oil dribbling down my arm.
I think it's probably either leaving them untouched for 20,000 miles - in accordance with the manufacturer's service schedule, or someone having done them up bu66er tight when it says 15nm on the lid that kills them. Put a socket head on something and the average main dealer technician will go looking for a breaker bar to nip it up with ::)
It winds me up that the filters cost more than the conventional metal ones despite lacking the metal casing though.
Kevin
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Definitely a 24mm socket. Been and bought one. Still needed to lie on my back with both feet on the breaker bar before the barsteward would move though.
Unbelievably, the dealers had a replacement housing cover in stock!! So 2.6 meega back on the road!
Thanks for the advice guys :y
Dave
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Great News! :y
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Definitely a 24mm socket. Been and bought one. Still needed to lie on my back with both feet on the breaker bar before the barsteward would move though.
:D Bit of gentle persuasion always does the trick...
Unbelievably, the dealers had a replacement housing cover in stock!! So 2.6 meega back on the road!
Thanks for the advice guys :y
Dave
Nice one... job jobbed. How much was the part? :D
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Definitely a 24mm socket. Been and bought one. Still needed to lie on my back with both feet on the breaker bar before the barsteward would move though.
Unbelievably, the dealers had a replacement housing cover in stock!! So 2.6 meega back on the road!
Thanks for the advice guys :y
Dave
Just as a matter of interest, how much did it cost?
It is possible to convert to a "normal" cannister type filter, I intend to do a How2 on my next oil change :y
Roland
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When I first did mine we ended up with a breaker bar and piece of scaff tube on the socket and a chain filter wrench wrapped around the housing. Luckily I was using a mates pit so access was easy.
Obviously the last mechanic was illiterate as the torque setting is cast in the lid.
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Obviously the last mechanic was illiterate as the torque setting is cast in the lid.
Ah! That's a torque setting! .... not the length of the scaffolding pipe in feet!!?? ;D
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Obviously the last mechanic was illiterate as the torque setting is cast in the lid.
Ah! That's a torque setting! .... not the length of the scaffolding pipe in feet!!?? ;D
You would have thought so if you'd seen us taking mine off, after the housing started to undo its mounting nut.
Got torqued back on rather carefully I can assure you.
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had this on my second omega, some muppet did the lid up F.T. - so the whole assembly unscrewed when trying to remove the lid. At the time I didn't have a strap wrench to counterhold the casing, so I ended up turning it whilst pulling down on it at the same time. Eventually this unwound the hollow bolt that secures the back of the casing to the block. Removing the lid from the casing then required use of a vice and 2 foot breaker bar - even then it needed a bit of persuasion!
Fortunately after replacing the housing (torque the hollow bolt to 45Nm), refitting the filter and tightening the lid to the correct 15Nm torque, on the next oil change it came off easy peasy :y
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As has been said before, tightening it to silly torques doesn't actually have any bearing on how oil tight it makes the casing anyway.
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For info... Part was £17.50 plus Vat.
By the way, the "square" hole that takes the 3/8 ratchet now has rounded corners so the ratchet no longer fits - glad I got the 24mm socket!
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For info... Part was £17.50 plus Vat.
By the way, the "square" hole that takes the 3/8 ratchet now has rounded corners so the ratchet no longer fits - glad I got the 24mm socket!
Perhaps that's why mine hasn't got it, perhaps having the square cut out of the hex makes it weaker?
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For info... Part was £17.50 plus Vat.
By the way, the "square" hole that takes the 3/8 ratchet now has rounded corners so the ratchet no longer fits - glad I got the 24mm socket!
Perhaps that's why mine hasn't got it, perhaps having the square cut out of the hex makes it weaker?
Some French cars have a very similar cutout in the sump bung - perhaps the same tool (comes in different sizes) will fit... though I'd prefer to use a hex, far less likely to fracture, even on non-French plastic... ;)
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you can buy 'sump plug spanners' which I think are the square type. Maybe that would fit..
Having read this thread I'm glad that for now both my cars have old tech, cheaper, spin on filters :)
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Definitely a 24mm socket. Been and bought one. Still needed to lie on my back with both feet on the breaker bar before the barsteward would move though.
Unbelievably, the dealers had a replacement housing cover in stock!! So 2.6 meega back on the road!
Thanks for the advice guys :y
Dave
Yep, sounds familiar, I had to get a 24mm socket and a breaker bar from Halsfords before I could complete my first DIy filter change following years on Vx main dealer service and a book full of stamps...